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Edit: Thank god Haskins wasn't the pick.All gonna depend on the team they put around him. The 2005 draft after Eli (4 picks) - 2nd Corey Webster, 3rd Justin Tuck, 4th Brandon Jacobs.
Edit: Thank god Haskins wasn't the pick.All gonna depend on the team they put around him. The 2005 draft after Eli (4 picks) - 2nd Corey Webster, 3rd Justin Tuck, 4th Brandon Jacobs.
Didn't early Eli get benched for Warner at one point? Or am I imagining that?All gonna depend on the team they put around him. The 2005 draft after Eli (4 picks) - 2nd Corey Webster, 3rd Justin Tuck, 4th Brandon Jacobs.
Warner (5-4) never played for the NYG after Eli (1-6) took over his rookie year. So, no...but yes, yes you have a good imagination.Didn't early Eli get benched for Warner at one point? Or am I imagining that?
At least have a little bit of a clue before posting garbagewgoldsph said:I would take any of those three over Jones. Show me Rosen with that oline and I'll show you a qb that doesn't have 2 fumbles a game.
Haskins is terrible and people were flipping out that the Giants had drafted a QB and Eli started the first couple of gamesThe Frankman said:I don't mind Haskins, he's just not ready yet. I wanted Haskins to sit a full year if the Giants drafted him and learn behind Eli, he has a much higher ceiling than Jones IMHO.
Just for accuracy, Rosen has 11 fumbles in 16 games started, Jones has 10 fumbles in 7 games started. So his point that Rosen fumbles less than Jones is accurate.At least have a little bit of a clue before posting garbage
- Jones 13 TDs 8 Ints 10 Fumbles 82.8 Rate
- Rosen 12 TDS 19 Ints 11 Fumbles 63.5 Rate
Actually For accuracy 11 is still more than 10 ... and 10 fumbles in 7 games is 1.42 per game not 2 per game.Just for accuracy, Rosen has 11 fumbles in 16 games started, Jones has 10 fumbles in 7 games started. So his point that Rosen fumbles less than Jones is accurate.
16 is more than 711 is more 10
Giants Oline Sux ... but Jones has a higher QB Rating than Eli with the same Line ?16 is more than 7
The point was the giants oline is better than anything Rosen has had in his career.
The only stat of those that really matters is Fitz vs Rosen. Yes, when compared to a qb with the same line in the same system Rosen has been a total mess. The rest is apples v oranges. Eli was a dead man walking and the cards are a completely different team on offense this year than they were last year.Giants Oline Sux ... but Jones has a higher QB Rating than Eli with the same Line ?
Dolphins Oline Sux ... but Fitzpatrick (80) has a better rating than Rosen (50) with the same line ?
Cardinals Oline Sux ... but Murray has a better rating (90) than Rosen had on the Cardinals (62) ?
Now that is saying something. a bad something for all 3 teams.16 is more than 7
The point was the giants oline is better than anything Rosen has had in his career.
Think we might be better off at center with Pulley. The Oline seemed more effective running the ball last year with Pulley than this year Halapio ... maybe he is the problem.Looks like Halapio (hamstring) may be out on Sunday. Spencer Pulley would start at C. Speculation that this is a "polite" benching of Halapio.
Remmers is hurting, Chad Slade or Nick Gates may start at RT.
Don't kid yourself on that. Instead of getting flamed by top WRs he now is getting torched by the Cole Beasleys, Olabsi Johnsons, and Jakobi Meyers of the world. If the Giants were smart they'd pull the reins back on Baker until he starts doing well on the 3rd string guys and occasionally rotate Baker in. DeAndre Baker is giving up the most Yards Per Target in the NFL right now (13.1)....I think the Giants will look to move Jenkins to a contender for a pick if Beal can stay on the field. Than Hopefully get Love and Ballentine involved in nickle dime coverages
I'm hoping they see enough in Baker and Beal to move Janoris for a 3rd.
Past the trade deadline but just saw this and it will make any football fan angry.i don't think they are getting a 3rd for Jenkins ... I was just hoping for a 5th. If they could get a 3rd they should make the trade nowI'm hoping they see enough in Baker and Beal to move Janoris for a 3rd.
LOL, come on. He misses that tackle if its flag football too. Embarrassing.Past the trade deadline but just saw this and it will make any football fan angry.
Check out the 'effort' on this tackle by Janoris.
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>>>> >>>>> Janoris Jenkins had the worst tackle effort of all time on Blake Jarwin
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What the hell was that?
Is he injured, lame tackling, or trying to play himself off the team?
These guys who want out of bad situations are ruining the game for everyone. Why bother to watch let alone pay to see this?
That's being lazy in analysis; Haskins is not ready now and wasn't supposed to be ready. I've said up and down he needs to sit a year and y'know, actually have a staff that know what they are doing. His ceiling is much better than Jones, who isn't really shrugging of those Ryan Tannehill worries right now.Haskins is terrible and people were flipping out that the Giants had drafted a QB and Eli started the first couple of games
I don't know, making that call after just 7 games...with who healthy on offense? That actually might be construed as lazy analysis too.That's being lazy in analysis; Haskins is not ready now and wasn't supposed to be ready. I've said up and down he needs to sit a year and y'know, actually have a staff that know what they are doing. His ceiling is much better than Jones, who isn't really shrugging of those Ryan Tannehill worries right now.
The general consensus in the media is that Daniel Jones is a star and the best QB in the draft no matter how many INTs and turnovers he has because REVERSE MEDIA BACKLASH!!! All I have done is examine to see his strengths and weaknesses to see if he's getting better/improving upon stuff as Shurmur gives him more responsibilities. Right now (key words)... it's one step forward, two steps back. The Tannehill comp is a) my assessment of him pre-draft (stronger armed Ryan Tannehill) b) the nightmare QB scenario where Miami waited 4-5 years for him to develop and he never became the QB he wanted.I don't know, making that call after just 7 games...with who healthy on offense? That actually might be construed as lazy analysis too.
First off Eli was hands down the #1 pick and #1 QB in a very strong QB Draft ... The Giants traded a boat load to get him ... Jones was the 6th pick in the draft and probably a reach because the Giants didn't want to take the chance of losing him.The general consensus in the media is that Daniel Jones is a star and the best QB in the draft no matter how many INTs and turnovers he has because REVERSE MEDIA BACKLASH!!! All I have done is examine to see his strengths and weaknesses to see if he's getting better/improving upon stuff as Shurmur gives him more responsibilities. Right now (key words)... it's one step forward, two steps back. The Tannehill comp is a) my assessment of him pre-draft (stronger armed Ryan Tannehill) b) the nightmare QB scenario where Miami waited 4-5 years for him to develop and he never became the QB he wanted.
EDIT: I don't mind the QB looking bad early, Eli wasn't exactly great but by the end of the year you saw mammoth strides he made his rookie year. If Jones end-of-year is similar to the guy we are seeing right now (key word), then like I said earlier you got to make the switch now. I ALSO said he'd have to completely crater for that to happen though... I don't think he has a high ceiling, but at least his issues seem correctable over time. It's similar with Haskins but his ceiling is higher.
1) ... ok?monk said:First off Eli was hands down the #1 pick and #1 QB in a very strong QB Draft ... The Giants traded a boat load to get him ... Jones was the 6th pick in the draft and probably a reach because the Giants didn't want to take the chance of losing him.
Second Eli sat for a half a season before taking over a decent 5-4 team before rattling off 6 consecutive non-competitive losses. Comparing Eli through his first 7 game is like comparing your boy Tannehill to Dan Marino ... It's not even close at this point.
Third - Eli was on a very good team with some great weapons, a great coach, a very good Oline and very good Defense. The 2019 Giants have a Terrible coach , a terrible Oline and Terrible entire Defense! And too make matters worse they have been without their #1 WR (who is only a number 2 on most teams) for almost the entire season, Their #2 WR for 4 Games, and their Stud RB who cant find any holes for multiple games.
Finally ... The Giants have not held back Jones at all this seasons. He's been throwing deep down field, and mid range over the middle all season long something you still don't see with Darnold or Murray who have been relegated to mostly throws 0-10 yard throws. Jones has made some mistakes mostly with the fumbles but that is what happens when a QB gets hit more than just about any QB in the league. When he has time his accuracy on mid and deep throws is outstanding especially for a rookie. 2nd and Long to 3rd and long he has been been great something we haven't see with Eli for years.
One more thing
Daniel Jones Current QB Rate is 82.8 ... higher than Eli's was through any of his first 4 seasons
Train wreck, and now the O line is hurt bigtime. WONDERFUL.Well, that was embarrassing.
Horribly embarrassing ... Giants are actually managing to make Barkley a bad RB.Well, that was embarrassing.
The QB rating stat is a byproduct of passing in different eras, you find a lot of QBs with higher numbers.1) ... ok?
2) Tannehill is Jones' comp, not my boy. And it doesn't negate the fact that Jones isn't learning from his mistakes in a manner you'd expect a 1st round QB to learn from. We've been told he's the 2nd coming of Eli with more athleticism... yet people can't compare their growth?
3) You know that's a bold-faced lie. Jones starts out most games making simple one-read and throw short plays, then usually develops into progressions by the mid 2nd-3rd quarter. When the turnovers start mounting they simplify his reads again. In the Lions and Cowboys game they got behind big and he pretty much cut loose in the 4th quarter. The QB rating stat is a byproduct of passing in different eras, you find a lot of QBs with higher numbers.
I think it's ridiculous fans can't honestly evaluate young QBs over a game by game basis, yet we crucify QBs for games they played like 10 years ago. You think Bears fans are thinking rosy thoughts about Money Mitch? Browns fans still rosy and optimistic about Mayfield? Heck, you just killed Darnold and you can't be honest about Jones?
2-8, you are what your record says you are. You know what is depressing though, we still have our 2 annual beatdowns from the Eagles coming.The Frankman said:Train wreck, and now the O line is hurt bigtime. WONDERFUL.
What do you mean no excuse bad? His blocking RB didn't get destroyed by a blitzing Adams?Just saw the handoff fumble to Adams for a TD... Man that was bad. No excuse bad. Jones just does not protect the ball.
I miss them both.Has anyone missed Landon Collins or Odell Beckham? Can't say that I have, got that going for me.
Only three times in NFL history has a rookie quarterback thrown for at least 300 yards in a game with four touchdown passes and no interceptions; two of those were produced by Jones.Daniel Jones only the 8th player in NFL history to lose multiple games with 300+/4/0
Jeff Garcia
Daniel Jones
Andrew Luck (three such games)
Dan Marino
Tony Romo
Matt Ryan
Alex Smith
Russell Wilson
In fairness, he has plenty of time to get it right but he definitely should be demoted so Sam Beal can get work. I think it's just too much too fast for Baker right now, the good thing is we've seen a few good corners get roasted their rookie year and come back strong.Deandre Baker called out in front of team for lack of effort
Glad we traded up for this guy.
5 Offensive linemen went in the next 10 picks. What about your "hog mollies" Gettleman?
Jawaan Taylor sure would have looked nice at RT, huh?
Has Beal been added to the active roster yet?In fairness, he has plenty of time to get it right but he definitely should be demoted so Sam Beal can get work. I think it's just too much too fast for Baker right now, the good thing is we've seen a few good corners get roasted their rookie year and come back strong.
Yeah, he played against the Jets. got 10 snaps on D and 5 on special teams. made a solo tackle.Has Beal been added to the active roster yet?
Be thrilled if he does a Corey Webster, but wouldn't surprise me to see another Eli Apple.In fairness, he has plenty of time to get it right but he definitely should be demoted so Sam Beal can get work. I think it's just too much too fast for Baker right now, the good thing is we've seen a few good corners get roasted their rookie year and come back strong.
I'd rather they kick Baker in the ### and let both him and Beal get thrown to wolves at corners and Love and Ballentine at FS and nickleIn fairness, he has plenty of time to get it right but he definitely should be demoted so Sam Beal can get work. I think it's just too much too fast for Baker right now, the good thing is we've seen a few good corners get roasted their rookie year and come back strong.
Yeah he sits between Love and Ballentine on the benchHas Beal been added to the active roster yet?
If we don't see what Love can do at FS...soon...thenI'd rather they kick Baker in the ### and let both him and Beal get thrown to wolves at corners and Love and Ballentine at FS and nickle
The Jets just put up 34 points against the Giants ...so good luck with thatMiami week 15 and @Redskins week 16. Can this defense be a league winner in the playoffs?
What I don't get is this ....If we don't see what Love can do at FS...soon...then
The Giants aren't a well run organizationWhat I don't get is this ....
- The Giants Corners, including Jenkins, suck!
- Love was one of the Top Corners in the Draft so the Giants Drafted him
- After the draft the Giants switched him to FS because apparently they were so deep at Corner
- 10 Games in to the season ...Love has not been good enough to take a single snap at FS and the Corners still suck!!!
- SWITCH HIM BACK TO HIS NATURAL ####### POSITION ... CB!!!!!!!!! Just get him on the ###### field !!!!!!!!!!!
If it happened on the Kick return that another good reason to fire Shurm the WormPeppers - transverse process fracture Tate - concussion protocol
"Unfortunately for Peppers, he will not be able to play through the injury, a transverse process fracture in his spine. And given that the recovery timetable for is generally in the six-week range, it likely means that the safety’s first season in blue is now over even if the Giants insist there’s a chance he could return."