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Dynasty Watch - Chris Godwin WR Tampa Bay (2 Viewers)
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The Frankman
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I posted this in the game thread. It looks like he gone. I sincerely hope he doesn't go to New England.
rockaction
Footballguy
Because of cap space and the money Tampa has tied up at receiver. Godwin, according to PFF, is the top WR on the market. That's over Golladay, Robinson, Corey Davis, you name it. He's going to command serious dollars somewhere and Tampa has as a ton of money already invested in Evans. They might franchise Godwin, but they'd be lacking for resources then at other positions, and both Scotty Miller and Tyler Johnson are up and coming receivers that might be ready to step in in his absence. Capella, TB expert on the board, predicts they'll indeed franchise him, but I haven't seen that in any of the publications. Barnwell had him going to New England, which got me worried. He'd draw double coverage all day and I'm not sure they have a QB that can get him the ball.
Anyway, I'd keep my eyes peeled for a move for mega money.
habsfan
Footballguy
I really like Godwin but I feel like he drops an awful lot of balls that hit him in the hands - too many to be "a one". Jordy Nelson got over that I guess and maybe Godwin will too but it's really tough on a franchise when it signs a guy they thought was a "one" who turns out to be a "two".
Thanks! I was also anticipating a franchise tag, giving Brady as many weapons as possible for another run. I agree New England would be an awful landing spot. Outside of Tampa I'm not sure where I'd want him to go that has money... How about Jacksonville? Miami?
rockaction
Footballguy
He'd only dropped one ball all year until he got the yips against WFT. Barely any drops the year before, either. But about being a "one." You might be right. He's probably not a top-end one, but he'll fetch a pretty penny in free agency.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'd buckle in and hope for Tampa with those options. Jacksonville with Lawrence is intriguing, but with Chark and Shenault, who knows if he'd even be the alpha on his own team. I'm not sold on Tua whatsoever. If Miami lands Watson, then for sure Godwin following him there would be awesome for him and fantasy GMs that roster him, but if it's Tua, not so much, IMO. Jets have a ton of money and cap room, so don't count them out, either. Their wide receiver corps is as thin as Miami's, maybe even more so. So...it's up in the air for sure.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Come to Miami!
Capella
Footballguy
He’s going to get franchised and the one-year deal off of that and try to get a long-term deal done after. Mark my words. Zero chance he’s leaving imo
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
The Bucs have some big decisions to make. LaVonte David and Shaq Barrett are also both free agents. Can’t franchise everyone. They’re going to have to get really creative with existing players’ contracts.
That would not worry me, but read some stuff about how he does against press coverage the other day and that would worry me.
Basically what I read the other day was that Arian's lines him up all over to avoid press man coverage and no WR since 2019 who has run at least 500 routes has seen less press man coverage. When he has been against press man coverage he struggles to get targets, just 10% of his targets which is 4th lowest in the league and I don't recall the 3 WR's who were lower then him just none of them were any good.
So it seems to me that Arians has done a great job of putting him best possible situations to avoid his weakness, press man. Sometimes coaches do stupid stuff so risk of him leaving is his new coach not putting him in best situations for success and most of all possibly his new coach not having luxury of moving him around to take advantage of matchups because he's the clear cut #1 and not playing with a Mike Evans type.
Capella
Footballguy
Those two won’t need to be franchised, they will probably be the first two to re-sign. Gronk wants to come back, so they can use the tag on Godwin.
Only significant player I think they lose is Fournette. Also think Brate ends up a cap casualty.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Super bowl teams always have some guys leave in free agency, it’s their time to cash in. However this team could also lure some free agents who will take a discount because TB gives them a solid chance at winning a super bowl. If Godwin leaves, I could see someone like Marvin Jones taking a team friendly deal (or they roll with Johnson/Miller who looked pretty solid as well).
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...Tampa is a little bit different because their window is probably small due to Brady's age but IMO one of the keys to sustaining a run is who you let go because you can't keep everyone...when you fall in love with all of your players you can get yourself in trouble...the good news is (as you point out) once you become a destination for a potential championship you can acquire quality veterans at very team-friendly contracts.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Do you think Shaq re-signing before the franchise deadline in 2 weeks is the highest priority? From the outside that's my perspective cause that would then allow them to tag Godwin, who aged just 24 is ripe for a big pay day whenever he actually hits free agency. If they get to the deadline without a Shaq extension then what?
Regardless, Lavonte David being on the wrong side of 30 leaves me thinking you guys can get him back in March so long as another team does not vastly overpay for him.
Capella
Footballguy
Yes I think a Shaq extension will be announced shortly. They have been working on that for a long time and they want to save the franchise tag for Godwin.
David and Gronk are locks to re-sign. Highly doubt either leaves. In fact they may even take less to come back.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I agree with your line of thinking that they'll be extended and Godwin will be franchised. Just have to figure out how to make the money work. Mike Evans has already said he'd restructure. Donovan Smith and Jensen could also. They can probably extend Brady another year as well to spread his money out.Capella said:
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Godwin will get the tag. Shaq and David will be extended after other players restructure.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I agree with many points and I'll simply add a few more of my own.
-3rd Rd- #84 pick, has 26 starts last 2 seasons, looks like he missed 4 games this past year so I adjusted and his number in terms of catches and TDs per catch ratio about the same, one difference was simply his ypc dipped but you knew Brady was not going to throw as many Hail Mary or deep bombs as say Winston did in 2019.
-His Market value from what i have been reading is roughly $17-$18M per season, he could command and likely get a 5yr/$75 deal in his sleep. The guy is still 24 yrs old? All of the top paid WRs in the NFL are significantly older than him so I would imagine that makes him even more appealing to some teams. You cannot discount that he has had tons of talent around him and if he is asked to be the No 1 with nothing else of real note opposite him, how good will he be? I'm not saying he isn't a No 1 WR.
-The Bucs will receive a compensatory pick if he leaves and signs elsewhere, that's really little comfort when he is better than many of the 1st Rd WRs coming out of college this year and last year/few years. It will be very hard for Tampa Bay to keep him and a Franchise Tag might not make him feel warm n fuzzy either.
I agree with you Rock, the Bucs are going to have make a decision between Godwin and Barrett IMHO...they might have try and get lucky in the Draft with another pick or two at OL and make a change or two like Smith who is owed $14.5M at Left Tackle, cost nothing to release him, you add that to a robust $30M they have in cap space and you are closer to $45M they can play with.
Bucs Thread I posted a lengthy one discussing several contracts that could be re-worked or players potentially traded. What if the Bucs traded their 1st and OJ Howard to get a top flight WR prospect(Pick 1) and then perhaps must let Godwin go, etc....they can do this many different ways and have a lot of flexibility. Godwin gone? Not a foregone conclusion is all I would say.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Godwin gets replaced by Odell. My early February call.
Capella
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Agree, the Bucs already have a special needs WR in Brown, they don't need another one and I don't believe Brady has that special relationship with Odell that he seems to have with Brown. When i watched Brown in the Super Bowl, there was ZERO chance he was dropping that TD in the end zone from Brady. He will retire with a Super Bowl ring to flash at all his parties and clubs because once he leaves Tom's House, he will likely revert back to his old self, just my opinion. (Hope I'm wrong)
I believe right now that Antonio Brown will be back with the Bucs, likely the only team that will even employ him still and he will actually have a pretty good season next year. He racked like 140-150 yds in one game the week or two leading up to the Playoffs. A productive off season and the Bucs are going to have 1-1-1 Evans-Godwin-Brown all No 1 level WRs for Brady to throw to. It's like going WR the first 3 rounds in FF
The Bucs want to make Tom happy and he was his happiest IMO when he threw to Randy moss even though he didn't win a ring with him.Tom became an alpha QB at that point and not just a system guy that won 3 rings.
I don't know about you Cap but for me, Mid-Late Feb is usually about the time I check out of football until at least the Draft but this year because of the Bucs the party just won't stop. I believe the Bucs are going to win it again next year and I believe Brady wants to do it so he can be the only QB to win B2B for 2 different NFL teams, just winning 1 for a couple organizations is a major accomplishment like Manning did for Indy and Denver on his way out, in fact the Broncos went to 2 Super Bowls under Manning.
Capella
Footballguy
Yea man I haven’t come off this high yet lol. I keep buying stuff I don’t need.
I agree that AB-Evans-Godwin will be back with Miller and Johnson. Gronk and OJ at tight end. TBD about Brate - Brady loves him in the red zone. I think they have a truly excellent chance to go B2B — which is more than this Bucs fan could ever conceive. Exciting times.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
I don't see why he couldn't sign a long term back loaded extension in Tampa. Amari Cooper got 5 years and $100M with $60M guaranteed. Only $12M in the first year. Offer Godwin close to the same thing, but put all the cap hit in years 3-5 when Brady is likely to be gone. He's only 24.
Faust
MVP
Buccaneers WR Chris Godwin says he would 'play on' franchise tag
No holdout looming if Godwin gets the franchise tag. The Tom Brady influence at work.
No holdout looming if Godwin gets the franchise tag. The Tom Brady influence at work.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Bucs are franchise tagging him. So much for the value of AB going up!
Capella
Footballguy
Good health vs what he dealt with most of early last year should be big.
If they resign AB he'll probably acclimate a little better with full camp and maybe earn a bigger role and Brady's a year older but to me good health from Godwin and increased familiarity with Brady trumps those things.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
The Bucs used the franchise tag on Chris Godwin.
With the team's core staying put, there was no way the Bucs were going to let Godwin, 25, leave via free agency. In Tom Brady's first season with Tampa, Godwin was second on the team with 84 targets while missing four games. His 70 receiving yards per game marked a massive drop off from the 95.2 yards per game he logged in 2019 though he continued to find the end zone at a decent clip, scoring seven times in 2020. Godwin and Mike Evans will continue to see a similar target share as the Bucs look to become repeat champs in 2021. Tagging Godwin means Lavonte David and Shaq Barrett are going to enter free agency.
With the team's core staying put, there was no way the Bucs were going to let Godwin, 25, leave via free agency. In Tom Brady's first season with Tampa, Godwin was second on the team with 84 targets while missing four games. His 70 receiving yards per game marked a massive drop off from the 95.2 yards per game he logged in 2019 though he continued to find the end zone at a decent clip, scoring seven times in 2020. Godwin and Mike Evans will continue to see a similar target share as the Bucs look to become repeat champs in 2021. Tagging Godwin means Lavonte David and Shaq Barrett are going to enter free agency.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I don't know I think at his cost I am going to be fading Godwin this year. He will be a useful WR2 in fantasy with weekly WR1 upside, but I see more of Brady spreading it around like he did last year. Not saying that is a bad thing but I just don't see Godwin putting up league winning numbers here. I'm kind of glad I moved him recently. Good and solid chalk for FF but not great enough at the price. I will be curious to see what his ADP does now. These dominoes everywhere are starting to fall a little.
Capella
Footballguy
LF is gone imo. 25% chance he comes back.So if Godwin is tagged, what does that do for the Bucs chances of retaining Fournette?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That was my assumption as well. I’d put it at 10% based on his playoff audition for other teams.
Capella
Footballguy
Yea, somebody said he is going to get 8M a year for 2 years and for a guy who was benched in week 15 that doesn’t seem possible. He was unbelievable in the playoffs though, god bless that guy.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Nothing negative to say about Fournette. If he can get that from someone more power to him.
Glad to have Godwin in the fold for another year. This signifies losing at least one of Shaq or LVD though.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, the week 14/15 situation is also part of why I think he’s gone regardless of what he gets paid. Clearly there was either something about his play or his character it was rubbing the coaching staff the wrong way.
sure did have a hell of a playoff run though.
