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I would agree and it's not really potential NFL starters here, it's much more. Jeudy is a sure bet to be 1st round pick and Smith next year is pretty certain to be a day 2 pick at worst. It's not like Ruggs was invisible either, all year people were drooling over his NFL potential and the big plays he made.
I watched that and had to remind myself of that time people started posting Justin Hunter dunk video's so as not to get carried away.In addition to the speed. You have to check out his hoops video if you wanna see off chart hops and athleticism.
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Henry Ruggs video
Bold take. Hill has become an excellent all-around receiver and route runner. I would be curious on what makes you think that the rookie Ruggs is better than one of the best NFL receivers?need2know said:
He's probably a better person.
I like Ruggs, and hope he turns out well. He has potential. But he's not even the best wr on his own college team let alone better than one of the best in the NFL.
Yeah pretty sure ruggs never punched his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach. But who really knows for sure
I haven't heard anything negative about the kid. Seems like a decent guy.
Well good thing I’m not a huge fan of Jeudy either than. At least he did stuff in college.
Fair point and I’m lower on Ruggs than others as well. Jeudy was great in college but that slender frame concerns me too.
You'll have to leave Ben Linsey from PFF off of that list, too.
That has a paywall. Does he declare him WR1 at some point? Because the early article says PFF’s WR10.
Ah, yes it does. Sorry. No, he says 10th on the big board overall. Like, first rounder.
Let me clarify then... these guys aren’t suggesting A WR1, they are suggesting THE WR1
PFF compared Ruggs to Santana Moss. I don't think that is unreasonable, and would certainly be worth of a high 1st round pick.
The WR3, actually. Behind Jeudy and Lamb, who sit at five and six overall, respectively.
Yup. Something I kept harping on last year, and that ZWK noted recently, was the Fuller effect. That is, someone like Will Fuller -- his pure speed caused a rotating safety in double coverage which opened up the rest of the field for everyone else. He may not have scored many points outside of that fifty-plus deluge, but he was valuable to the Texans when on the field. Robby Anderson of the Jets served the same function, albeit on a poor Jets team.
Agree and Mike Lombardi is someone I listen to a lot when I can get past his self promoting blow hard tendencies but he's constantly hammering home the point that Will Fuller is what makes the Texans offense go. He also said a few years ago, when Kelvin Benjamin was actually halfway decent and thought of as the #1, that he knew for sure teams were not worried about him but focused their game plan more on Ted Ginn.
Ginn is another guy I was trying to think of, too. Nice pull.
It does make spatial sense. I mean, if you can draw double coverage...it's like any spacing in any limited boundary sport.
On timely topic I was catching up on my twitter timeline just now and came across this series of tweets:rockaction said:
Agreedmenobrown said:
Fuller had a 92nd percentile dominator, Anderson a 68th percentile... both broke out around 20 y/o. Ruggs was a 17th percentile dom with no breakout age. You can frame it as the NFL not valuing the way the player plays the same as they do in fantasy but I have to question how this particular player plays to fit that specific mold you mentioned. I’ve said I don’t mind Ruggs as an upside guy late round 2 into round 3. When someone puts him at #1 WR overall and says to watch the tape... what tape? There are highlights that’s it.
Oh, I wouldn't misunderstand me. I'm not hanging my hat on Ruggs, I'm more explaining the line of thought that NFL evaluators and draftniks might have when they see his speed. Nothing more than that.
I think you're underestimating what a speedster can do to an overall NFL offense. There's no doubt in my mind that he opens up so many more possibilties for whatever team drafts him, that is assuming he's good. DeSean Jackson kept offenses afloat purely because he was the best deep threat the NFL has ever seen. Speed is a threat no matter what level of the field he's on. He's an NFL WR1 (possibly), not a fantasy football WR1 in rookie drafts, this class, or ever in his life.
That’s the thing. I don’t hate Ruggs. I think I have him reasonably ranked, I enjoy watching him play and there is no denying his athleticism. He was a reserve player in college. Maybe he’s Josh Jacobs, I tend to think those players are very, very, very rare to overcome lack of production in college. Usually that happens with good reason.
If I can even play more devil's advocate, I'm as high on Jacobs as anyone, but he was dinged up pretty early and for the whole year. He's got to concern people with his durability given that he was never bellcow for Saban, even though that's not how Saban runs his team.
I sort of cross-posted this in the Jets thread. Him and Perriman would put so much pressure on secondaries, it'd really open things up for Le'Veon and his aging legs to average 3.5 YPC.
