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Just stop it. Lets get to .500 first.BTW! This team can win the Super Bowl! They look great tonight! We finally got a win, and the Jets got a loss, for this week we're the best team in the city!
Just stop it. Lets get to .500 first.BTW! This team can win the Super Bowl! They look great tonight! We finally got a win, and the Jets got a loss, for this week we're the best team in the city!
I saw something on twitter from Collingsworth stating that Flowers has been pretty good this season per the PFF grading system, something like a top 13 LT (don't really remember the number)IrishTwinkie said:I've given up trying to predict the outcome this year. Maybe I'll just try for the reverse jinx. Was expecting the Giants to get lit up this week. I was stunned pretty much the enitre game.
Why did it take soooo long for McAdont to delegate the play calling. It was a long time coming and what a breath of fresh air. No stupid 50 yard pass plays on 3-1, everything was contained and on point. Hell, they actually ran the ball when they were trying to kill clock. The Oline actually looked good at times, and that stunningly even includes Flowers. A shame it took this long into the season.
If you would have told me they'd look like chumps vs the Chargers but like a real functioning dangerous team vs the Broncos I would have laughed at you.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/ereck-flowers/9442I saw something on twitter from Collingsworth stating that Flowers has been pretty good this season per the PFF grading system, something like a top 13 LT (don't really remember the number)
Here is the tweet.
Find this unbelievable. This might be one of those rare times when the stats lie.Here is the tweet.
https://twitter.com/CollinsworthPFF/status/918210434938884096
They said since week 1 he is the 13th rated tackle in pass protection
That's.. a little misleading because the Giants started mass changes to fix the line starting Week 4. More Brett Jones (due to injury), more DJ Fluker, and shifting Pugh everywhere. Like I mentioned in the NYG@DEN game thread, having Flowers and Jerry on 1 side allows them to send the help on that side. They have enough confidence in Jones (Richburg when he comes back)/Fluker/Pugh that they won't get roadgrazed, and in turn Flowers is steadily improving.Here is the tweet.
https://twitter.com/CollinsworthPFF/status/918210434938884096
They said since week 1 he is the 13th rated tackle in pass protection
Basically if you're an Evan Engram owner, you are loving this.That move away from McAdoo’s favored ‘11’ personnel, three wide receivers and one running back, to ‘12’ personnel, two tight ends, two wide receivers and one running back, is striking.
Considering the losses of Odell Beckham Jr., Sterling Shepard, Brandon Marshall and Dwayne Harris at wide receiver it may have happened even with McAdoo calling the plays. If you believe the head coach had nothing to do with the game plan and hadn’t signed off on, or perhaps even suggested, the change in approach you’re fooling yourself.
The change allows the Giants to get Rhett Ellison (35 snaps, 64.8 percent of the offensive plays) on the field more often. That helps the run game, helps the Giants protect the edges in the passing game and allows them the freedom to get Evan Engram in the slot or out wide on occasion.
Even when Shepard returns from his ankle injury, which might happen this week against the Seattle Seahawks, a reliance on ‘12’ personnel could still be the Giants best option. It allows them to get Ellison’s blocking and experience on the field more often and provides the ability to be less predictable in how they employ Engram, their best remaining weapon in the passing game.
I mean... Giants fans kinda knew this but to hear it like this. McAdoo gotta go and Reese right behind him.Multiple players told ESPN's Josina Anderson the team has given up on coach Ben McAdoo.
"Guys are giving up on the season, just don't care anymore. McAdoo has lost this team...Throws us under the bus all the time. Runs us into the ground and people wonder why we’ve been getting got." This comes after speculation players quit on McAdoo during Sunday’s 51-17 loss to the Rams. McAdoo was forced to give up playcalling after Week 6 and has been criticized for suspending Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Janoris Jenkins. Despite being a year removed from the playoffs, the Giants have been a 2017 disaster and could be forced to make changes after the season.
Okay, worse coach: Handley or McAdoo?McGarnicle said:Worst Giants team in my 30 years watching, so it's been a good run. For Browns fans this is how things are all the time. Hopefully they bring in some quality personnel after cleaning house and we can climb the mountain again. I would love to see them deal Eli and get a top QB in the draft. That's never a sure thing but it's guaranteed mediocrity if you don't try.
He is a hell of a QB and it will be difficult to replace him. I sure wish he had more of a touch on short passes to his RBs. Seems he's always throwing at their feet.Will the Giants D please decide if they are quitting on the season in advance or do they want to play? That KC game was the perfect example of why I thought there was no way they finish 1-15/3-13 like some people have thrown around: when healthy and when they give a s*it their secondary/front 4 are too good. Eli did JUST ENOUGH what he used to be great at; making marginal talent around him look awesome given time. Darkwa ran hard and with purpose behind a suddenly effective enough Run Blocking line. RLJr. and Tavarres King flashed their talent, as did Travis Rudolph. And WELCOME BACK TO THE NFL Janoris Jenkins, you can't tell me did didn't mail it @SF after the effort he showed this week.
Disagree with this ... Eli will be fairly easy to replace. The terrible throws to his RBs are inexcusable ... I watched college QBs making much much better throws to their RBs all weekend. Eli does not throw a good ball, does not extend plays and is not athletic enough to overcome his weaknesses. He barely completed 50% of his passes this week and barely threw for 200 yards with 0 TDs ... His WRs also made some pretty incredible catches to boost those #s. Not sure why the all of sudden Eli luv ... it's time to find his replacement.He is a hell of a QB and it will be difficult to replace him. I sure wish he had more of a touch on short passes to his RBs. Seems he's always throwing at their feet.
Tankathon. They cannot afford to win anymore after that blunder. There's only so many seats at the table and they are at seat 3. The top 4 are all QB needy right now unless Garropolo is the answer....which they don't even know for sure.What the F were they even thinking? They're blowing their chance at a good draft pick, and to potentially set up the franchise for years into the future, to win a dumb meaningless game in a year they're not going anywhere. Awful.
You'll see when Eli retires how good he really was. Yes, he overthrows people and has difficulty with short passes, but he also makes some excellent middle-length passes and has a knack for getting out of potential sacks (surprising considering what looks like lumbering movements).Disagree with this ... Eli will be fairly easy to replace. The terrible throws to his RBs are inexcusable ... I watched college QBs making much much better throws to their RBs all weekend. Eli does not throw a good ball, does not extend plays and is not athletic enough to overcome his weaknesses. He barely completed 50% of his passes this week and barely threw for 200 yards with 0 TDs ... His WRs also made some pretty incredible catches to boost those #s. Not sure why the all of sudden Eli luv ... it's time to find his replacement.
I also dont get the Janoris Jenkins hate ... this hole team quit last week including Collins, Apple (as usual), and Castillas (who is just a horrible player) but Jenkins was the scape goat for some reason.
Wheeler looked pretty damn good at RT ... he had a couple of crushing blocks on the TD drive including the Darkwa TD run
I also was hoping they would lose the game in OT. With all the abuse the Giants D (on lack of effort) received over the week, it was nice to see the D bring it.What the F were they even thinking? They're blowing their chance at a good draft pick, and to potentially set up the franchise for years into the future, to win a dumb meaningless game in a year they're not going anywhere. Awful.
Walking Boot said:What the F were they even thinking? They're blowing their chance at a good draft pick, and to potentially set up the franchise for years into the future, to win a dumb meaningless game in a year they're not going anywhere. Awful.
Not saying Jenkins wasn't dogging it ... But Collins was missing tackles and getting roasted deep regularly, The Captain (what a joke that is) Castillas basically jogged along side of a player before deciding it wasn't worth the effort to try to tackle him, Eli Apple hasn't made a decent effort this season, and Eli manning until yesterday looked like had had retired.You'll see when Eli retires how good he really was. Yes, he overthrows people and has difficulty with short passes, but he also makes some excellent middle-length passes and has a knack for getting out of potential sacks (surprising considering what looks like lumbering movements).
As to the Jenkins hate, not sure you saw the prior game, but it was pretty evident that his effort level was very low. He can argue it was just a "bad game", but it was him not giving a ####.
Agree that Wheeler was a pleasant surprise. The Giants game planned well with support from TEs on his side.
Eli Apple's effort isn't an issue... he's just been flat out BAD. The situation with his mom has played a factor also.Not saying Jenkins wasn't dogging it ... But Collins was missing tackles and getting roasted deep regularly, The Captain (what a joke that is) Castillas basically jogged along side of a player before deciding it wasn't worth the effort to try to tackle him, Eli Apple hasn't made a decent effort this season, and Eli manning until yesterday looked like had had retired.
In the beginning of the season Jenkins was rock solid ... he kicked Dez's ### 1 on 1 and was their best corner for most of the season.
Benched for Geno!?!?!Benched? Really? That's how Eli's streak goes down?
How is McAdoo not already fired?
YOU ARE F*CKING SH*TTING ME. Eli being class all the way, didn't want to continue his streak getting ceremonial starts and just asked to be benched outright. McAddo and Reese need to be fired.The Giants have benched Eli Manning for Week 13.
Stunningly, hilariously, bafflingly, they are turning to Geno Smith. Third-rounder Davis Webb will also be given playing time down the stretch of the Giants' lost season. The team apparently gave Manning the option of starting Sunday's game before giving away to Smith, but he declined. Manning has made 210 consecutive starts, the second longest streak in NFL history behind only Brett Favre's 297. The streak started on Nov. 21, 2004. We can't pretend Manning has been great this season, but he's also been the least of the Giants' massive problems. The defense has regressed, the receiver corps has been hollowed out by injury and the running game is close to nonexistent. Manning probably deserved the right to play out the season. It's also embarrassing Manning has been benched for Smith, a proven failed option at quarterback. Webb at least offers unknown, theoretical upside. One month shy of his 37th birthday, Manning will be playing elsewhere if he continues his career in 2018.
That's a clown comment, bro. Dude is ticketed to the HoF and made the most of a team with no O-Line to speak of, a terrible GM the last 2 years and outside of OBJr., inconsistent WR play. Whatever issues you had with him, he isn't the reason the Giants have failed the last 2 seasons. If you don't like him because you don't like him, that's your business. But to hope he doesn't play again is something even a rival team wouldn't wish on the opposition's player.I hope he never plays again. Good riddance.
It sounds like they want Webb to get starters' reps in practice for a week or two, then turn to him. This smells like a McAdoo move, I don't see Reese doing this in a lame duck year.Geno Smith has been named the Giants' starting quarterback for Week 13 against the Raiders.
This is not a drill. Eli Manning has been benched after 210 consecutive starts. The owner of a career 72.3 QB rating, Smith is a turnover machine like few in recent memory. He is returning to the fold in a golden matchup with the Raiders' barely-there defense. There's close to zero reason to believe Smith has any untapped upside, but perhaps coach Ben McAdoo wants to give Webb a week or two to mentally prepare. Webb was never overly impressive at Texas Tech or Cal, but is a plus athlete. He struggled with ball placement, something that's going to be an issue in the Giants' talent-less offense. Although this move signals the G-Men are moving on from Manning after the season, we wouldn't consider Webb a particularly strong candidate to be the 2018 starter.
Life long Giants fan here as well. I get your point re Geno, but i presume the same thing would be occurring if it were for Webb, and Eli's response would be the same.Life long Giants fan who loves Eli Manning and always will. I get he has his haters. That's fine. To each his own. I love the guy.
This stinks 10 ways from Sunday. For Davis I could see, but Geno? This is a joke. I will just consider my real football season over, wait until they fire everyone here from the top down, and come back next training camp.
I would be disappointed if it was Webb, but not pissed. Eli's response would be the same. My team's GM and head coach are seriously trying to tell me that they want to see what they have in Geno Smith.Life long Giants fan here as well. I get your point re Geno, but i presume the same thing would be occurring if it were for Webb, and Eli's response would be the same.
Do you blame the team for saying they were going to mix in the younger guys?
You and me both.This saddens me greatly. I would have preferred that Eli had been traded to the Jaguars earlier this year
As one related point, isn't it a bit ironic that Eli was "mixed in" as a rookie to replace Warner on a winning team?I would be disappointed if it was Webb, but not pissed. Eli's response would be the same. My team's GM and head coach are seriously trying to tell me that they want to see what they have in Geno Smith.
That sentence irks me more than almost any other sentence you could write. About any topic. I mean, look, I'll try....
Donald Trump is smart....... nope the Geno thing is worse.
Gal Gadot won't take your calls....... Geno still worse.
Joe Bryant sold footballguys to Otis.......... well........ nope, no, Geno still worse.
Eli Manning deserves better than these Giants. Jerry Reese runs the franchise into the ground and now embarrasses an all-time franchise great with "we need to evaluate." Clean house.
Dan Graziano, ESPN Staff Writer
True. Fair. Counterpoint....As one related point, isn't it a bit ironic that Eli was "mixed in" as a rookie to replace Warner on a winning team?
I cannot believe that is true. Ownership was literally built due to Eli Manning... It's one thing for McAdoo/Reese, but Mara family? I can't believe that.This feels a bit like when the Mets traded away Seaver. I can't believe ownership is supporting this move.
One of the most classless things I can remember. It's an ugly business, but this is bad for even the NFL. Awful people in charge up there.Insein said:Benched? Really? That's how Eli's streak goes down?
How is McAdoo not already fired?
I don't say this often, but Mike said perfectly how everyone is feeling about this. I'm blown away by it. Insult of all insults. I'd be embarrassed as a Giants fan. Wrong on so many levels. DisgustingFaust said:
Just read McAdoo's statement. He said it was discussed with ownership. You would expect that ownership would be involved in such a decision, but this franchise has alway had a reputation for class and stability. This runs counter to both of those.The Frankman said:I cannot believe that is true. Ownership was literally built due to Eli Manning... It's one thing for McAdoo/Reese, but Mara family? I can't believe that.