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6 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

This is a good example of why you draft the player and not the situation.

Fully agree for dynasty, but not necessarily for redraft.  Situation is much more important in redraft.  Sure, the cream rises to the top, but sometimes the cream is smothered by a JAG - just look at Chubb's stats to start the season.  

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3 minutes ago, RushHour said:

When did I say that?

you avoided the question.

said Campbell didnt need to be tied to a great qb to do well. Except TY Hilton struggled without Luck in 2017. so, do you think TY Hilton needs to be tied to a great qb? Is Campbell better?

maybe you're right; maybe it is the biased owner in you

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

you avoided the question.

said Campbell didnt need to be tied to a great qb to do well. Except TY Hilton struggled without Luck in 2017. so, do you think TY Hilton needs to be tied to a great qb? Is Campbell better?

maybe you're right; maybe it is the biased owner in you

Wow OK.

I guess not responding to every post is avoiding a question. All I was saying is I thought Campbell had a skill set which made it possible to still be productive with a less than elite QB. I also acknowledged that the overall downgrading of the offense couldn't be overlooked and that will impact Campbell to an extent obviously I think.

You can agree with my view on Campbell or not, I don't really care. If you think Hilton struggling without Luck in 2017 is relevant, then that's fine. I don't really. I never said Campbell was better, he may be just as talented, who knows? We haven't seen him in the NFL yet. 

You were acting like AJ Brown is a slam dunk better talent than Campbell. I don't think he is. We can disagree. 

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7 hours ago, RushHour said:

 

You were acting like AJ Brown is a slam dunk better talent than Campbell. I don't think he is. We can disagree. 

I was using him as an example as he was a consensus top 3 wr in the class prior to the nfl draft. hes generating no hype, yet hes "overrated" which I thought interesting as you were suggesting that Campbell was QB proof

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12 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

AJ Brown would have been 1.1 or 1.2 if he was drafted to any other team in the nfl.

I never, ever heard Brown's name listed that high in any of the discussions leading into the draft.  It was Jacobs, Harry, a smattering of Metcalf, and then everyone else.

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Drafted him 2.6 in my dynasty league yesterday. 12 team PPR been going since 2004.

 

I find that to be extremely good value for kid with his talent/skill set.  We will watch and wait to see if he develops. But man what a fall since Luck retired! Good.....fell into my lap. Hope it works out down the road.

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11 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

you avoided the question.

said Campbell didnt need to be tied to a great qb to do well. Except TY Hilton struggled without Luck in 2017. so, do you think TY Hilton needs to be tied to a great qb? Is Campbell better?

maybe you're right; maybe it is the biased owner in you

Maybe you’re making an assumption and correlation that others don’t necessarily agree?  

I think some people would find merit in that one type of WR (an underneath/slot specialist) may in fact be more QB proof than another (deep/speed guy).  He never said that Campbell was better than Hilton.  But the fact that Hilton struggled noticeably from a production standpoint without Luck /=/ that Campbell may not be AS IMPACTED by Luck’s departure as Hilton would be. 

(Bolded because there’s obviously an impact to everyone dropping from Luck to Brissett, but that impact isn’t necessarily level across the board.)

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1 hour ago, SayWhat? said:

Maybe you’re making an assumption and correlation that others don’t necessarily agree?  

I think some people would find merit in that one type of WR (an underneath/slot specialist) may in fact be more QB proof than another (deep/speed guy).  He never said that Campbell was better than Hilton.  But the fact that Hilton struggled noticeably from a production standpoint without Luck /=/ that Campbell may not be AS IMPACTED by Luck’s departure as Hilton would be. 

(Bolded because there’s obviously an impact to everyone dropping from Luck to Brissett, but that impact isn’t necessarily level across the board.)

For the record, Hilton didn't struggle his one year without Luck, or his 'struggles' have been greatly exaggerated. He got 22% of the targets at 8.9 ypt, and a TD on .037 of them. These are just barely below his career averages. He suffered from lack of volume more than anything; Brissett only made 469 pass attempts in 2017.

With or without a great QB, Campbell will need to be good to put up FF relevant stats. Luck being there added a lot of upside though, so his value has gone down a bit. This is preferred for me because I wasn't using a mid 1st on him with Luck, but I will burn a late 2nd on him now.

 

 

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1 hour ago, cloppbeast said:

For the record, Hilton didn't struggle his one year without Luck, or his 'struggles' have been greatly exaggerated. He got 22% of the targets at 8.9 ypt, and a TD on .037 of them. These are just barely below his career averages. He suffered from lack of volume more than anything; Brissett only made 469 pass attempts in 2017.

With or without a great QB, Campbell will need to be good to put up FF relevant stats. Luck being there added a lot of upside though, so his value has gone down a bit. This is preferred for me because I wasn't using a mid 1st on him with Luck, but I will burn a late 2nd on him now.

 

 

that's the thing though there is probably going be 1500 yards and 50 catches less in that offence this year.  I don't see a first year wr coming out and dominating.  He was a stretch this year with those yards and catches available...without, i'll take a pass

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I just don't think you can or should ignore situation. 

In the event there is a generational talent--sure.  But I think a lot of people viewed several of the receivers as very similar.  And when you're all that close--situation matters.  Being in a spot to be Luck's #2 and maybe even his #1 at some point is better than a slightly more talented receiver being Mariotta's #1 or 2. 

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37 minutes ago, Stealthycat said:

3 catches, 42 yards, 4 targets 

nice starting game for him, love him in dynasty

One of those was a 5 yard slant over the middle that he ran for another 25 yards. 

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Just now, RushHour said:

Dynasty? Ridiculous

Yes, but with a short 18 person bench.  I'll admit I was one of the people that cut him.  The way i see it, is there won't be much there this year for him and then mix him in with the rookies who do perform this year and the batch coming out seems like a pointless roster carry.  

There is a very strong chance the colts are going into qb wilderness for the next bunch of years.  They already have a wr1 so there is little for campbell to bite off

 

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Just now, killface said:

Yes, but with a short 18 person bench.  I'll admit I was one of the people that cut him.  The way i see it, is there won't be much there this year for him and then mix him in with the rookies who do perform this year and the batch coming out seems like a pointless roster carry.  

There is a very strong chance the colts are going into qb wilderness for the next bunch of years.  They already have a wr1 so there is little for campbell to bite off

 

I guess I don’t have experience in rosters that small. Maybe he is a cut candidate in a league like that, I don’t know.

Seems I’m higher on him as a prospect than many others on this forum. I’m not thinking short term with him (although I still think he’ll have a productive rookie season).

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Just now, RushHour said:

I guess I don’t have experience in rosters that small. Maybe he is a cut candidate in a league like that, I don’t know.

Seems I’m higher on him as a prospect than many others on this forum. I’m not thinking short term with him (although I still think he’ll have a productive rookie season).

In a shorter bench league he will be around next year to pick up no problem.  He's not going to set the world on fire this year so there will be very little buzz about him next year.

If Bissett tanks than nobody will pick him up next year either...

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18 minutes ago, thehoch said:

I'm drafting Parris at the end of my drafts. He looks like he plays with a 6th gear. I would not be surprised to see him as a hot waiver wire add by 4-5th week of the season.

 

I'm intrigued by the love for him given the situation.  What do you see as his ceiling and floor?

Edit to add that drafting him with your last pick is not a bad idea for sure....and it doesn't show any undying love for him.  

 

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4 hours ago, killface said:

I'm intrigued by the love for him given the situation.  What do you see as his ceiling and floor?

Edit to add that drafting him with your last pick is not a bad idea for sure....and it doesn't show any undying love for him.  

 

In the limited plays I've seen him explode after the catch. Also Deon Cain looks the part. Too bad Luck isn't staying, this would have been his most explosive WR corp in my opinion.

As far as ceiling or floor? You never can tell until the prove it, so can't say. But for me these kind of players just need one big play in the game to justify drafting them. Take a 40 yard catch to the house and it's all good for the rest of the day.

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4 hours ago, thehoch said:

In the limited plays I've seen him explode after the catch. Also Deon Cain looks the part. Too bad Luck isn't staying, this would have been his most explosive WR corp in my opinion.

As far as ceiling or floor? You never can tell until the prove it, so can't say. But for me these kind of players just need one big play in the game to justify drafting them. Take a 40 yard catch to the house and it's all good for the rest of the day.

For me i can't stand the weeks in between of 2 catches for 10 yards

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Colts WR Parris Campbell (abdominal) will be monitored throughout the week.

Campbell should be considered questionable for the Colts' Week 5 matchup against the Chiefs. His eight targets in Week 4 were tied with Jack Doyle for the highest mark on the team, but obviously this was inflated by the absence of T.Y. Hilton (quad). Still, the Colts have seemingly made an effort to get Campbell's game-breaking speed more and more involved in the offense, which resulted in multiple deep-ball targets in Week 4. He's emerging as a boom-or-bust WR4 with upside for more.

SOURCE: George Bremer on Twitter.

Sep 30, 2019, 4:08 PM ET

 

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Parris Campbell (abdominal) has been ruled out for the Colts' Week 5 matchup against the Chiefs.

Campbell underwent a procedure for his abdominal injury and doesn't have a timetable for a return. It's disappointing news for the explosive rookie, who was getting more snaps and targets in recent weeks. The Colts will continue to utilize a committee approach at WR with Zach Pascal, Chester Rogers and Deon Cain behind the group's alpha T.Y. Hilton.

SOURCE: Mike Chappell on Twitter.

Oct 4, 2019, 2:26 PM ET

 

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Parris Campbell (abdominal) wasn't spotted at the open portion of Monday's practice.

S Malik Hooker (knee) and DL Tyquan Lewis (ankle) were also absent. Campbell had last week's bye to rest but still needs more time to recover from an abdominal procedure he underwent earlier this month. With Campbell absent in Week 5, Deon Cain and Zach Pascal rotated opposite T.Y. Hilton on the outside with Chester Rogers manning the slot in a win over Kansas City.

SOURCE: Kevin Bowen on Twitter

Oct 14, 2019, 12:19 PM ET

 

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Parris Campbell caught 5-of-5 targets for 53 yards in the Colts' Week 9 loss to the Steelers.

The Colts’ snaps and targets for their WRs without T.Y. Hilton (calf) were as follows: Zach Pascal (6 targets, 66 snaps), Campbell (5, 45), Chester Rogers (5, 46) and Deon Cain (2, 19). The Colts made an effort to get their electric second-round rookie the ball all afternoon even after Campbell fumbled a kick return and later a routine crosser that nearly went to the house. Campbell still isn’t the most polished receiver, but coach Frank Reich schemed him the ball in space via rush attempts and short-hitting routes. Treat Campbell as an upside WR4 for next week's potential smash spot against the Dolphins.

Nov 3, 2019, 5:21 PM ET

 

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Colts WR Parris Campbell (hand fracture) will miss time after having surgery.

The good news is that Campbell isn't expected to be placed on the injured reserve list. The Colts' electric second-round rookie was expected to be a major part of the offense with T.Y. Hilton (calf) sidelined. Look for the Colts to utilize Zach Pascal, Chester Rogers and Deon Cain in 3-WR sets for their Week 10 matchup against the Dolphins.

SOURCE: Kevin Bowen on Twitter.

Nov 4, 2019, 4:13 PM ET

 

 

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Colts WR Parris Campbell (hand) "hopes to be back" by December.

Campbell needed surgery after fracturing his hand in Week 9. He's going to miss at least the next two games but is targeting a December return. The Colts didn't place Campbell on IR, so they expect him back at some point this year. With T.Y. Hilton (calf) also sidelined, Indy will continue to go tight-end heavy behind Zach Pascal and Chester Rogers.

SOURCE: George Bremer on Twitter

Nov 12, 2019, 2:07 PM ET

 

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Colts rookie WR Parris Campbell (hand) was a full participant in Wednesday's practice.

In a brief moment of positivity for their injury-riddled squad, Indianapolis' receiving corps could add Campbell to the mix among their thinning options. Campbell has a shot to overtake both Marcus Johnson and Ashton Dulin immediately upon return while T.Y. Hilton (calf) remains sidelined for the foreseeable future.

SOURCE: Indianapolis Colts on Twitter

Dec 4, 2019, 3:57 PM ET

 

 

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Colts WR Parris Campbell (hand) is expected to play Week 14 against the Bucs.

Campbell will likely slide into the starting lineup alongside Zach Pascal now that T.Y. Hilton (calf) was officially ruled out. Campbell is a potential sleeper this week since we've seen flashes from him earlier in the season. To make his outlook as an upside WR4 even stronger, Campbell catches the burnable Bucs secondary this week.

SOURCE: Colts on Twitter

Dec 6, 2019, 1:59 PM ET

 

 

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Parris Campbell caught 3-of-5 targets for 12 yards in the Colts’ Week 14 loss to the Buccaneers.

The Colts schemed up a deep shot to Campbell on the first play of their second drive, but Jacoby Brissett couldn’t quite hit the speedy rookie for what could’ve been a 50-plus yard score. The good news is Campbell didn’t seem to re-aggravate his hand injury, so he could feasibly have a more-prominent role in Week 15 against the Saints. Still, he’s at rick of working outside of the Colts’ top-three pass-game option in any given week inside of this run-first offense. Treat Campbell as a boom-or-bust WR4 as long as T.Y. Hilton (calf) remains sidelined.

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Colts placed WR Parris Campbell (hand) on injured reserve.

Campbell's season is over. The speedy rookie WR battled injuries throughout the season, ultimately catching just 18 passes for 127 yards and one touchdown. The Colts will move forward with Zach Pascal, Marcus Johnson and Ashton Dulin in three-WR sets.

SOURCE: Kevin Bowen on Twitter

Dec 9, 2019, 3:46 PM ET

 

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16 minutes ago, Edgar said:

What’s the rookie price on him these days? 
He’s gotta be near the top of cheap buys with big upside. He did run 4.31...

Not much. He was dropped in a keep 16 league I’m in. Other than that I haven’t seen anything. I’m tempted to make some offers but not a big fan. Still if you can buy him for a third that’s a pretty great price.

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8 hours ago, Edgar said:

What’s the rookie price on him these days? 
He’s gotta be near the top of cheap buys with big upside. He did run 4.31...

I sold him a week after the Superbowl for 2.6 and 3.5.

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I believe he could be a good WR3 for the Colts and I also believe with the addition of Pittman it will help Campbell.  I'm not sure he is startable in most leagues, but could help out during bye weeks......or not....not sure.  One thing I do know is that the Colts passing game is better with all four Rivers / Hilton / Pittman / Campbell than they were last year.

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Super Bowl was a long time ago.  I can't see anyone paying more than a 3rd at this point.  You're in the Van Jefferson/Hamler/Duvernay territory at that point and that's about right.  If one is to take a flier, it's tough to do so on a guy that just had a bellcow RB and WR drafted right over his head and a way-veteran QB that has a very-veteran WR that he's likely to trust more.  Zero chance he gets more than 50-60 touches without an injury or Pittman being lost in the learning curve.  I'm a raging OSU homer and will forever love Campbell for what he did to the skunk weasels but I just can't bring myself to invest much in him.

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