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Maybe I am reading this wrong but you don’t think this offense as a whole grows? With Goff maturing and McVay growing as a Coach don’t you think the pie has a chance to get bigger? I will also admit I am not a Watkins guy so I don’t see him as the threat many others do but I obviously see how that scenario can occur...
Yes I think the overall offense does improve, in particular the passing game.
Jared CookBiabreakable said:
I like Everett, I think he is still coming along though. Higbee is a potential hurdle. My main fear for any LAR pass catcher is that it will be Gurley and then evenly distributed among the other pass catchers until someone starts to stand out.Magic_Man said:
he seems pretty worthless to me. he's been around long enough to know he is what he is - a guy that will always show some flashes but ultimately be a disappointment.
I hate owning Jared Cook...there is no rhyme or reason as to when he will have a good week..last year he had 7 weeks with 25 yards or less...he had a combined reception total of 14 for those 7 weeks...it's one thing if he is a youngster and trending upwards but he is 30 and as you say we know what he is...
I think he is a buy, was learning the system this year, they and Ben seem to like him and I think playoff game is sign of things to come. I think he will be a slightly better Heath Miller which is not bad in PPR, esp TE premium
A slightly better Heath Miller? Miller had 6 seasons with 50+ catches...McDonald is 27 and has a career total of 78 in 5 years...that would be a huge leap...
yes but he was in SF that doesn't count for me, they are unable to use the TE properly. Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker put up pedestrian numbers in SF as well
Davis had 5 seasons with over 50 receptions, 4 with over 700 yards and 5 with 5 or more TDs...he had production there...agreed about Walker but he was playing behind Davis who they used a high pick on so he was kind of buried there...
He played with Kaepernick and Gabbert at QB. I don’t think those years (2013-2016) were really representative of his potential talent.
Agreed...he is an odd one...he played for San Fran for 7 years and never had more than 30 receptions...he goes to Tennessee at age 29 and goes on to have 5 quality years...gotta give the Titans credit IDing him...
Ah. I agree with Dr. O on this one. Cook is fools gold. You will always be chasing points and mostly be disappointed.
I agree but did target him for Gronk's bye as they were playing the Dolphins who seemed to be very weak against TE's and it paid off.
I paid a late 2nd last year and would pay that now. Too much uncertainty to want to pay more. I would sell for a mid 2nd.
If you can figure out when is the right time to play him, more power to you.
I would sell.
Personally, I'd have snap accepted that trade. IMO, Barkley will be an immediate upgrade from Freeman and he's 5 years younger. Adams is definitely worth more than the 1.12 but that delta isn't as big as the one between Barkley and Freeman. During the draft, you may be able to move the 1.12 for a veteran that could help offset the loss of Adams. I've seen players like Alshon (3 years older than Adams) go for around that much and that's before rookie fever sets in. The 1.12 will hold more value leading up to and during your rookie draft.
That's really tough. I'm not a Cobb fan, but if you think he'll be back in GB then he's easily worth more than a mid-2nd in ppr. He only played 4 games with Rodgers last year but IIRC he was on pace for like 90/900 in those games. Unless you are confident you can flip that mid-2nd for some proven talent, it's going to be a dart throw so it doesn't hold much value. So I guess it comes down to team need (if Cobb is gathering dust on your bench, might as well get something for him) and your confidence he's back with GB.
You may as well make the offer to the holder of pick one.
I'm non-ppr in the league where I own Gordon so YMMV but I think Gordon is worth more to me as an actual starting RB (he's my RB2 which is nice) and I don't think I would even get top 10 RB value for him. If you can though more power to you!
That’s the thing - you have a prime aged RB who’s put up RB1 numbers the last two years (when he’s played), but nobody wants to pay for that. I’ve shopped him around in my 0.5ppr and haven’t gotten any bites. It appears people want to give RB2 prices for him. He’s my RB2, so I’d rather just hold on than sell him cheap. I have a feeling that’s the story in most leagues unless you can find someone who thinks he’s about to fall into oblivion (knee, sub-4ypc, etc) and wants out at any price.tkrull said:
Personally don't think Evans and Adams are that close.. That said I'd prolly still reject as I don't have any interest in Collins or Dixon.
Now he tries Collins & Dixon for my Goff. Still no. I'm wondering if offering my 1.14 is too much to offer for Collins.(We have a developmental draft before rookie draft so the top rookie prospects are already spoken for aka the 1.14 pick is diluted & I also own the 1.13.)
There's enough of a delta between Evans and Adams that I would probably make that trade after the draft if Collins/Dixon survive the draft (assuming Baltimore signs Collins in free agency). If Baltimore takes a rookie in the first 3 rounds, Collins and Dixon lose almost all their value. On offense, Baltimore really needs to focus on OL and WR, so there's a chance they don't spend heavily or draft RB, but to make that trade, I'd need to be sure.
Right. Evans > Gronk ~= Adams > Collins/Dixon.
Collins is an exclusive rights free agent which basically means he either plays for Baltimore or no one at all, and I assume they will offer him a contract at that level. I agree with your take, I think the end of the line may be near for Gronk so I see it as a fair offer. While if I had to bet, Gronk probably does play this season, I do think the retirement talk is more than just talk. With his physical style and the way TEs generally age his time will come sooner than expected.
Good point about the ERFA. I thought I remembered it being a given that he'd be back, but I couldn't remember the details which is why I just made the assumption.
To feel comfortable doing it today, I'd want him to toss in Hunter Henry. I only have J. Cook & Everett left at TE. This is PPR.
Henry is not a "toss in" type of player. I rank him at TE5 in dynasty at this time. I could see Evans and Hunter (plus a little something maybe) for Gronk and Adams getting done.
Hunters hardly a toss in. Gronk and Adams for Evans and Henry seems like a pretty even deal and one I’d do.
He’s not adding Henry unless he’s not good at this. He’ll, id take Evans and Henry alone over Gronk and Adams.Don't take it so literally, geez. Should I say "add" instead then?
That has the same effect - my point is that no one is going to add Hunter to that deal. You couldn't expect the Baltimore RBs in that case, but maybe you would or should be fine with that.Don't take it so literally, geez. Should I say "add" instead then?
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I tossed in McGuire to start so we'll see what he says.
You can try but in my experience when you get greedy you either piss the other guy off or you give him time to re-evaluate, ask others, may even read this board and he decides he doesn’t want to do the deal at all.
The Dynasty trade thread shows us that there are plenty of bad trades made so I guess it's possible. I'm a Jets fan - while I think he could be serviceable if given a starting RB's workload personally he would not move the needle for me. Powell will still be there and he's a much better all around RB and I think it's highly possible the Jets use one of their second round picks on a RB.
I think we sometimes get caught up in rankings & perceived value, though. Adams clearly out produced Evans last season & now with Cobb or Jordy likely gone he may even get better. I'm not saying I'd rather have one or the other, just saying that it's a real possibility Adams ends up the better fantasy player once again, Especially if Winston doesn't turn it around.
