Live Draft Gone Bad

[barackdhouse]

Glad you guys didn't drop Crowder. I didn't realize that was on the table. Definitely hold.

[Don Hutson]

6 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Gallman would be another.

Gallman isn't a bad option.   He has little competition.  He even gets some receptions.  He had 34 receptions as a rookie while only playing 29% of snaps.  And now he is in his third year of playing with Eli so he could be even more effective as a receiver.   Few handcuffs can be counted on to actually be lead back when the starter goes down.  Wayne would be lead back if Saquon goes down.

[rockaction]

4 minutes ago, Don Hutson said:

Gallman isn't a bad option.   He has little competition.  He even gets some receptions.  He had 34 receptions as a rookie while only playing 29% of snaps.  And now he is in his third year of playing with Eli so he could be even more effective as a receiver.   Few handcuffs can be counted on to actually be lead back when the starter goes down.  Wayne would be lead back if Saquon goes down.

Salient points, with one quibble. Eli's done starting. It's Jones. I'm not sure I like Gallman as an addition. They're not a great team; what makes them so attractive at times is Barkley's transcendent talent. 

[Don Hutson]

34 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Salient points, with one quibble. Eli's done starting. It's Jones. I'm not sure I like Gallman as an addition. They're not a great team; what makes them so attractive at times is Barkley's transcendent talent. 

Gallman is a nice running back for the Giants to pair with Jones.  Gallman is great at pass protection.  His PFF pass block grades from the last 2 years are 85.7 and 88.3.  Gallman probably has a ceiling of a RB2 because of being on the Giants.  He is not Saquon.  But getting a RB2 from the waiver wire is massive.  It would be extra massive in a running back heavy league where 72 running backs are rostered.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Don Hutson

[-X-]

Dropped Henderson instead of Ty Monty for Gallman?

 

Henderson has much more talent than Gallman, even if he’s currently buried on the Rams’ depth chart.

[rockaction]

8 minutes ago, -X- said:

Dropped Henderson instead of Ty Monty for Gallman?

 

Henderson has much more talent than Gallman, even if he’s currently buried on the Rams’ depth chart.

For Mostert, though. I agree he might have dropped the wrong guy, but it was for Mostert. 

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My mistake.  Mostert is an upgrade as long as he keeps getting touches, but his usage bump was rather out of the blue.  I would’ve dumped Ty Monty and kept Henderson.

[rockaction]

Just now, -X- said:

My mistake.  Mostert is an upgrade as long as he keeps getting touches, but his usage bump was rather out of the blue.  I would’ve dumped Ty Monty and kept Henderson.

I would have held waiver priority, but you know what? I never made my case as to why, so that's out the window. 

Mostert is fine, but there's a bye week Week Four, IIRC, for Coleman to heal and send Mostert back to the bench. Mostert also just ceded goal line work to another back, whose name I cannot recall right now. Wilson? 

This is outstanding. Breida runs outside, Mostert runs inside and catches dump offs, and some chap named Wilson takes it to the house from close. Lovely. 

[Dr. Octopus]

23 minutes ago, -X- said:

My mistake.  Mostert is an upgrade as long as he keeps getting touches, but his usage bump was rather out of the blue.  I would’ve dumped Ty Monty and kept Henderson.

It wasn’t out of the blue - Coleman was out.

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5 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

It wasn’t out of the blue - Coleman was out.

What I meant was that Breida was thought to get the majority of the touches, not a relatively equal distribution with Mostert, but I guess that’s to be expected with Shanahan.

Edited September 19, 2019 by -X-

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6 hours ago, rockaction said:

I would have held waiver priority, but you know what? I never made my case as to why, so that's out the window. 

Mostert is fine, but there's a bye week Week Four, IIRC, for Coleman to heal and send Mostert back to the bench. Mostert also just ceded goal line work to another back, whose name I cannot recall right now. Wilson? 

This is outstanding. Breida runs outside, Mostert runs inside and catches dump offs, and some chap named Wilson takes it to the house from close. Lovely. 

All I read was that Shanahan “hinted at” Wilson getting GL work.  Never have been a fan of Shanahan RBBC guys.  Too inconsistent.

[rockaction]

1 minute ago, -X- said:

All I read was that Shanahan “hinted at” Wilson getting GL work.  Never have been a fan of Shanahan RBBC guys.  Too inconsistent.

After Wilson scored two TDs from runs inside the 20. I think he was 10-34-2 or something like it.  

[TheWinz]

7 hours ago, -X- said:

Dropped Henderson instead of Ty Monty for Gallman?

 

Henderson has much more talent than Gallman, even if he’s currently buried on the Rams’ depth chart.

Remember, no matter what his son does to this team - it's all puppies and rainbows in this thread!  Kinda like how the entire team says "good answer" on Family Feud, even when the answer blows chunks.

[-X-]

I miss the bellcow RB days of yore.

[-X-]

I should’ve fixed that Gallman post.  Whatever.

[TheWinz]

Just now, -X- said:

I should’ve fixed that Gallman post.  Whatever.

Good answer, good answer

[BassNBrew]

Your going to regret Henderson but I understand the need for wins now

[-X-]

^Good answer, good answer.

[joffer]

49 minutes ago, -X- said:

I miss the bellcow RB days of yore.

Didn’t Edgerrin James once get every single RB carry for the Colts in a year?

[-X-]

I guess bellcow is subjective regarding percentage.  I mean, even Walter Payton was spelled occasionally by Roland Harper and Dennis Gentry later on.

85%+?

[Anarchy99]

1 hour ago, joffer said:

Didn’t Edgerrin James once get every single RB carry for the Colts in a year?

James had 387 carries. Other backs got 5. Edge also had 63 receptions. The other scrubs had 4.

[Anarchy99]

1 hour ago, -X- said:

I guess bellcow is subjective regarding percentage.  I mean, even Walter Payton was spelled occasionally by Roland Harper and Dennis Gentry later on.

85%+?

The game was way different then. Payton had 333 carries in 1978. Roland Harper (his teammate) had 240 that year. Can you imagine if teams ran the ball 634 times in a season like the Bears did? Fans would revolt.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Anarchy99

[Anarchy99]

2 hours ago, BassNBrew said:

Your going to regret Henderson but I understand the need for wins now

I can probably pick him up again. There may not be anyone interested in a player that's had 1 carry so far and didn't play a single snap last week. 

[-X-]

20 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

The game was way different then. Payton had 333 carries in 1978. Roland Harper had 240 that year. Can you imagine if teams ran the ball 634 times in a season like the Bears did? Fans would revolt.

Right?  They used the run to set up the...  Run.  No surprise as those were the Bob Avellini days.  

From Walter’s infamous 1977 game vs. MIN:

Bob Avellini 
4/6, 33 Yds, INT 

Walter Payton 
40 Rush, 275 Yds, TD 

James Scott 
2 Rec, 22 Yds 

Edited September 19, 2019 by -X-

[Doug B]

4 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

6 hours ago, joffer said:

Didn’t Edgerrin James once get every single RB carry for the Colts in a year?

James had 387 carries. Other backs got 5. Edge also had 63 receptions. The other scrubs had 4.

That was the 2000 season. In 1999, James had 369 carries. His backup, Keith Elias, had 13. Two other backs on the roster (incl one FB, Paul Shields) got nada.

[barackdhouse]

4 hours ago, -X- said:

Right?  They used the run to set up the...  Run.  No surprise as those were the Bob Avellini days.  

From Walter’s infamous 1977 game vs. MIN:

Bob Avellini 
4/6, 33 Yds, INT 

Walter Payton 
40 Rush, 275 Yds, TD 

James Scott 
2 Rec, 22 Yds 

I think Sweetness had a >100° fever too.

[TheWinz]

I dunno if Gore is still available, but if he is, I would drop Montgomery and grab him, even if you have to use another waiver claim.  Your son already burned the claim, so you're back near the bottom again, right?  Gore is a worthy starter this week.

[Anarchy99]

6 minutes ago, TheWinz said:

I dunno if Gore is still available, but if he is, I would drop Montgomery and grab him, even if you have to use another waiver claim.  Your son already burned the claim, so you're back near the bottom again, right?  Gore is a worthy starter this week.

Gore was picked up by someone with a higher waiver claim. We are down to 9th in the pecking order. 

[TheWinz]

2 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Gore was picked up by someone with a higher waiver claim. We are down to 9th in the pecking order. 

Worth a shot.  You didn't need him for this week anyway - you will win without him.

[barackdhouse]

I think the team is in good shape. Let the season play out a bit. Keep eyes open for opportunities and such. 

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I thought Ty Monty was going to be dropped to pick Henderson back up.

[Anarchy99]

17 hours ago, -X- said:

I thought Ty Monty was going to be dropped to pick Henderson back up.

I am not sold on Henderson. But maybe I am In the minority. 

Edited September 22, 2019 by Anarchy99

[Anarchy99]

Serious question. Mahomes at home against the Ravens in a monsoon or Wilson at home against the Saints? I have a feeling the KC game is going to be an ugly defensive game with multiple turnovers. 

[Uruk-Hai]

7 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

Serious question. Mahomes at home against the Ravens in a monsoon or Wilson at home against the Saints? I have a feeling the KC game is going to be an ugly defensive game with multiple turnovers. 

Ravens fan here. Mahomes all day. 

[Anarchy99]

4 minutes ago, Uruk-Hai said:

Ravens fan here. Mahomes all day. 

I'm less concerned about the Ravens defense than I am about the weather. Expected to be heavy rain, windy, and thunderstorms all afternoon. The Ravens did a good job last year pressing Mahomes. If the ball is wet, lots of things can go wrong. And wind usually hurts QB numbers.

[Uruk-Hai]

3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

I'm less concerned about the Ravens defense than I am about the weather. Expected to be heavy rain, windy, and thunderstorms all afternoon. The Ravens did a good job last year pressing Mahomes. If the ball is wet, lots of things can go wrong. And wind usually hurts QB numbers.

The last weather report I saw was intermittent T-storms. Mahomes threw for almost 300 yards and 4 TDs in one quarter last week. An hour or so break in the weather looks appetizing to me. The Ravens secondary is a MASH unit right now.

Go with Wilson if you want to reduce perceived risk. I'm just saying that I would not worry about what Mahomes can do today.

[Anarchy99]

Just now, Uruk-Hai said:

The last weather report I saw was intermittent T-storms. Mahomes threw for almost 300 yards and 4 TDs in one quarter last week. An hour or so break in the weather looks appetizing to me. The Ravens secondary is a MASH unit right now.

Go with Wilson if you want to reduce perceived risk. I'm just saying that I would not worry about what Mahomes can do today.

They just showed the stadium. You can barely see from the rain as they showed them taking the tarp off the field.

[Uruk-Hai]

12 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said:

They just showed the stadium. You can barely see from the rain as they showed them taking the tarp off the field.

Radar 

[TheWinz]

SEA game is projected for rain too, as I understand it.  Penny looks like he may not play, if that influences your decision.

[VandyMan]

[Anarchy99]

Down 26 with the other team having BCooks and the CLE defense. We have OBJ, Peterson, Zuerlein, and CHI defense. Should have stuck with my instinct to play Wilson (not that Mahomes didn’t have good numbers).

[VandyMan]

1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said:

Down 26 with the other team having BCooks and the CLE defense. We have OBJ, Peterson, Zuerlein, and CHI defense. Should have stuck with my instinct to play Wilson (not that Mahomes didn’t have good numbers).

Might have a better chance trading Wilson after today's performance.

Pulling for you.

[-X-]

2 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Down 26 with the other team having BCooks and the CLE defense. We have OBJ, Peterson, Zuerlein, and CHI defense. Should have stuck with my instinct to play Wilson (not that Mahomes didn’t have good numbers).

I see Evans finally blew up.

Bold strategy starting AP and CHI D since they are at odds.  Better to roll the dice with Cohen.

[Anarchy99]

33 minutes ago, -X- said:

I see Evans finally blew up.

Bold strategy starting AP and CHI D since they are at odds.  Better to roll the dice with Cohen.

Would have been nice is Evans blew up while still on our roster. 

[Deamon]

2 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Would have been nice is Evans blew up while still on our roster. 

Ya you gift wrapped that for him.  Would have had a better record for sure if you didn't make the trade.  Oh well, hindsight. 

What do you need to happen now on Monday night?

[Anarchy99]

9 hours ago, Deamon said:

Ya you gift wrapped that for him.  Would have had a better record for sure if you didn't make the trade.  Oh well, hindsight. 

What do you need to happen now on Monday night?

Not sure about your first statement. Definitely would have lost last week if we still had Evans. Fitz is on pace for 96/1350/11. Other than Brown in Week 1, all the other RB's we had on the roster originally have been abysmal.

We are losing by 22.08 heading into tonight. We have either Cohen or Peterson and the Bears defense to catch up. IMO, those two backs are pretty close projection wise this week. The Bears really haven't utilized Cohen much at all. Peterson is probably 25-35% to get a goal line TD. Neither one is a great option, as I doubt either one will have a noteworthy fantasy week. We will likely need a big game from the Bears defense with a return TD to stand a chance.

[BassNBrew]

5 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Not sure about your first statement. Definitely would have lost last week if we still had Evans. Fitz is on pace for 96/1350/11. Other than Brown in Week 1, all the other RB's we had on the roster originally have been abysmal.

We are losing by 22.08 heading into tonight. We have either Cohen or Peterson and the Bears defense to catch up. IMO, those two backs are pretty close projection wise this week. The Bears really haven't utilized Cohen much at all. Peterson is probably 25-35% to get a goal line TD. Neither one is a great option, as I doubt either one will have a noteworthy fantasy week. We will likely need a big game from the Bears defense with a return TD to stand a chance.

Cohen.

Assuming ppr.

Edited September 23, 2019 by BassNBrew

[barackdhouse]

17 hours ago, Anarchy99 said:

Would have been nice is Evans blew up while still on our roster. 

Yeah no doubt. The trade did result in a H2H victory last week that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Unless some other deal had materialized at the last minute. But moving forward who knows.

AP at Chicago is unfortunate. Flip a coin between him and Cohen. 

[barackdhouse]

Last week if the trade hadn't happened:

Evans 10.1 Montgomery 7.0 Brown 5.7

Total 22.8 (I forget this *is* PPR no?)

Last week with the trade:

Fitzgerald 15.4

AP 11.2

Cohen 4.5

Total 31.1

With trade equals victory without trade equals loss. But that is just one week and the balance sheet comparison for this week is undoubtedly unfavorable after Evans monster game. But it is also difficult to compare post-trade box scores when you consider what other forks in the road the team may have gone if the Evans deal hadn't been made. Too many what ifs. 

[Anarchy99]

3 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

Last week if the trade hadn't happened:

Evans 10.1 Montgomery 7.0 Brown 5.7

Total 22.8 (I forget this *is* PPR no?)

Last week with the trade:

Fitzgerald 15.4

AP 11.2

Cohen 4.5

Total 31.1

With trade equals victory without trade equals loss. But that is just one week and the balance sheet comparison for this week is undoubtedly unfavorable after Evans monster game. But it is also difficult to compare post-trade box scores when you consider what other forks in the road the team may have gone if the Evans deal hadn't been made. Too many what ifs. 

0.5 PPR scoring.

IMO, we would have lost with Evans last week. As you said, water under the bridge now. Still haven't gotten much scoring from RB's. We definitely aren't going to outscore the Top 3 scoring teams in any week and haven't had the luxury of playing teams that put up duds. We are Bottom 2 or 3 in team points allowed (not that we are in control of that).

If we somehow are able to win tonight, we would probably end up as the 4th highest scoring team this week. Therein lies the problem. Given the RB's on our roster, there is no way we are ever going to beat a team that scores a lot. We will be lucky to get 10 points from our 2 RB's again this week. In three games, we have been outscored at RB 80 to 30.

No one is really all that eager to trade us a reliable RB and want Mahomes of Hopkins in return. Giving up one of them for a part time back or RB3 doesn't make any sense. No one really available on waivers either.