msommer
Footballguy
We certainly spread a lot of diseases over the years. Mostly STDs thoughUnknown origin.
ETA: In fact, I'm working on a theory it was.....the Danes.
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Does China owe the world for the COVID-19 cover-up? Anything or nothing? (1 Viewer)
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
They will get those checks out right after the bubonic plague stimulus checks are approved.
msommer
Footballguy
No need to wait, y'all aren't really eligible, I mean, being a colony at the time
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Ooof. Attempting to rewrite history I see. We get it - America Bad.
IIRC, you're not from America, are you?
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
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rockaction
Footballguy
Fascinating article. Thoughtful dissent is so rare that it's wonderful to see when its power is harnessed for good. That effect of the thoughtful dissenter is a rather rare and powerful thing in the world; not unlike a beautiful bird taking flight against a bright blue sky.
Truth needs only the words to be softly and humbly spoken to have an effect on the soul, on the moral fiber of our beings that all evidence points to existing in our human experience, however imperfectly.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Thoughtful dissent against China in country is very rare as those types are usually eliminated fast by the government.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes. Authoritarian countries have seen toleration of dissent take root and kick out the rot of illegitimacy in the late 20th Century and have learned from that. Iran has done the same with their dissidents. Anyone hell-bent on authoritarian regimes never found it easier than jails and lip service before the human rights commissions they often serve as part of within international/diplomatic channels and organizations, like say, the U.N.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
That is why the Chinese people only get state controlled news. Otherwise the government would never be able to control the population.
I know Chinese people that have been in the USA for 20 years and they still look around and whisper when talking about how bad the Chinese government is.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Good info here on the Chinese cover-up campaign.
I have been going to news sources outside the USA for different views.
I have been going to news sources outside the USA for different views.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Yep. I have two acquaintances living in China who say that the government has been outright blaming the US for Covid in the broadcast news and print
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Over 200,000 dead worldwide now. The timeline of the coverup allowed this pandemic to spread. A doctor was on TV last night saying even a week or two of coverup would allow a worldwide infection rate as thousands a day were still traveling in and out of China.BladeRunner said:
This is not even about just the USA, this should be a worldwide investigation. When all is said and done we could be looking at more than half a million dead and a pandemic issue that will stay with us forever impacting us today and our children's futures as well.
The worst part was China hoarding masks and protective gear from other unknowing countries while this was spreading like wildfire.
rcam
Footballguy
Sigh... the US has known about this for months and we still don't have the capability to test and trace. We still don't have the PPE we need. We still don't have a standardized national response. We have a President that has literally claimed no responsibility and that his job is to be a cheerleader - a cheerleader. He has done nothing but lie and give false hope rather than actually taking the reins and doing something good for this country. At what point is this China's fault? I am not excusing their lying and cover ups but they didn't prevent us from taking care of ourselves. Since when did we take China's word for gospel?
Our own government is firing and demoting people who are speaking the truth about this virus and what we should do. They are playing down the numbers and the seriousness. At some point, we need to stop playing the victim and start trying to control what we can control. A week or two coverup is horrible... but it has been weeks and we *still* don't have a national response. Nothing. We have an idiot that talks about how things are going to just fix themselves or that there is going to be some miracle cure.
Am I mad at China - yes. But I am more mad at the incompetence shown by our federal government. We are led by a lying, narcissistic, corrupt coward yet a huge percentage of the population thinks he is the greatest. This is the United States there is no excuse to be in the position we are in now.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
At what point?? Are you serious? Any point after 2 weeks of thousands of people doing international travel without knowing was too late to stop this. This is not about just the USA, this has been a global disaster.
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rcam
Footballguy
But it is a disaster in the USA because of the federal government's inability or unwillingness to act. The spread of misinformation has done nothing but hurt us. Pitting idiots against the people trying to keep you safe isn't exactly great either. All of that lies at the feet of our President. He doesn't want to take responsibility and just wants to be a cheerleader... pfft.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
You keep mentioning the US or us, this is not about focusing on the US or only us. This is about the global disaster this coverup has caused. I have family in other places besides the US as do others.
rcam
Footballguy
I am not disagreeing with this but the cover up wasn't the sole cause of the global disaster. It was merely a piece. It would've been a fairly insignificant piece on this side of the pond if our federal government would've taken it seriously. They didn't. As far as I can tell, they still aren't - or at least they aren't doing anything nationally about it. As I have mentioned before, we watched, in real time, China build hospitals. We watched them lock down - to an extent far greater than anything we have even considered here - millions of people. We heard people whistleblowing and get silenced or punished (that has happened here as well I might add). China lied but I don't take just take the word of a known liar and neither should the US, I look at their actions as well. It would be nice if Trump supporters took that to heart sometime as that applies to him just as much as China.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I am not a Trump supporter, nor is this about Trump or non-Trump supporters.
Again, read the thread title.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Chinese government trying to "Control the COVID-19 story" detaining people who deviate from the state story.
There will be some missing lawyers and journalists soon in China.
There will be some missing lawyers and journalists soon in China.
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Well it is going to be interesting on how this plays out as this story keeps unfolding. It will be very tough getting much news out as China will control the narrative or kill people in the know.Summer Wheat said:
275,000 people worldwide dead and probably many more as some places like Iran are under reporting and getting ravished by Covid.
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rcam
Footballguy
Meh, don't believe everything you read. While the disease may have not originated in China (possible, but probably not likely) the rest of the article is conjecture with no logical refutation of what we actually see happening.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Democrats back growing calls for Congress to probe lab leak theory
By Andrew Desiderio and Erin Banco 28 mins ago
Support is growing in Congress for a probe of the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic, an effort that could pit Democratic lawmakers against the Biden administration as China hawks draw new attention to the theory that the virus leaked from a Wuhan lab.
By Andrew Desiderio and Erin Banco 28 mins ago
Support is growing in Congress for a probe of the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic, an effort that could pit Democratic lawmakers against the Biden administration as China hawks draw new attention to the theory that the virus leaked from a Wuhan lab.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Wait - didn't the Democrats and their cohorts in the MSM call that theory "debunked" and a "right-wing conspiracy"? Didn't they defend China in this entire thing?
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Refreshing to have a group able to change their minds as information is learned isnt it?
Well yeah, just look back in this thread.
The real downfall of this forum is posters that got run off by the woke mob like Lod did. Turns out Lod is 100% correct and everyone that mocked him should be the ones eating a big helping of bat crow right now.
rockaction
Footballguy
No. It speaks to a huge problem in the first place. You thought the calls to recount and audit the election were fraudulent? Well, when you run around calling entirely plausible things "conspiracy-mongering" and worthy of excrement, you're going to get excrement back.Refreshing to have a group able to change their minds as information is learned isnt it?
The Commish
Footballguy
This doesn't seem to have anything to do with my comment rather the "### for tat" nature of politics in this country which are objectively pathetic and disgusting. I have no earthly idea how else to explain why elections were even brought into my comment. The two events are completely independent of each other.No. It speaks to a huge problem in the first place. You thought the calls to recount and audit the election were fraudulent? Well, when you run around calling entirely plausible things "conspiracy-mongering" and worthy of excrement, you're going to get excrement back.Refreshing to have a group able to change their minds as information is learned isnt it?
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I don't know of a lot of experts that were calling the lab leak theory a conspiracy theory. They have consistently said there is no evidence that supports that theory at the time. That zoonotic transmission was the more likely cause primarily because almost all past covid outbreaks have been zoonotic in nature. This pandemic isn't unique.
Personally I think the trouble came with Trump. It's the same with bleach and Hydroxychloroquine - if you have the most powerful man in the world amplifying extremely ignorant opinions like they are facts there is going to have to be a push back
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rockaction
Footballguy
Not in the least. That's completely myopic. If you can't see how the establishment media is calling both of these things "right-wing conspiracy theories" and then having to retract one of those claims is damaging to their cause, then I don't see what there is to say.
rockaction
Footballguy
I never said "experts." I'm talking about the Democratic-media establishment complex that repeatedly hollered one down, took one's posts off of facebook and Twitter, just generally was going to see to it that these things didn't gain traction in popular consciousness.
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The Commish
Footballguy
I wasn't talking about our media. I apologize, I should have been specific there. I was talking about our leadership in DC. I don't consume the media in this country outside my local news, so I couldn't tell you what they're saying and I couldn't care less what they're saying. It's all garbage designed to farm your time. You should quit giving them what they want if you genuinely think they are that bad.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I'm not worried what the media is selling me, Commish, I'm worried about what's it's selling other people that I am bound to by virtue of my citizenship in the same country as others that are getting fed outright slanted news. To wit: If eighty percent of the people in the country vote a certain way after being programmed with what is essentially rubbish, what to do when their vote affects me? Simply not partaking is not a choice that will yield any sort of results, especially since law is compulsory. One may be through with politics as they see fit, politics is not through with them. So it is with mass media in America.
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The Commish
Footballguy
Made some edits for accuracy after you quoted me. In my view, the best thing to do is stop obsessing over the media in this country and provide alternate sources that are far more accurate. That's about all you can do. Lead them to water and all that. Of course, NONE of what we're talking about goes to the point I made, so another thing you can do is address what I actually said and not automatically insert things I didn't into the conversation and conflate the point being made.
I think it's rather refreshing to see a group of people say they are willing to change direction based on information presented in the past. I don't know why anyone would have an issue with that. Even if you insist on talking about the media in this and 80% were "programmed" to think X by the media, if they are as mindless as you claim, don't you think it stands to reason that the same 80% would be programmed to think Y once the media starts feeding them the new narrative?
Sure. Changing their minds had nothing whatsoever to do with politics or the election.Refreshing to have a group able to change their minds as information is learned isnt it?
The Commish
Footballguy
Dunno...kinda don't care. They show they are capable. That's a baby step in the right direction given our current situation.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
You mean the Dems used Covid for their political gain in an election year and now are pretty much saying what the right said last year? But nice spinRefreshing to have a group able to change their minds as information is learned isnt it?
Thanks Tony. Not run off exactly though. Just no reason to post here much anymore. Common sense here is severely lacking.
The Commish
Footballguy
Again, I don't care why they are changing their tune in this instance. I just care that they are. It's a baby step forward out of our prior situation.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yes, not important who or what killed her, so long as we're headed in the right direction now and you served your jail time.
The Commish
Footballguy
No idea what murder/manslaughter (whatever legal term you want to use here) has to do with this
What I can say is I am a BIG FAN of the rule of law....you do the crime, you do the time.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, if falsely accused that sounds DAMN STRAIGHT like law and order to me. Justly done. Justly fact-checked. Justly printed and run with.No idea what murder/manslaughter (whatever legal term you want to use here) has to do with this
The Commish
Footballguy
sorry....I continue to have no idea what you are saying here. If this is a continued complaint about our media outlets, you're preaching the choir. Don't consume them is all I can say.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
3,500,000 people worlwide have died from COVID. If this is found out to have been developed in a lab there has to be serious consequences worldwide. Is China too powerful to stand up to though is the question?
The NBA is in bed with China. Hollywood is in bed with China. John Cena had to make a public apology to China for calling Taiwain a country. Cena "I am very,very sorry and made a mistake. I love and respect China and their people"
The NBA is in bed with China. Hollywood is in bed with China. John Cena had to make a public apology to China for calling Taiwain a country. Cena "I am very,very sorry and made a mistake. I love and respect China and their people"
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
China holds a trillion in US debt.
Maybe just call that one even and we go forward
Maybe just call that one even and we go forward
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