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QB Zach Wilson, DEN (2 Viewers)
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Zyphros
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And Brady is super stiff. So what?
This is what always gives me concern pre-draft. All the hype around these QB's about how athletic and "loose" they are. It's literally one of the last things I'd look for. I just want smart decisions, going through his reads, good arm, and leadership. He has the arm, I'll give him that. But I've seen multiple places question his decision making and leadership.
I'm a huge fan of what he can do, but he's a project.
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He was very impressive. Liked the range of speeds and trajectories. Makes me wonder if he isn’t better talent than Lawrence. Certainly a closer debate now after that throwing session. Jets probably take him. Deal Darnold.
rockaction
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Don't buy the professional gripers who complain about Fields being labeled a "one-read" quarterback. They think it's a dog whistle for "He's black, therefore he can't go through progressions quickly" which would be a silly dog whistle if the old charges about racism and black quarterbacks weren't so true. But they are. So people look for lazy criticisms that, while neutral on the surface, look like racial judgments. "One-read quarterback" is one of those. So here's what I do: I take with a grain of salt people who are trying to be contrarian to the accepted narrative, too. So I have everyone on blast, really, when it comes to that issue and the best way to judge it is to find guys who say what they see without prejudice one way or the other.
In this case, I don't buy the counter-criticism. It seems to me that Fields stares down his receivers and doesn't get rid of the ball quickly at all. I can see where people have called him a "one-read" guy. Then again, some people have said his length of time in getting rid of the ball is elongated because tOSU runs a pro-style offense and his receivers are running read-and-react routes that take longer to develop downfield. That may be. But I think before one approaches the conventional narrative, one must also remember that the contrarians to that narrative have their own biases and reasoning for saying what they say, too. Traditionally lazy racial analysis happens, and it is unfortunate (Doug Farrar pointed out that someone the other day was criticizing Trey Lance using Jameis Winston as an example when the quarterbacks are anything but similar) but when or if a guy can't seem to progress off of one read, nobody should be doubting the merits based on a possible dog whistle effect.
This of course, only implicates the Fields portion of Nguyen's analysis and not the Wilson part. Wilson might be a one-read guy for all I know. All I know is that I'd check the source and the source's history before I'd take anybody's opinions about racially sensitive matters as a "fact." The whole thing becomes suspect once you're aware of the narrative and the subculture infighting going on around it.
In this case, I don't buy the counter-criticism. It seems to me that Fields stares down his receivers and doesn't get rid of the ball quickly at all. I can see where people have called him a "one-read" guy. Then again, some people have said his length of time in getting rid of the ball is elongated because tOSU runs a pro-style offense and his receivers are running read-and-react routes that take longer to develop downfield. That may be. But I think before one approaches the conventional narrative, one must also remember that the contrarians to that narrative have their own biases and reasoning for saying what they say, too. Traditionally lazy racial analysis happens, and it is unfortunate (Doug Farrar pointed out that someone the other day was criticizing Trey Lance using Jameis Winston as an example when the quarterbacks are anything but similar) but when or if a guy can't seem to progress off of one read, nobody should be doubting the merits based on a possible dog whistle effect.
This of course, only implicates the Fields portion of Nguyen's analysis and not the Wilson part. Wilson might be a one-read guy for all I know. All I know is that I'd check the source and the source's history before I'd take anybody's opinions about racially sensitive matters as a "fact." The whole thing becomes suspect once you're aware of the narrative and the subculture infighting going on around it.
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TakiToki
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I'm not gonna pretend I know d about f when it comes to analyzing QBs, but that ball he throws looks pretty sweet. I'm a buyer. Planning to pursue him and Wilson above Lawrence at their respective prices.
ETA: Fields' sweet balls are to what I was referring. I realize now this is the Wilson thread, but I did mention him as well, so I shall leave my exceedingly insightful post here. And I suppose what I said really applies to both anyway
ETA: Fields' sweet balls are to what I was referring. I realize now this is the Wilson thread, but I did mention him as well, so I shall leave my exceedingly insightful post here. And I suppose what I said really applies to both anyway
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rockaction
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Fields is super accurate and throws a mean deep ball, too, according to PFF. I didn't mean to talk down about his abilities. I don't know much about QBs and how they read progressions, either. I was just posting as context behind the assertions and their fallout. There's sort of a thing on Twitter almost condemning that tack on things. Waldman and Bloom wanted him to speed up, or they seemed to say it the other night on their Audible podcast, which was the podcast they expressed serious doubts about Wilson, too. I can only say what I've seen on Twitter and in other places with certainty. I'm not a QB evaluator.
I would gladly take either QB at their price in the rookie drafts upcoming if I didn't already have an elite QB and potentially passable backups (I'm sort of flying solo there) for a game if I need them. Fields is, to me, worth where he's being mocked. Same with Wilson. Same with Lance.
Watching NFLN and I can say I was today's years old when I found out Zach Wilson's uncle is founder of Jet Blue Airlines and probably wealthier then Zach will ever be.
Actually kind of surprised we've not heard character concerns from being wealthy and entitled(please note I'm not saying that in the tiniest bit, saying I'm surprised some people have not started trying to push that narrative)
Actually kind of surprised we've not heard character concerns from being wealthy and entitled(please note I'm not saying that in the tiniest bit, saying I'm surprised some people have not started trying to push that narrative)
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Really, lack of top competition and a huge one year, having done nothing before, usually convinces me to stay away. Not always and it can work out, but those are huge red flags.
