Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
Game theory disagrees. But to concede your point a bit, that doesn't mean everyone in the NFL is smart enough not to let things leak. They most certainly aren't.
Not a good comparison. Lawrence is (was?) by far the consensus #1 player. Letting everyone assume you want Lawrence is fine when there is (was?) such a gap to #2. Until last Friday, there was no consensus #2.
Unless they turned down the Miami package from SF, in which case they pretty much told SF exactly who they were taking, indirectly.
Or you could take it even further that the Jets are 100% set on staying in the #2 spot (especially with a QB needy SF behind them, there's no way they're going to risk losing their qb of choice by trading back a few spots). So by helping SF, you could be hurting Miami, or all the AFC teams that SF might play. Again, it's also not "leaking" info if him and Shanny keep their conversation tight lipped.
It could be relevant that the #1 candidate to acquire Darnold was *also* the 49ers.
Exactly. Many in the football world agree with this, yet the Jets fans just can't seem to wrap their head around it.
Agreed. 100%. I think all the Big Mac talk is coming from the Big Mac camp trying to boost his day 1 value.
Lynch & Shanahan have shown me enough savvy in recent drafts to believe they'll either take Fields at 3 or trade down, like you are suggesting if they really want Mac. I think once they fully digest Fields' tape, they will sprint to the podium to draft him, regardless of the offers coming in. He is an absolute beast IMO. Rough around the edges some, but so are Wilson and that ugly girl who will go #1 - none of these QBs are Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning coming out of college.
Agree that Fields is going to go much higher than many people are suggesting. People calling him a 2nd round guy or think he's sliding down into the double digits are only focusing on the name of his school. I can see him going 2 or 3 for sure.
If we go by ZWK’s grades quite a few of these QB’s had better years last year than Luck’s last year.
How local are you where that's your experience? His pro day was a few days ago and the papers have been talking about him for weeks.
I would be willing to bet any amount of money that Atlanta is not going to trade with Carolina.
I see where you are coming from...but I watched Redskins and Eagles trade with each other...so anything can happen lol
Yes but it's rare and would never do it for an early round stud QB. Big difference between a 57 year old McNabb and the 4th overall pick
In the market. The day after the pro day it was on the back page of Daily News - I’m not saying it’s the first time that Wilson has been mentioned as a target but it was when the momentum began they were “locked in” to Wilson.RUSF18 said:
Hmm, I thought Joe Douglas was the GM, not Saleh. Is Saleh going to piss off his GM by leaking info to another team? Seems unlikely to me.
Again, no reason Joe would be pissed. It doesn't hurt the team at all and could actually help them if they helped sf. Joe is also close with sf's GM. These guys talk. Could also have been a "damn fields and Wilson are both so good, we're locked into one of them. You should trade with Miami so they don't take one".Hmm, I thought Joe Douglas was the GM, not Saleh. Is Saleh going to piss off his GM by leaking info to another team? Seems unlikely to me.
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If Miami wanted one they would take one, not trade out. In fact, one might say that by doing that they would be helping Miami by giving them a trade partner and Miami picking up a bunch of draft capital.
Miami had 4 offers anyways. You could also say it helps by making sure an NFC team gets the 3rd pick.
Unless they love the "4th best" QB in this draft, I think its very likely Atlanta trades down (I'm sure they're already getting inquiries).
Given that the Falcons already have Ryan and their phone is likely ringing off the hook, I see them trading down to scoop up more picks. So IMO QBs will go 1-2-3-4. Lots of mocks have the Bengals taking Sewell, so they will likely stay put and pick him.
1. I'm not in any "cat fight".I bet there is 0.00% chance anyone in here cares about yalls cat fight.
One issue that should be mentioned is Matt Ryan's contract. If he is cut before the 2022 season there is 40 mill in dead cap. So, logic suggests he is the guy for 2 more years. That is also what I said about Wentz before last season, so..........point is, salary cap logic says Ryan is starter for 2 more years.
Why wouldn’t Atlanta want one of them?
I would very much like to see what a Dolphins offense with Pitts and Gesicki would look like.
No, but he will be in a couple years. I’d be none shocked to see them pick Lance/Fields after the Niners.
Like I mentioned with Brady/Garoppolo and Rodgers/Love, there really wasn't a pressing need to draft a QB. The Patriots drafted Jimmy G when Brady was 36. Brady continued to play so well that they couldn't afford to keep both Brady and Garoppolo and they wasted 4 years of having Garoppolo on their roster and couldn't keep him. As it turns out, Garoppolo started two games for NE and basically played 6 halves of football in 4 seasons. A case can certainly be made that NE would have been better off drafting someone else with the pick they used on Garoppolo.
They can play Matt Ryan for two years, get rid of him at 38, and have their starter ready to go, 3 years of control before a contract question.
Sitting the 4th pick in the draft for two years seems like a waste. Ryan is signed for three years. Even if they find a suitor for a 38 year old QB in 2023 (who knows what they could get for him), they would take a $15M cap hit. And the team that acquired him would owe him $28M for only season. Not sure if the trade part would work out, but the overarching point would be having the 4th pick in the draft sitting for 2 seasons seems like a waste of 2 years for someone picked to be a huge impact player.
This just doesn't happen anymore. If you're going QB at pick 4, he's starting this year. MAYBE next year, but no chance 2 years on the bench.
I agree it doesn't happen anymore.
Ya I don't really disagree with the Falcons taking a QB there. But I would be shocked if he didn't see the field for 2.5 years after he was selected #4.
Agree with this, they may not be picking this high again for awhile. There will still be a top flight QB prospect at 4 even if QBs go 1,2,3
They also had Brady. Trying to apply the Pats run to another franchise is folly, take it from a Lions fan that just sat through the Quinn/Patricia debacle
Phillips might not be available later in the draft now. If he passes medicals, the fact is EDGE guys with 10 sacks and freaky workout numbers don't fall.
