This is literally happening because the police chocked a man to death in broad daylight...your optimism on the tear gassing is strange
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Don't Noonan
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Disagree. He urged law and order, including justice for Floyd. Just another example that the left will complain about anything he does.
-jb-
Footballguy
Trying not to comment on something I don't know to be 100% true, I decided to look at what happened after the photos taken.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?472686-1/president-walks-st-johns-church
He went back to the WH. You would think that showing respect would have included speaking to those who serve said church.
Nope. "Gotta keep it safe."
https://www.c-span.org/video/?472686-1/president-walks-st-johns-church
He went back to the WH. You would think that showing respect would have included speaking to those who serve said church.
Nope. "Gotta keep it safe."
bigbottom
Footballguy
What did he do there other than pose for a photo. He didn’t pray. He didn’t deliver a speech there. He didn’t mention the church. As far as I could tell, he didn’t even acknowledge the church. So if it wasn’t a photo op, what was it?I don't agree it was for a photo op.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
We had several police officers shot at riots yesterday. Police needs to seize control and keep the public safe from these thugs.
Don't Noonan
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Norman Paperman
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bigbottom
Footballguy
How did he show respect for the church? He didn’t even acknowledge the church other than to pose for a picture in front of it (hence, the photo op).
dkp993
Footballguy
While will have to agree to disagree on that one, in classic Trump fashion he certainly didn’t miss the opportunity though did he? If what he really cared about was the opportunity to go there the photo op is completely pointless. His presence there is all the photo op one needs.
By standing there posing and being sure the world sees he’s holding a Bible (even going so far as holding it up so people can even more clearly see it) blatantly shows his reasoning for being there.
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Don't Noonan
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Again...how then do you explain not actually talking to people who work at the church? How do you explain expelling them from their own patio? Pushing them back with police forces and tear gas affecting them (as many of them attended to people with medical needs).
In what way did what he did show respect for the church...if anything, he quite clearly showed zero respect for the church, the teachings of the church, or the people who serve the church.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
While my opinion is in the minority in this thread I suspect it is in the majority in the real world.
Don't Noonan
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dkp993
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Roy L Fewks
Footballguy
-jb-
Footballguy
you do realize those presidents actually met with the people, shared their pain.
They didn't use tear gas to clear a path and push them all to the side so he can give a presentation holding a bible
There are numerous videos of the police targeting legitimate protestors and bystanders as well as members of the press with some incidents resulting in severe injuries to those targeted. There are bad hombres on both sides of this and these protests are about weeding out individual cops and changing cultures of policing in general. The masks are off and we can see how truly bad the situation is in some areas.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't believe that is the same.
A. When they visit, they inform the people they are coming, the governors and so on. They don't forcibly remove people from the path as well as the property.
B. Once again, you ignore that they removed staff from the property and that the church, despite your claim, did not burn down.
Don't Noonan
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dkp993
Footballguy
Floyd had every right to be afraid of the police. Unfortunately it was also proven justified.
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sho nuff
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There are a great number of African Americans who are very much afraid of the police...given how the police have treated people like them...including the murder of George Floyd.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Get It.......At Porky's
Footballguy
Pretty much sums it up perfectly.
I'm not afraid of the police personally either. Some people are, though. Maybe those people have had different experiences than you and I have.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It really isn't...also, why do you believe your opinion of this is in the majority overall? That does not seem to be supported by much of anything at all..including people I know who support Trump who were unhappy with his actions the past few days and the photo op.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Stop this...nobody is saying he did it personally...however, at his or his administration/secret service request...it did happen.
dkp993
Footballguy
No I’d say extremely anti-trump yes, liberal no. But regardless so are you saying the majority of the “real world” is pro Trump or conservative. Since you’re saying you’re in the majority in the “real world”
Roy L Fewks
Footballguy
When presidents visit national disaster areas, they don't simply "go" there to show respect; they go there to comfort victims, to meet with first responders, to assess damage, and to promise financial aid.
Did Trump do any of those things when he went to the church?
If not, why bother trying to make the comparison?
bostonfred
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I am genuinely confused here. I can't tell what you disagreed with. You came out pretty strong saying that he did no such thing.Don't Noonan said:
Were you saying
he didnt disperse protesters
The protesters who were dispersed weren't peaceful
he didn't claim to stand with them
they didnt use tear gas
they didn't use flash grenades
He didnt personally use tear gas or flash grenades, it was the secret service
he didn't cross the street
he didn't go to the church
it wasn't a photo op
He went out for another reason besides the photo op
You made a definitive statement that he did no such thing before reviewing the evidence and have changed your mind
General Malaise
Footballguy
Yup, just like our forefathers discussed when drafting our constitution: "The comfort and safety of one man is far more important and takes greater priority over the comfort and safety of masses of men".
I think Jefferson wrote that in the footnotes.
of course he didn't, he couldn't exert that type of effort. He's having other people do it...
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
Look, you can't stop the bad seeds. Unfortunately their are going to be bad cops but almost all are here to serve the public. For the same reason you can't hate on Muslims just because a small minority are terrorists.
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This is the new take on everything right now...if you disagree with Trump you are a liberal. I know a lot of conservatives (as do most others) who are not for Trump..
Trump is an entirely different thing
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Except we have done a million things to protect us from terrorists. We can't even get the police to keep their body cams on
bigbottom
Footballguy
When a leader visits the location of a natural disaster, they acknowledge and recognize the destruction, they talk to the people affected, they spend time there trying to understand the impact. Trump did none of those things.
dkp993
Footballguy
I completely agree the overwhelming majority of cops, or Muslims in your example, are good people. But you also can’t deny if you’re a part of a specific part of our society fear of the cops is justified. And this has been played out time and time again.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Don’t we hear often from people that they wished the good Muslims would speak up? And that if they dint...thats too bad? Does the same not apply here? And it goes beyond a few bad coos. It goes higher to a system that has been protecting those bad cops for years.
Don't Noonan
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Do you also dude the person making the disingenuous claim that Trump didn't do it? So you seriously think anyone here was claiming that Trump personally fires tear gas?
dkp993
Footballguy
That's unfortunate, because that, combined with the attitude that nothing needs to change, is the problem.
sho nuff
Footballguy
This is twice today...what is untrue? Everything he stated was true. Trump did none of those things on his visit to the church.
bigbottom
Footballguy
We can implement policies that will mitigate and ultimately reduce the instances of bad deeds. And when I say “we” I’m referring in large part to mayors, governors and state legislators, many of which are Democrats.
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Don't Noonan
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My point is you can never truly stop these type of events. There are always going to be very bad people including this horrible officer. Increased training will help so that the other officers on scene could have stepped in and stopped him. However, this will happen again for sure unfortunately and violent protests and looting helps nobody.
dkp993
Footballguy
While I don’t disagree with anything you typed here it has nothing to do with the point of justified fear. Your original statement was “if you’re afraid of the police I don’t know what to tell you”. That shows a massive Blindspot in my opinion and there are lots of people out there who’s fear is extraordinarily justified. Now I completely agree violent protest help nothing here, at all, and I am in no way shape or form advocating for it. But your fear statement in my opinion shows a massive disconnect.
bigbottom
Footballguy
When Trump stood in front of the church to pose for photos, did he
1) say anything to acknowledge and recognize the damage to the church?
2) speak with the clergy and staff of the church who were affected by the damage?
3) spend time there at the church trying to understand the impact and extent of the damage?
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Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I would argue police have much more reason to be fearful as they are risking their lives every day.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Because we can’t eliminate criminal police brutality entirely doesn’t mean we should not make efforts to reduce its occurrence.
Roy L Fewks
Footballguy
Seems like the takeaway here is that some people define "showing respect" as "making an appearance and doing nothing else."
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