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2 minutes ago, jobarules said:

If you go on NY state vaccine website, its says no vaccines available at any of their vaccine sites until April 16th. They even blame the shortage on supply issues right there on the website.

Is this a new issue or more recent?  could it be weather related.  I know there were stories on the local news about some areas down here that would be affected due to the weather (with FedEx being affected big time in Memphis and things needing to be rerouted)

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12 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Is this a new issue or more recent?  could it be weather related.  I know there were stories on the local news about some areas down here that would be affected due to the weather (with FedEx being affected big time in Memphis and things needing to be rerouted)

Im sure some is weather related but that would just delay appointments a few days.

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*ALERT: The Federal Government determines how much vaccine New York State receives. The Federal Government has only given New York approximately 300,000 vaccines/week for over 7 million people who are eligible – as a result supply is very limited*

Vaccines are available at pharmacies, hospitals and through local health departments statewide – please contact your provider of choice to schedule your vaccine appointment.
Additionally, there is a network of State-run sites distributing vaccine statewide – to determine eligibility and to schedule a first-dose appointment through April 16 at New York State-run vaccination sites only, use the Am I Eligible app.
AN APPOINTMENT IS REQUIRED. IF YOU VISIT A LOCATION WITHOUT AN APPOINTMENT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE A VACCINE.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Penguin said:

Has anyone gotten the 2nd dose of Pfizer yet? I'm curious as to how the felt afterwards.

My brother is FDNY and they got the Moderna vax, he said he didn't fell too bad after the 2nd dose but some of the other firemen were down for a few days.

Wife and I both had it. I had a little bit.of a sore arm and a little run down maybe. Next day.my sinuses acted up for a couple days. Not sure if related. My wife had a little more of a reaction. Low grade fever, sore arm, felt a little crummy overall for a couple of days. Also had some swelling and soreness of gland in the side armpit area. I guess this is somewhat common in women.

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1 hour ago, The Z Machine said:

So NY State will take until mid-April to vaccinate all of their Group 1 people that want a vax?   Ugh.  Time to saddle up and go to West Virginia for a jab.

Or hey, maybe time to stop sending so much of the vaccine to West Virginia and spread it around a little.   It seems weird how inconsistent the volume of vaccine allocation has been at the state level.

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2 hours ago, Alex P Keaton said:

Or hey, maybe time to stop sending so much of the vaccine to West Virginia and spread it around a little.   It seems weird how inconsistent the volume of vaccine allocation has been at the state level.

It's pretty frustrating to say the least.  My MIL in Louisiana walked into a Wal-Mart and got hers, but my 83-year-old dad and 74-year-old mom in California have been on some stupid waiting list for over a month and ended up getting COVID. :(

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Was scheduled for tomorrow but got a text from Rite Aid changing it to Saturday.   Then got a call tonight from the actual pharmacist saying it was back on at the original time.  Same thing happened with our caregiver.

I asked what vax and finally found out it's Moderna (Rite Aid).

Just heard from a friend that got one today at a drive-up this morning, no problem.  It was Pfizer.  Same guy was turned away from a different drive up just days before.

So in a 3 days I've gone from thinking I was months away to more or less having a choice between the two.

 

I know it's Coke or Pepsi but having read only parts of this thread, is there a prevailing MODERNA or PFIZER preference here?  Just curious, thanks.

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8 hours ago, Rodrigo Duterte said:

Was scheduled for tomorrow but got a text from Rite Aid changing it to Saturday.   Then got a call tonight from the actual pharmacist saying it was back on at the original time.  Same thing happened with our caregiver.

I asked what vax and finally found out it's Moderna (Rite Aid).

Just heard from a friend that got one today at a drive-up this morning, no problem.  It was Pfizer.  Same guy was turned away from a different drive up just days before.

So in a 3 days I've gone from thinking I was months away to more or less having a choice between the two.

 

I know it's Coke or Pepsi but having read only parts of this thread, is there a prevailing MODERNA or PFIZER preference here?  Just curious, thanks.

I think they are both miracles, but if given the choice I would take the Pfizer, just because it is three weeks between shots instead of four for Moderna.  That's one week sooner to full effect! You can't make a bad choice.

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I'm volunteering for the FEMA site Fri/Sat.  I do this with a small chance I get the leftovers, if in fact there are any.  If there is a FEMA site in your area find out if they offer the same thing.

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On 2/22/2021 at 8:39 AM, Nathan R. Jessep said:

Was supposed to have mine Thursday, but waiting on a re-schedule. A good many of my co-workers have gotten it (almost all were Pfizer, a few were Moderna) and I'd say it's about 50/50 on reactions. About half ran fever and had fatigue/headache/nausea type symptoms and the others had just some mild fatigue only. 

Walked in to re-schedule yesterday and ended up getting dose #2 on site around 5PM. As of this post, no effects whatsoever, other than sore injection site. 

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15 minutes ago, Nathan R. Jessep said:

Walked in to re-schedule yesterday and ended up getting dose #2 on site around 5PM. As of this post, no effects whatsoever, other than sore injection site. 

There's kind of a thought out there that something like 8 out of 10 people will have a severe reaction to their second does (whether Moderna or Pfizer). "Severe" here being defined as "something beyond soreness at the injection site; something you'll feel the next day or two and will keep you sick from work or other activities".

By that definition, what's our spitball figure for what percentage experiences a severe second-shot reaction? One in ten? One in four? Something else?

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7 minutes ago, Doug B said:

There's kind of a thought out there that something like 8 out of 10 people will have a severe reaction to their second does (whether Moderna or Pfizer). "Severe" here being defined as "something beyond soreness at the injection site; something you'll feel the next day or two and will keep you sick from work or other activities".

By that definition, what's our spitball figure for what percentage experiences a severe second-shot reaction? One in ten? One in four? Something else?

I honestly didn't know what to expect after polling those I know over the last 4-6 weeks. It's all over the place, and as I stated above it's about 50/50 on some effects (flu like symptoms, low fever, fatigue, etc.) vs. no effects (other than arm soreness, 100% have had that). I very rarely get sick (*knocks on wood*) and have never had the flu or a flu vaccine, so was very curious to see how this affected me. So far, so good. 

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3 hours ago, worrierking said:

I think they are both miracles, but if given the choice I would take the Pfizer, just because it is three weeks between shots instead of four for Moderna.  That's one week sooner to full effect! You can't make a bad choice.

Thanks for the reply.  I ended up digging around for the minor differences.  I noted yours but since we've come this far, decided an extra week (for the booster) is nothing at this point.  I actually prefer Moderna slightly, due to better results vs the UK variant, although it obviously doesn't matter.

The other difference in the two which gave me a slight Moderna lean was the storage.  The Pfizer vax and its necessity for more stringent measures with the very low temps, along with the smaller window for administration, simply made me feel there's more, but very slight, chance for human error with all the logistics involved.  I mean, who's on the stopwatch during each next step before it hits your arm?  I did see that some of those restrictions for storage have been loosened, but it's just not as easy as Moderna's.  Again, super duper slim chance of anything mattering so whatever.

Pfizer does have a slightly higher efficacy rate, and I think that's why some tend to prefer that one (and the name?).  However it's less than one percentage point and we are talking mid 90's already, so that's a total wash for me.

To reiterate, all VERY minor, silly stuff, I couldn't be happier, just curious.  It was kind of fun/interesting to learn more about it is all.

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All things being equal I'd rather take the moderna also both for the storage constraints and the titrated dosage in the second shot.  To be honest I'm not sure if Pfizer does same on 2nd shot but they easily could.

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On 2/21/2021 at 7:49 PM, Penguin said:

Has anyone gotten the 2nd dose of Pfizer yet? I'm curious as to how the felt afterwards.

 

I got my 2nd Pfizer dose yesterday morning. The injected area is somewhat sore (slightly more than after the first dose) but that's been about my only side effect thus far. I'm in my early 60's, if that matters.

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So got an email yesterday that a kid on my sons middle school basketball team tested positive over the weekend. Last time they were together was last Wednesday at a game. They wear masks while playing, are separated on the bus with windows open. School said they need to quarantine through this Friday unless he had a negative test then he could return for his normal hybrid days of Thursday and Friday. He is feeling fine but since he is supposed to have a soccer tournament Saturday and Sunday (assuming snow melts) I thought might as well go get a rapid test tomorrow and be sure he is ok to play this weekend and he could get his two days of in person school in as well (he does much better in person and has been losing days because of the snow).

The local hospital has a rapid testing clinic set up, I call to get an appointment and I'm told that they won't test him because without symptoms they won't test until after 10 days from exposure because it could take that long to develop symptoms. I'm like that makes no sense, why would anyone that had no symptoms get tested 10 days after exposure when the quarantine is up? Explain again that the school nurses email said after 5 days if you get a negative test you are considered cleared, they say their guideline is to tell people to quarantine 10 days no matter if you get a negative test or not and they will only test with symptoms.

So you try and do the right thing, follow the guidelines and go get a test as an extra precaution and they won't let you. It's no wonder people don't follow the rules. For what it is worth I did find another rapid testing center that is no appointment required and a drive thru so I'll be taking him tomorrow. Difference is this is a lab and not hospital affiliated so no insurance I have to pay $85.

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16 minutes ago, PinkydaPimp said:

For those who had the second injection. Did you get it in the same arm as the first?  Switch it up?

Just got my 2nd dose today, same arm

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My daughter threw up Sunday night. Didn't feel too bad though. No fever, no other symptoms other than some light diarrhea. 

Took her to get tested.... positive. 

So, now we are quarantined. Wife gets two weeks of vacation (sick time... but she has like 6 months worth built up so no biggie). 

My stomach has been uneasy since Sunday but other than that I feel fine. My wife has had some minor throat things but felt fine. Neither of us would think anything other about how we felt other than just normal life but now we are wondering if we have it too or not. 

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Got the Moderna today and man what a great pharmacist.  If you read up thread, I got a text that I was to be delayed 5 days.  Then that night I got a phone call, direct from the pharmacist, saying my shot was back on.  Well, there was indeed a delay, however she gave out her reserves or whatever to customers, instead.

Long story short, her own 2nd shot was scheduled for Friday, along with staff.  But they only have enough left for today and tomorrow.  So she put herself and staff at the end of the line and honored the current appointments until there will be more vaccines.

Yes, those boosters can get done at a later date but still, it's the principle and how she went about the situation that was selfless.  Very cool.

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On 2/22/2021 at 7:48 AM, jobarules said:

If you go on NY state vaccine website, its says no vaccines available at any of their vaccine sites until April 16th. They even blame the shortage on supply issues right there on the website.

I could be wrong but I highly doubt NY is booked April 16th, it may just look that way. Our system is the same way but we only book one week ahead. With the supply like it is now, we barely can guarantee through the next week and preparing for even more uncertainty. With delays from the storm a lot of places are catching up on rescheduled appointments before putting new ones out.

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31 minutes ago, Rodrigo Duterte said:

Got the Moderna today and man what a great pharmacist.  If y read upthread, I got a text that I was to be delayed 5 days.  Then that night I got a phone call, direct from the pharmacist, saying my shot was back on.  Well, long story short, there was indeed a delay, however she gave out her reserves or whatever to customers, instead.

Long story short, her 2nd shot was scheduled for Friday, along with staff.  But they only have enough left for today and tomorrow.  So she put herself and staff at the end of the line and honored the current appointments until there there will be no more vax left (tomorrow).

Yes, those boosters can get done at a later date but still, it's the principle and how she went about the situation that was selfless.  Very cool.

Exactly what I’d hope most places would do. We keep employees separate off the schedule and just fit them in when we have no shows or extra doses once they are in their window.

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14 hours ago, PinkydaPimp said:

For those who had the second injection. Did you get it in the same arm as the first?  Switch it up?

I thought about it before the shot. Went with same arm. Mild soreness, but it seems to be less than the first one. The shot itself was nearly 100% pain free. So maybe it just hit in a little less sensitive spot this time. 

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20 hours ago, SwampDawg said:

So got an email yesterday that a kid on my sons middle school basketball team tested positive over the weekend. Last time they were together was last Wednesday at a game. They wear masks while playing, are separated on the bus with windows open. School said they need to quarantine through this Friday unless he had a negative test then he could return for his normal hybrid days of Thursday and Friday. He is feeling fine but since he is supposed to have a soccer tournament Saturday and Sunday (assuming snow melts) I thought might as well go get a rapid test tomorrow and be sure he is ok to play this weekend and he could get his two days of in person school in as well (he does much better in person and has been losing days because of the snow).

The local hospital has a rapid testing clinic set up, I call to get an appointment and I'm told that they won't test him because without symptoms they won't test until after 10 days from exposure because it could take that long to develop symptoms. I'm like that makes no sense, why would anyone that had no symptoms get tested 10 days after exposure when the quarantine is up? Explain again that the school nurses email said after 5 days if you get a negative test you are considered cleared, they say their guideline is to tell people to quarantine 10 days no matter if you get a negative test or not and they will only test with symptoms.

So you try and do the right thing, follow the guidelines and go get a test as an extra precaution and they won't let you. It's no wonder people don't follow the rules. For what it is worth I did find another rapid testing center that is no appointment required and a drive thru so I'll be taking him tomorrow. Difference is this is a lab and not hospital affiliated so no insurance I have to pay $85.

I've heard this a few times around here. The simple way around is say the kid has a fever and get the test. Is it right? No, you're lying about it but is it right that they are imposing a silly requirement of 10 days wait? Screw it, testing is plentiful enough now.

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FDA releases the analysis that they will use to vote on giving gives J&J vax EUA (vote on Friday... or Saturday... or sometime to be determined later at their convenience).

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15 hours ago, Chadstroma said:

My daughter threw up Sunday night. Didn't feel too bad though. No fever, no other symptoms other than some light diarrhea. 

Took her to get tested.... positive. 

So, now we are quarantined. Wife gets two weeks of vacation (sick time... but she has like 6 months worth built up so no biggie). 

My stomach has been uneasy since Sunday but other than that I feel fine. My wife has had some minor throat things but felt fine. Neither of us would think anything other about how we felt other than just normal life but now we are wondering if we have it too or not. 

How old is your daughter?  Is she in school?

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9 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Yeah, you're right.  Channeling @IvanKaramazov, if the analysis is complete and published, why can't they give EUA today?  Why wait another 2-3 days?

:lmao: I actually thought about dropping in to post something along these lines earlier this morning but thought "Nah, no need to be a broken record about it."  

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1 hour ago, The Z Machine said:

FDA gives J&J vax EUA.

Truly infuriating to me how this is getting reported. Had 3 friends text me today about the 66-75% efficacy thing. How it’s less than Moderna and Phizer. The headlines leave out the fact that if you get the vax you will not die from covid. 
 

You see, covid is bad because it kills people. Why is this not the screaming headlines?

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19 minutes ago, Capella said:

Truly infuriating to me how this is getting reported. Had 3 friends text me today about the 66-75% efficacy thing. How it’s less than Moderna and Phizer. The headlines leave out the fact that if you get the vax you will not die from covid. 
 

You see, covid is bad because it kills people. Why is this not the screaming headlines?

I though it was also bad because of the long term effects?

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1 hour ago, Capella said:

Truly infuriating to me how this is getting reported. Had 3 friends text me today about the 66-75% efficacy thing. How it’s less than Moderna and Phizer. The headlines leave out the fact that if you get the vax you will not die from covid. 
 

You see, covid is bad because it kills people. Why is this not the screaming headlines?

The ‘not dying’ is a little too simplistic but considering the reduction of severe illness and hospitalizations is more important than the percentage effective. It’s not as great but still great in terms of what really matters on the goal of returning to normal.

Give two doses to medium-high risk people - anyone 55+, high risk health conditions or high exposure jobs. Everyone else give Johnson and Johnson or consider delaying the second dose of Moderna/Pfizer.

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Went on Safeway's website this morning and they had appointments for this afternoon--so I am going to get mine here in a few hours. My wife already completed her two doses. Now we are going to stick our 16 year old on a waiting list. 

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5 minutes ago, Biff84 said:

The ‘not dying’ is a little too simplistic but considering the reduction of severe illness and hospitalizations is more important than the percentage effective. It’s not as great but still great in terms of what really matters on the goal of returning to normal.

Give two doses to medium-high risk people - anyone 55+, high risk health conditions or high exposure jobs. Everyone else give Johnson and Johnson or consider delaying the second dose of Moderna/Pfizer.

My Mother, and others like her, want to wait for JnN because they trust the brand.  Amazing how strong and lasting good marketing can be, I mean we are talking decades here.  Could have been vaxed by now, but no.

BTW, any opinion (looking at you too, @Terminalxylem) on what to do about her? She has had severe reactions to things like vaccines in the past, as well as her brother.  Hyper thyroid.  Like her system goes full bore on attack and overdoes it.  So that's why she's waiting this vax thing out still, although inching closer as time goes on.

From my limited reading, I believe the Moderna has been a little easier on people with allergic reactions and stuff, no?  What about JnJ?

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34 minutes ago, jobarules said:

I thought even asymptomatic and mild symptom cases were turning into long haulers.

I don’t have stats at the ready, but I really do believe the popular media is exaggerating this big time. Would love to learn more or see better more conclusive data somewhere. The popular media largely serves up (a) personal anecdotes and/or (b) heavily bowdlerized and equivocal statements from researchers.

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29 minutes ago, Rodrigo Duterte said:

My Mother, and others like her, want to wait for JnN because they trust the brand.  Amazing how strong and lasting good marketing can be, I mean we are talking decades here.  Could have been vaxed by now, but no.

BTW, any opinion (looking at you too, @Terminalxylem) on what to do about her? She has had severe reactions to things like vaccines in the past, as well as her brother.  Hyper thyroid.  Like her system goes full bore on attack and overdoes it.  So that's why she's waiting this vax thing out still, although inching closer as time goes on.

From my limited reading, I believe the Moderna has been a little easier on people with allergic reactions and stuff, no?  What about JnJ?

Neither vaccine is proving to have high incidence of allergic reactions. I think one study showed under 100 for each one out of millions of shots given.

With a history of severe reaction to vaccines, I’d recommend talking it over with her doctor first and get their recommendation. I’d also try to get the vaccine in a more controlled clinic setting rather than a pharmacy or mass vaccination site. We’re keeping an eye on everyone but with her history, I’d want a little bit more.

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44 minutes ago, jobarules said:

How do they possibly know that? I thought even asymptomatic and mild symptom cases were turning into long haulers.

While true that it happens and it’s not fully understood why, one theory that COVID causes severe damage in most but those with a healthy immune system are able to compensate and show minimal symptoms. The damage is still there leading to long hauler symptoms and permanent damage.

Likewise the vaccine still has a lot of long term questions. It’s believed that the vaccine won’t prevent getting infected but it will allow the immune system to stop the infection from progressing to the point where it causes serious symptoms. So far studies have shown decreases in deaths, severe illness and symptomatic infections. There’s still questions like you brought up if it will prevent long term complications and how long immunity lasts from the vaccinations.

Beyond the prevention of symptoms, severe illness and death, the body being able to clear the infection quickly likely will lead a shorter contagious period and less opportunity for the virus to mutation.

There’s a lot to be excited about and I’d say that if everything proves to be as good as it sounds we’re looking at a halfway normal summer.

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3 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

How old is your daughter?  Is she in school?

She is 9. Younger brothers of 7 and 5. Her and the 7 year old go to school and then after care with the 5 year old at his preschool. 

The 7 year old was tested today and is positive as well. No symptoms at all. My wife and I think we have it. My stomach has been semi uneasy since Sunday... nothing normally I would even worry about at all. My wife has had some sinus issues which are not uncommon for her but take those with both of our kids being sick that are usually on top of us and then if she got it or I got it, not sure how we could not pass to the other unless we were naturally immune or something. 

I am 90% sure they got it from school. They had previously quarantined two of the classes in her grade. Now all of her grade and 5th grade is quarantined (seems like an outbreak to me) and they will need to quarantine the 7 year olds class too. 

My 5 year old has been at preschool maybe like a total of 5 days for the last two months of him or his siblings not feeling well and then having to stay away for 10 days. 

So... all in all, 2 of the 3 kids tested positive. Suspect we all have it. Grand sum of symptoms is my daughter throwing up once and having an uneasy stomach. Maybe very minor symptoms for my wife and me. Quarantined for the next couple of weeks and wife is getting about a month of time off (paid sick time). 

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3 hours ago, Capella said:

Truly infuriating to me how this is getting reported. Had 3 friends text me today about the 66-75% efficacy thing. How it’s less than Moderna and Phizer. The headlines leave out the fact that if you get the vax you will not die from covid. 
 

You see, covid is bad because it kills people. Why is this not the screaming headlines?

The fda was shooting for 50% ... The flu vaccine is ~50%

It's around 72% on the us strain. But you are freaking right. I won't die good enough for me 

We moved to vaccine shaming lol

 

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2 hours ago, Rodrigo Duterte said:

My Mother, and others like her, want to wait for JnN because they trust the brand.  Amazing how strong and lasting good marketing can be, I mean we are talking decades here.  Could have been vaxed by now, but no.

BTW, any opinion (looking at you too, @Terminalxylem) on what to do about her? She has had severe reactions to things like vaccines in the past, as well as her brother.  Hyper thyroid.  Like her system goes full bore on attack and overdoes it.  So that's why she's waiting this vax thing out still, although inching closer as time goes on.

From my limited reading, I believe the Moderna has been a little easier on people with allergic reactions and stuff, no?  What about JnJ?

@Biff84covered it. Allergic reactions haven’t been common.

Specifically for you mom, what type of reactions has she had? IgE mediated stuff like anaphylaxis , hives, throat/mouth swelling and neurologic syndromes like Gillain-Barre are most relevant. If she hasn’t had any of those, she probably has no need to worry (even if she has, I’d want to know which vaccine(s) gave her trouble).

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In the J&J trials, there were no hospitalizations or deaths at all in the vaccine arm. Sign me up.

Keep in mind, vaccine trials for the 3 vaccines took place at different times and in different countries. The efficacy % they quote is not directly comparable across vaccines. There are also different efficacy %'s by country. Bottom line the J&J vaccine is good to go, so let's go already.

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