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All the posts have counts and comments on them. It's not a mystery. pantherclub
Footballguy
I mean there has to be a way to query total posts over a given time period. You know what I am saying.Of course. The front page is there for everyone to see.
100%. The boards started for many of us when Twitter wasn't even around. There was a time when almost all the writers on Staff were found from the forums. That all happens on Twitter now as that's where the audience is. It's reality. The boards changed from a way to build an audience to a way to foster community. And I think they do that well. I've had tons of folks tell me how they've made friends here and built community. That's way more important to me.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The ***** years were bad, that is for sure. It got ugly here and everywhere. I also saw people posting more vitriol, antagonism and hate than I had ever seen here before. People behaved poorly, flat out.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
100%. I used to get a lot of news, fantasy and otherwise from here. Now that is all on Twitter. As is commentary and well everything. The reason I come here is the community. There are posters here who have genuinely become part of my life and it's little habits, who I know share interests in movies or music or fantasy. I just come to see talk to them mostly.
pantherclub
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
McGarnacle was one of the funniest posters on the board. The poster with the funniest stories was EvilGrin. Legendary.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Neat board
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Zegras11
Footballguy
Thanks for considering shortening some. I understand it's thankless.
My "drive by" comment was something that I "perceive" what happens on some of these. It wasn't meant to be an accusation. Especially when the reason given is "spamming" because they can't give it anything else I guess
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
I too am really bummed about Dodds leaving ...you may want to reconsider with Pat Fitzmagic joining the crew. Pat has been a hammer for years - and is a good dude.[icon] said:
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I was accused of being racist against white people.
I responded with, "Yes, I hate all you stupid crackers."
@Andy Dufresne was kind enough to report me, and I was suspended for it.
I really hate to admit it, 'cause I KNOW there are people here who get uncomfortable about conversations surrounding race strictly because of my avatar ( @Jaysus
), but I AM white from the waist up. Which I really didn't find nearly as head scratching as being banned for posting with an alias while my main account was suspended. Except I had NO account(s) suspended at the time. I simply happened to be posting from an old laptop and was being lazy about signing out/signing back in.
Now, that's sandwiched by plenty of DGA...goshdarn... instances of a ######## simply needing to be called a ########. But, yeah, stuff happens sometimes.
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skol asylum
Footballguy
I did not see that coming.E Street Brat said:
I did make sure to use the correct words.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
I can say that I appreciate that the political forum was created so we don't have to sift through all that dreck in the FFA - and that it is kept in that hole.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
And can you even imagine how bad it would have been the last 4 years if that decision had not been made? My god
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
It's funny as hell.
Now.
Now.
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
I totally missed that Dodds was gone. That makes me feel really old. I think I remember when he teamed up with Joe. That was the whole Cheatsheets.net transition, right?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Wait.... where can we get ammo?!BassNBrew said:
AAABatteries
Footballguy
To be fair, your jokes usually aren’t funny.Aloof said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, not sure if you followed him when he was last posting here but it was weird to say the least.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It would have been a lot to ignore and I can't say I was totally innocent. I wanted to discuss politics and what was going on, but the political discourse totally devolved.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I have been around a while. I am not sure when exactly but I believe it was when I started getting into Fantasy Football which was around 1999 (Sadly, I did not party like it was).
I have been in and out of the boards. At times, posting likely too much and then at times going a few months without even checking in.
I have got a ton of great value on this board and even though it is free, it is a big reason why I pay for the pay services on this site even though I spend way more time on the free area than the paid area.
The things that make this board superior to other boards I have visited and not returned to is really two things: 1) The quality of the people on this board is far better than what you normally encounter pretty much anywhere else on the internet or real life. The guys and gals on this board tend to be smarter than your average bear. I have found the interactions on subjects that I actually something about to be exceptional and the areas that I don't know anything or at least very little about the subject are enlightening. 2) The fact that there are rules makes it so it is not the wild, wild, wild west of message boards. I mean, some of these boards are painful to even read.
Now, I detest the cancel culture and have significant issues with what we see today in social and corporate circles with what is without doubt censorship and suppression of ideas. The thing about this group is that I have never seen a suppression of legitimate ideas. I do see them try to keep how things are discussed and presented in check. Though it has been a long time, I remember getting at least two time outs. One of them I thought was ridiculous and the other I understood. I don't remember what the ridiculous thing was exactly because I am am old.... which means that I both do not remember due to poor recall and that I am not a baby and hold grudges for no reason.
I can understand the PIA of having this board for those tasked with moderating it. Being a moderator doesn't make someone perfect so yes, there are bound to be disagreements on what should or should not be given a time out or banned etc on because it is all subjective in nature. I also know that if there was not message board, Footballguys.com would see a significant decline in membership.
I have made some great connections with a lot of great guys and gals off line because of this group. From a really cool meet up in Chicago circa 2008 to conversations over the phone and helping some out with their finances/mortgages.
I, for one, welcome our Reptilian moderator overlords.
I have been in and out of the boards. At times, posting likely too much and then at times going a few months without even checking in.
I have got a ton of great value on this board and even though it is free, it is a big reason why I pay for the pay services on this site even though I spend way more time on the free area than the paid area.
The things that make this board superior to other boards I have visited and not returned to is really two things: 1) The quality of the people on this board is far better than what you normally encounter pretty much anywhere else on the internet or real life. The guys and gals on this board tend to be smarter than your average bear. I have found the interactions on subjects that I actually something about to be exceptional and the areas that I don't know anything or at least very little about the subject are enlightening. 2) The fact that there are rules makes it so it is not the wild, wild, wild west of message boards. I mean, some of these boards are painful to even read.
Now, I detest the cancel culture and have significant issues with what we see today in social and corporate circles with what is without doubt censorship and suppression of ideas. The thing about this group is that I have never seen a suppression of legitimate ideas. I do see them try to keep how things are discussed and presented in check. Though it has been a long time, I remember getting at least two time outs. One of them I thought was ridiculous and the other I understood. I don't remember what the ridiculous thing was exactly because I am am old.... which means that I both do not remember due to poor recall and that I am not a baby and hold grudges for no reason.
I can understand the PIA of having this board for those tasked with moderating it. Being a moderator doesn't make someone perfect so yes, there are bound to be disagreements on what should or should not be given a time out or banned etc on because it is all subjective in nature. I also know that if there was not message board, Footballguys.com would see a significant decline in membership.
I have made some great connections with a lot of great guys and gals off line because of this group. From a really cool meet up in Chicago circa 2008 to conversations over the phone and helping some out with their finances/mortgages.
I, for one, welcome our Reptilian moderator overlords.
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
I remember that. It was a couple years ago, right? Mostly in political threads IIRC, which I tend to stay far away from so never experienced that particular weirdness first hand. :wheatpennies:
BassNBrew
Footballguy
He’s been posting in the stock thread. He took the severance package from J and bought 10% of Game Stop and made a killing.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
About the OP - a "Be way more cool" might have been better.
I've been suspended four times. Twice I was a textbook ####### and told someone to bleep off. I welcomed the week off.
The third time was weird. A young rapper named Ducks died (and keep in mind we're mostly old and had no familiarity with him) and all the puns we're flowing. But suddenly a mod went berzerk and lumped us all together for "mocking the death of a fellow FBG" or some such. It was entirely lighthearted, and even the most polite of the polite (Zamboni) got hit with the month-sized ban stick.
And then I dusted off my circa 2004 account and flew under the radar for 29 days until I said a discouraging word in a forum which won't be named, and I got a three-monther - and I welcomed that too. ... except for the SP game threads. It really sucked not being allowed to chirp in the Sunday threads.
Plot twist: I scrounged $59 from the couch cushions and bought an FBG subscription for the first time in five years.
I've been suspended four times. Twice I was a textbook ####### and told someone to bleep off. I welcomed the week off.
The third time was weird. A young rapper named Ducks died (and keep in mind we're mostly old and had no familiarity with him) and all the puns we're flowing. But suddenly a mod went berzerk and lumped us all together for "mocking the death of a fellow FBG" or some such. It was entirely lighthearted, and even the most polite of the polite (Zamboni) got hit with the month-sized ban stick.
And then I dusted off my circa 2004 account and flew under the radar for 29 days until I said a discouraging word in a forum which won't be named, and I got a three-monther - and I welcomed that too. ... except for the SP game threads. It really sucked not being allowed to chirp in the Sunday threads.
Plot twist: I scrounged $59 from the couch cushions and bought an FBG subscription for the first time in five years.
Freak Show
Footballguy
I don't post very often, but really enjoy the forums
There entertaining and educational from my viewpoint.
Thanks Joe.
There entertaining and educational from my viewpoint.
Thanks Joe.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
This is why I started visiting the FFA regularly last year. I've mostly been SP-only since I joined back in the Old Yeller days because at some point the FFA became unreadable with all the political arguments and I stopped visiting. Once I had more time on my hands due to the pandemic and noticed that the political stuff had been relegated to another subforum, I started coming to the FFA regularly and got drawn to the music threads.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
I don't come around much anymore because of how it is now. Came here for years to shoot the #### and laugh. Maybe learn something. Then it got to where you have to be careful what you say and the topics you discuss. Just not interested in that. Not that anyone cares. Doesn't upset me. I just choose to not go somewhere like that much. Very different than it once was.
dkp993
Footballguy
I know you’re referring to his postings in the PSF but he still posts around here. Stock thread in particular.
*should have read further down. B&B addressed it.
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Drunken knight
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
This thread has been an interesting read.
This forum is far less interesting than it used to be, and I think I still come here out of habit more than anything.
While I think the Politics subforum is a mess (one I admittedly participate in on occasion, usually if the music or TV show threads I like are showing little or not activity), I think if it went away, the forum would collapse. There is too much ill will between many there now, and that would seep into threads they post in elsewhere on the forum, if they even stick around, which I suspect many would not as it seems like quite a few live to post in that subforum all day and nowhere else.
I think moderating is tough, and I can't imagine doing it on a forum this big. It is impossible to see everything, and I would imagine some really stupid stuff gets reported, so just having to wade through that is probably mind-numbing. I think I have only been suspended once, like 14-15 years ago for too much arguing about baseball or something, and I am pretty sure I deserved it.
I don't think it is that hard to not get suspended, but I get that some like to run their mouths and stir it up. That said, the suspensions do seem to be arbitrary, and it is unfortunate that posters with years of equity built up and/or subscriptions are not given any extra leeway in such situations. That seems like a bad way to run things.
I know Joe will say, "This is how we are doing things around here now," but the minute this forum got woke and too PC, the downhill descent began and there is no way to stop it now.
This forum is far less interesting than it used to be, and I think I still come here out of habit more than anything.
While I think the Politics subforum is a mess (one I admittedly participate in on occasion, usually if the music or TV show threads I like are showing little or not activity), I think if it went away, the forum would collapse. There is too much ill will between many there now, and that would seep into threads they post in elsewhere on the forum, if they even stick around, which I suspect many would not as it seems like quite a few live to post in that subforum all day and nowhere else.
I think moderating is tough, and I can't imagine doing it on a forum this big. It is impossible to see everything, and I would imagine some really stupid stuff gets reported, so just having to wade through that is probably mind-numbing. I think I have only been suspended once, like 14-15 years ago for too much arguing about baseball or something, and I am pretty sure I deserved it.
I don't think it is that hard to not get suspended, but I get that some like to run their mouths and stir it up. That said, the suspensions do seem to be arbitrary, and it is unfortunate that posters with years of equity built up and/or subscriptions are not given any extra leeway in such situations. That seems like a bad way to run things. I know Joe will say, "This is how we are doing things around here now," but the minute this forum got woke and too PC, the downhill descent began and there is no way to stop it now.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
IMO, there are basically 2 methods of moderation which will create a respectful environment of thriving, mostly happy posters:
1. light-handed approach, relying largely on warnings and short suspensions, with the ultimate goal of correcting the behavior of nonconforming posters.
2. heavy-handed approach, with the ultimate goal of just eliminating nonconforming posters.
Both methods can be effective. Obviously, method #2 will lead to a much smaller user base, but such result could be considered to be a feature (not a bug) depending on your point of view.
1. light-handed approach, relying largely on warnings and short suspensions, with the ultimate goal of correcting the behavior of nonconforming posters.
2. heavy-handed approach, with the ultimate goal of just eliminating nonconforming posters.
Both methods can be effective. Obviously, method #2 will lead to a much smaller user base, but such result could be considered to be a feature (not a bug) depending on your point of view.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Thanks for the insights @Ghost Rider I disagree with the above but fully understand others may agree with you. I've said from the start I don't know if the way we're doing things is the right way. It's the way that feels right for us.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Yep - same here. That mod seemed to not understand what happened. Many of us said how freaked out we were thinking GB Duck had passed away. I did make a joke after realizing it wasn’t our Duck - maybe worth a couple days or something - maybe just hide the post or better yet just warn the entire thread - handing out a bunch of 30 day bans was not warranted.
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I remember when that happened. That was 100% the moderator not understanding. Reports started flooding in that people were mocking a footballguys poster who had died. That's obviously not something we'd allow. We should have spent more time in trying to completely understand the details and we failed there.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I am sensing a pattern here..........
Me too.
You were suspended three days years ago (September 9, 2013) for telling another poster:
Your next one on April 20, 2014 was 7 days.
You've had quite a few more over the years.
We get it you feel you've been mistreated here. We disagree.
Please drop it here and let's move forward.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Last post on this thread.
You are proving my point that I am trying to make. That context matters as you just acknowledged with AAA. Pulling out random posts without any backstory, who they are to, what was leading up to it etc. is disingenuous. You guys are simply pointing and firing. But sure man thats cool its your board but you started this thread I assume looking for feedback. As others have mentioned and discussed, I think you throwing down 4 month bans has shredded this board of posters. Not sure why 3-5 days wouldnt work. So I was popped in 2013, 2014 and then 2020. I would hardly say I am repeat offender in 15+ years.
You are proving my point that I am trying to make. That context matters as you just acknowledged with AAA. Pulling out random posts without any backstory, who they are to, what was leading up to it etc. is disingenuous. You guys are simply pointing and firing. But sure man thats cool its your board but you started this thread I assume looking for feedback. As others have mentioned and discussed, I think you throwing down 4 month bans has shredded this board of posters. Not sure why 3-5 days wouldnt work. So I was popped in 2013, 2014 and then 2020. I would hardly say I am repeat offender in 15+ years.
Thanks.
Much of his thread has been helpful and I think it's been good to hear folk's feedback on shortening suspensions and that's something we've already been doing the last few months. We'll keep trying to make it the best we can. Thanks.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
As a newish poster who migrated from another board, I was kind of surprised by how civil people behaved here, both in FFA and political sub-forums. Having never been banned, I’m not sure how I feel about the moderation, but some of the examples in this thread do seem a bit heavy-handed.
That being said, this board is light years ahead of at least one of its competitors. I’d rather bite my tongue now and again than be immersed in the bigoted vitriol that passes as appropriate discussion elsewhere.
One other observation: it seems like every board longs for the “good old days”, lamenting those who no longer post. Or maybe just every board I frequent?
That being said, this board is light years ahead of at least one of its competitors. I’d rather bite my tongue now and again than be immersed in the bigoted vitriol that passes as appropriate discussion elsewhere.
One other observation: it seems like every board longs for the “good old days”, lamenting those who no longer post. Or maybe just every board I frequent?
Thank you. Your story is what we're hoping for.As a newish poster who migrated from another board, I was kind of surprised by how civil people behaved here, both in FFA and political sub-forums. Having never been banned, I’m not sure how I feel about the moderation, but some of the examples in this thread do seem a bit heavy-handed.
That being said, this board is light years ahead of at least one of its competitors. I’d rather bite my tongue now and again than be immersed in the bigoted vitriol that passes as appropriate discussion elsewhere.
One other observation: it seems like every board longs for the “good old days”, lamenting those who no longer post. Or maybe just every board I frequent?
I know some people think this is me forcing my beliefs or "preaching". I don't see it that way. There are lots of ways to build a forum or business or culture. Barstool has been a zillion times more successful than Footballguys and they do things differently than we do. There are insanely popular reddit forums that do things differently than we do. I'm not saying we're right. I'm saying this is how we're trying to do it.
I don't know if the heavy handed moderation here is what helps keep this community such a civil and decent place, but I am confident that it could be much more fair. I am one who received a 30 day ban for what I believe was my first offense, and for what I still consider to be a pretty trivial one at that. I had never been warned, and to my knowledge, had never offended or hurt anyone with anything I had posted here prior to that incident (10+ years). It happened to take place right as the fantasy playoffs were starting as well, which made it even more frustrating. I admit, at the time, I was certain that I would not be subscribing going forward due to that. I've moved to on the fence at this point, in regards to subscribing, but the suspension still doesn't sit well with me.
I don't envy you trying to keep this forum a place you don't mind being a representation of your business, and I recognize that you cannot get caught up in every person who feels they've been handled unfairly. I guess I would just hope that you guys can find some better framework by which the moderators work. The inconsistency is maddening. I don't think the moderation is slanted in anyway, political or otherwise, I just think it's wildly inconsistent.
I don't envy you trying to keep this forum a place you don't mind being a representation of your business, and I recognize that you cannot get caught up in every person who feels they've been handled unfairly. I guess I would just hope that you guys can find some better framework by which the moderators work. The inconsistency is maddening. I don't think the moderation is slanted in anyway, political or otherwise, I just think it's wildly inconsistent.
Thanks. I don't disagree consistency is a challenge.
In your case it was in a vaccine thread where tensions were high and we'd asked posters to be more cool and your post was,
Posts like those are gasoline on the fire of bad discussion.
They set off a flurry of downward spiral posts and the thread usually goes off the rails and dies.
Fortunately, I think we're in much less tense situation. If that post happened today, I think it would be a short warning.
But I hear you and understand.
We realize full well how much people hate suspensions. I have people who email me ranting about a suspension they received years ago where the moderator they felt was not fair and it turns in their mind into I personally did something to them. So I get it.
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