NorvilleBarnes
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Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), Chief Medical Advisor to the President, and namesake of the Fauci Ouchy.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
He is giving Biden a run for most clueless person right now
One of those "sides" is dying at a rate 5x more than the other.Oddly, opinions of him seem to be politically based on "sides".
HellToupee said:He loves the spotlight
You really have to admire his ability to slow play things though. I mean, he really snowed all of us by waiting until he was 78 years old and at a time when 99.9% of the country had no clue who he was to then insert himself in the national debate about a global pandemic. Talk about stealing the spotlight. Thankfully a bunch of hacks on the internet who have no clue what they are talking about can put this guy in his place - well done guys!
Awards and honors
- 1979: Arthur S. Flemming Award[102]
- 1993: Honorary Doctor of Science, Bates College[103]
- 1995: Ernst Jung Prize (shared with Samuel A. Wells, Jr.)[104]
- 1995: Honorary Doctor of Science, Duke University[105]
- 1996: Honorary Doctor of Science, Colgate University[106]
- 1999: Honorary Doctor of Public Service, Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania[107]
- 2002: Albany Medical Center Prize[108]
- 2003: American Academy of Achievement's Golden Plate Award[109]
- 2005: National Medal of Science[110]
- 2005: American Association of Immunologists Lifetime Achievement Award[111]
- 2007: Mary Woodard Lasker Public Service Award[112]
- 2007: George M. Kober Medal, Association of American Physicians[6]
- 2008: Presidential Medal of Freedom[109]
- 2013: UCSF medal[113]
- 2013: Robert Koch Gold Medal[114]
- 2013: Prince Mahidol Award[115]
- 2015: Honorary Doctor of Humane Letters, Johns Hopkins University[116][117]
- 2015: Honorary Doctor of Public Service, The George Washington University[118][119]
- 2016: John Dirks Canada Gairdner Global Health Award[120]
- 2018: Honorary Doctor of Science, commencement speaker, American University[121]
- 2018: Honorary Doctor of Science, Boston University[122]
- 2020: Federal Employee of the Year[123]
- 2020: Presidential Citation for Exemplary Leadership, National Academy of Medicine[124]
- 2020: Ripple of Hope Award from the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice and Human Rights[125]
- 2020: TIME Magazine's Guardian of the Year, along with the frontline health workers, Assa Traoré, Porche Bennett-Bey, and racial justice organizers.[126]
- 2020: Harris Dean's Award[127]
- 2020: Knight of the Grand Cross - Order of Merit of the Italian Republic[128]
- 2021: Public Welfare Medal of the National Academy of Sciences[129]
- 2021: Dan David Prize[130]
- 2021: President's Medal of The George Washington University[131][132]
"Tony should stop wearing the Washington Nationals' Mask for two reasons. Number one, it is not up to the high standards that he should be exposing," Trump tweeted. "Number two, it keeps reminding me that Tony threw out perhaps the worst first pitch in the history of Baseball!"He pitches worse than most bad little league players
yeah, well, if he was so smart, why did he never take a cushy job at Big Pharma?You really have to admire his ability to slow play things though. I mean, he really snowed all of us by waiting until he was 78 years old and at a time when 99.9% of the country had no clue who he was to then insert himself in the national debate about a global pandemic. Talk about stealing the spotlight. Thankfully a bunch of hacks on the internet who have no clue what they are talking about can put this guy in his place - well done guys!
Awards and honors
- 1979: Arthur S. Flemming Award[102]
- 1993: Honorary Doctor of Science, Bates College[103]
- 1995: Ernst Jung Prize (shared with Samuel A. Wells, Jr.)[104]
- 1995: Honorary Doctor of Science, Duke University[105]
- 1996: Honorary Doctor of Science, Colgate University[106]
- 1999: Honorary Doctor of Public Service, Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania[107]
- 2002: Albany Medical Center Prize[108]
- 2003: American Academy of Achievement's Golden Plate Award[109]
- 2005: National Medal of Science[110]
- 2005: American Association of Immunologists Lifetime Achievement Award[111]
- 2007: Mary Woodard Lasker Public Service Award[112]
- 2007: George M. Kober Medal, Association of American Physicians[6]
- 2008: Presidential Medal of Freedom[109]
- 2013: UCSF medal[113]
- 2013: Robert Koch Gold Medal[114]
- 2013: Prince Mahidol Award[115]
- 2015: Honorary Doctor of Humane Letters, Johns Hopkins University[116][117]
- 2015: Honorary Doctor of Public Service, The George Washington University[118][119]
- 2016: John Dirks Canada Gairdner Global Health Award[120]
- 2018: Honorary Doctor of Science, commencement speaker, American University[121]
- 2018: Honorary Doctor of Science, Boston University[122]
- 2020: Federal Employee of the Year[123]
- 2020: Presidential Citation for Exemplary Leadership, National Academy of Medicine[124]
- 2020: Ripple of Hope Award from the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice and Human Rights[125]
- 2020: TIME Magazine's Guardian of the Year, along with the frontline health workers, Assa Traoré, Porche Bennett-Bey, and racial justice organizers.[126]
- 2020: Harris Dean's Award[127]
- 2020: Knight of the Grand Cross - Order of Merit of the Italian Republic[128]
- 2021: Public Welfare Medal of the National Academy of Sciences[129]
- 2021: Dan David Prize[130]
- 2021: President's Medal of The George Washington University[131][132]
No wait the other thing. Evil mad Scientist.National Hero
Wait, so doesn't that kill Trumps "China (Ch pronounced as "J") will have to pay reparations to US since this is their fault..." and his "Kung Flu" ?Everyone still likes this guy after we find out his organization funded gain of function at the Wuhan Lab and the virus likely escaped from the lab?
The gain of function angle is a worthy debate I think (not if it was being funded by him but rather if it’s a worthwhile practice). But the subsequent cover up and lying is dirty to say the least.Everyone still likes this guy after we find out his organization funded gain of function at the Wuhan Lab and the virus likely escaped from the lab?
Yes. And it’s weird you call NIH his organization like he founded it. He runs it and I assume manages where the money goes and does hold responsibility for that. I’m not convinced either side has sufficiently answered the whole gain of function argument.Everyone still likes this guy after we find out his organization funded gain of function at the Wuhan Lab and the virus likely escaped from the lab?
At least you waited 10 posts to bring up Trump this time. Progress!Wait, so doesn't that kill Trumps "China (Ch pronounced as "J") will have to pay reparations to US since this is their fault..." and his "Kung Flu" ?
The thing is that anybody who paid attention to this story knew that he was lying* to congress at the same time that he was testifying. I posted about it that day, and I'm just a layman who's not any more plugged into the NIH than anybody else. I think if it was somebody other than Rand Paul blowing the whistle, maybe it would have gotten more traction, but the fact is that Paul was basically right and Fauci was lying through his teeth.Everyone still likes this guy after we find out his organization funded gain of function at the Wuhan Lab and the virus likely escaped from the lab?
I don't think a Lab in China previously cited for safety violations would be my number 1 choice. This is the downside to those risks. But I do agree there may be something valuable in this type of research.The gain of function angle is a worthy debate I think (not if it was being funded by him but rather if it’s a worthwhile practice). But the subsequent cover up and lying is dirty to say the least.
Two things jump out about this video that seem a little disingenuous - making it sound like that number of research projects is unusual. I don’t know if it is or not but they need to have some kind of comparison as the vast majority of us have no clue. Hard to take the animal rights guy word for anything because unfortunately those guys are frequently over the top and want zero animal testing. I think the whole point of having the NIH is to study these things. If there are animal abuses then that’s a problem and they should be held accountable.
Wholeheartedly agree. The list of issues here is long no doubt about it.I don't think a Lab in China previously cited for safety violations would be my number 1 choice. This is the downside to those risks. But I do agree there may be something valuable in this type of research.
I’m not willing to go that far without more information - and we may never get it. If there’s truly an argument here about gain of function then normally I would say let’s have the smart guys sit in a room and figure it out. But what I’ve read sounds like they did that and it’s still murky. Where I would agree is that Fauci should have laid all of that out there for consumption.The thing is that anybody who paid attention to this story knew that he was lying* to congress at the same time that he was testifying. I posted about it that day, and I'm just a layman who's not any more plugged into the NIH than anybody else. I think if it was somebody other than Rand Paul blowing the whistle, maybe it would have gotten more traction, but the fact is that Paul was basically right and Fauci was lying through his teeth.
* I put a little asterisk by "lying" because technically it depends on exactly what you mean by "gain of function" research. People like Fauci like to get extremely pedantic over that sort of thing, and he would probably argue that his statements to congress were technically accurate under some non-standard-English reading of the transcript. But he knew that he was being dishonest at the time, so I think "lying" is the correct term.
Unfortunately it’s the same game that has been played likely from the first time someone testified in front of congress. Word games and technicalities.The thing is that anybody who paid attention to this story knew that he was lying* to congress at the same time that he was testifying. I posted about it that day, and I'm just a layman who's not any more plugged into the NIH than anybody else. I think if it was somebody other than Rand Paul blowing the whistle, maybe it would have gotten more traction, but the fact is that Paul was basically right and Fauci was lying through his teeth.
* I put a little asterisk by "lying" because technically it depends on exactly what you mean by "gain of function" research. People like Fauci like to get extremely pedantic over that sort of thing, and he would probably argue that his statements to congress were technically accurate under some non-standard-English reading of the transcript. But he knew that he was being dishonest at the time, so I think "lying" is the correct term.
Which was when Fauci put his hand in his face in disbelief as Trump suggested people injecting household cleaners into themselves to fight Covid.Rubiobot said:Amazing that his popularity went down at the exact same time Trump turned on him. What a coincidence.
I'll be more cognizant of my wordings. But what are your concerns with the gain of function research questions?Yes. And it’s weird you call NIH his organization like he founded it. He runs it and I assume manages where the money goes and does hold responsibility for that. I’m not convinced either side has sufficiently answered the whole gain of function argument.
As for the lab leak - if/when it’s proven that it came from the lab then there’s a ton of answering Fauci and others would need to do.
You counted !At least you waited 10 posts to bring up Trump this time. Progress!
Have you read the Intercept report from today?I’m not willing to go that far without more information - and we may never get it. If there’s truly an argument here about gain of function then normally I would say let’s have the smart guys sit in a room and figure it out. But what I’ve read sounds like they did that and it’s still murky. Where I would agree is that Fauci should have laid all of that out there for consumption.
Not a concern I have - just based on my previous reading it sounded like there was a disagreement on whether it was or wasn’t. I’m fine if someone wants to level that semantics, both in the literal and figurative sense.I'll be more cognizant of my wordings. But what are your concerns with the gain of function research questions?
The intelligence agencies didn't come to a conclusion about the lab leak. But we can almost rule out the naturally occurring theory.
No - will try to go read it now. I’m open to changing my mind based on new evidence.Have you read the Intercept report from today?
Bunch of football guys on the internet aren't recommending and funding research that directly leads to a global pandemic either.Bunch of football fans slagging a guy that is in the top of his field with decades of education and research
If that doesn't sum up the internet, I don't know what does
I really don't care about the number. Just one of them is sort of important at the moment.Two things jump out about this video that seem a little disingenuous - making it sound like that number of research projects is unusual. I don’t know if it is or not but they need to have some kind of comparison as the vast majority of us have no clue. Hard to take the animal rights guy word for anything because unfortunately those guys are frequently over the top and want zero animal testing. I think the whole point of having the NIH is to study these things. If there are animal abuses then that’s a problem and they should be held accountable.
Where money is involved politics are soon to follow. And as he oversees the money it’s inevitable the politics come back to him.And I’ll be honest - my biggest with all of the Fauci discussion is epitomized in the location of this thread. The pandemic and Fauci should not be a political thing - it’s a health and science item. Injecting politics in to it all those months ago has contributed to some people dying. Any mistake made during the pandemic by this guy and others should have nothing to do with politics.
how does one trust him at this point?Where money is involved politics are soon to follow. I’m basically pro Fauci but he is clearly not faultless and his involvement with the Wuhan lab and subsequent coverup (which is honestly undeniable at this point to anyone looking at this objectively) are deserving of some harsh criticism.
Great question. That’s the problem when you torpedo your credibility by not facing down your mistakes and owning them. As they say, the coverup is often worse then the crime.how does one trust him at this point?
And I don’t like the debate/semantics about gain of function. That definitely seems to be dangerous. I have no clue whether any of this research should be done but at a minimum we should try and be totally transparent if/when it is and I would agree that doesn’t appear as though it has happened.Where money is involved politics are soon to follow. And as he oversees the money it’s inevitable the politics come back to him.
I’m basically pro Fauci but he is clearly not faultless and his involvement with the Wuhan lab and subsequent coverup (which is honestly undeniable at this point to anyone looking at this objectively) are deserving of some harsh criticism.
Agree - It just came across as sensational when nothing they said really was that bad. I mean, if they really did cause a global pandemic then that is scary enough by itself - you don’t need to sensationalize it.I really don't care about the number. Just one of them is sort of important at the moment.
Agreed. I’m certainly not an expert on the viability of GoF and as I researched the pros/cons there are compelling arguments on both sides. But the stench rising from what happened in Wuhan both before and after is rancid and dangerous.And I don’t like the debate/semantics about gain of function. That definitely seems to be dangerous. I have no clue whether any of this research should be done but at a minimum we should try and be totally transparent if/when it is and I would agree that doesn’t appear as though it has happened.