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Wait, are you saying that trained health professionals might have a better informed opinion than a politician or some keyboard warrior on the internet when it comes to health related matters? CAREFUL, you are approaching a very slippery slope. At least to some people.
Was he running for Senate or President? Was he running against Bush or Trump? Joe doesn't know.
This thread is supposed to be a discussion about healing and moving forward. Perhaps your responses would be better suited to a different discussion.
@Joe Bryant it looks like your friends are right. A new Reuters poll out this morning says that nearly 80% of Americans believe that Biden won the election:
This includes 60% of Republicans. I’ve read about two polls on this. One at 30% of Republicans and this one at 60%. That’s such a huge difference that I don’t know what to believe yet.
You are correct, though in the post right above yours, Tim linked an article where almost 80% of Americans believe Biden won, which is a good first step if true(polls are weird now). There is still a lot that has to happen, but everything in good time.
This is what I meant when I wrote that people don’t know what they believe. My assumption is that both polls are true, that many Republicans believe that the election was stolen from Trump, and that Biden won the election. If that seems contradictory, well, people are contradictory.
This is obviously true...the problem then becomes a moral one that those people get really pissy about when brought to their attention. This is exactly why I've chosen to put my moral compass before my political desires. I simply can't get on board with moral corruption simply because the person shares the same political desire.
Bottomfeeder Sports said:
I think it's exactly this. A ton of this is about US. We control how we move forward. We can be proactive. It's why I loved Buttigieg's post about connecting with a friend or loved one that voted differently. Not to talk politics. But to rekindle and remind yourself of why you love them in the first place.
This is something I’ve given a lot of thought to. And I have wondered...if we somehow managed to split into 2 countries, say the “LSA” and “CSA”, how long would each country be happy until they each found something else to get divided by? I think it’s just in our nature to divide ourselves into teams and compete. Like the old Emo Phillips joke.
I'll tell you what to believe from polls.Juxtatarot said:
This part I strongly disagree with.
I know I mentioned it earlier, but we managed to "heal" even though a huge portion of the country were horribly racist and angry that black people were being allowed to go to the same schools and their kids, and eat in the same diners and live in the same neighborhoods. And a huge portion of the country was abused so much that they couldn't walk into the the same businesses as other citizens without fear for their safety.
I think it's contextual. The vast majority of this forum is the Non Trumper side. We all pretty much understand ourselves.
I’m with you. While it’s certainly ok to avoid discussion of political “topics”, if offensive and/or inane rhetoric is mentioned, one can only sit in silence for so long before you’re complicit with what’s being said. Fortunately, there is a subset of people on the other “side” who can disagree respectfully and accept people who don’t share their worldview, but that number is dropping by the minute.
See now this writer, Jamie Davis Smith is the prototypical fearful lib.....totally bought into the narrative that Trump is purely evil......no thanks
Can you elaborate on why you think that number is dropping?
He was responding to the Buttigieg tweet: "If someone you love and care about voted the other way, today might be a good day to reach out. Not to talk politics, but to talk about things that will remind them (and yourself) why you love and care about them."
Absolutely. But the unfortunate reality is, both liberals and conservatives will look at this statement thinking they’re the ones who know the facts, and the other guys are acting on emotion.
Because there’s no reason to believe increasing privatization of healthcare will help.
I know plenty of folks liberal, and conservative.....smart folks......who are convinced they know the truth, and they are convinced the other side is insane.....they are at COMPLETE odds on everything EXCEPT they pretty much want the same things......it's all based on fear, and it's only getting worse.
True. I tell my kids often “there are three sides to every story - yours, mine, and reality.”
Physicians or not, your friends are acting up, as there is no way they could diagnose dementia based on what we know about Biden’s mental acuity.
I agree, that's why I didn't isolate a particular side. Regardless of your politics, if your stance is rooted in your feelings then you are part of the problem. The powers that be are playing you like a fiddle.
I understand. Focusing on shared values and reasons we love one another is great, but it will never address key differences which divide us.
On top of that, so many people now seem to be incapable of considering the fact they may not have perfect and complete knowledge on something. It's arrogance.
I disagree. I think it's a great way to further the relationship and allow discussion of differences. I think it's miles above just a nice gesture. I think a shared caring for each other is foundational
Yeah. Another way to think of it is playing the long game. We all want to win arguments and debates now, today. We want others to accept our viewpoints immediately in the moment. But it doesn’t work that way. The Grand Canyon wasn’t carved out of stone overnight.
Agreed. I think that's a big part of it. We all want gratification and comfort now.
If the courts fail to recognize the fraud and grant Trump re-election, do you think there will still be civil war?
You mean execpt for every other country that has better results at much lower costs. If you exclude that and the rest of the rhetoric, you might be on to something.
