Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Don't get me wrong, I love the Fister. Now I get to see him with my Nats season ticket package, so he'll still be in my life.
Here is the real question What will Fister have more of. Hits at the plate or hit batters? I like the way Fister swings the bat.Don't get me wrong, I love the Fister. Now I get to see him with my Nats season ticket package, so he'll still be in my life.
Holy crap.Fister was good, not great. His era & whip went up each year he was here, not a real solid trend.
I'm not sure what being on good teams has to do with it. I don't pay attention to win totals, and I'd like to see anyone make an argument about how the Tigers offense helped make his life easier while ignoring that the infield defense behind him was garbage for his entire stay.Fister is a middle of the rotation pitcher, nothing more and nothing less. He's the #4 pitcher on the Nats, there are probably a handful of teams where he's a #2. WAR shmar, he's a good pitcher who has played on really good teams. He'll likely peak this year and then steadily regress from there and someone is going to pay him a ton of money to be a solid but not spectacular starter in 2016. He's not Cole Hamels or Zach Grienke, not even close.
Smyly will be a great #4, very similar to Fister. Smyly is what gave the Tigers the luxury of being able to deal a starting pitcher the quality of Fister. But it will take some incredible developments for the Tigers to ever be considered getting the better end of that deal.Doctor Detroit said:You forgot the part where Smyly pitches as well or better out the #4 spot as Fister would have, which is probably the most important development for 2014.
No it won't, that's what everyone is missing. If Robbie Ray turns into a decent starting pitcher (like Porcello decent), they at least break even. If Ray is better than Porcello, they win going away because of salary and team control.Smyly will be a great #4, very similar to Fister. Smyly is what gave the Tigers the luxury of being able to deal a starting pitcher the quality of Fister. But it will take some incredible developments for the Tigers to ever be considered getting the better end of that deal.Doctor Detroit said:You forgot the part where Smyly pitches as well or better out the #4 spot as Fister would have, which is probably the most important development for 2014.
He does have extra value in the NL, I'll admit that.Here is the real question What will Fister have more of. Hits at the plate or hit batters? I like the way Fister swings the bat.Don't get me wrong, I love the Fister. Now I get to see him with my Nats season ticket package, so he'll still be in my life.
I was creeping on a Nats forum and starting to feel a little better about the trade. For the most part they were very glad to land Fister, but also very sad to lose Lombo and Krol. Almost every thread said they will really miss Lombo, and a few threads proclaimed Krol to be a future stud lefty out of the pen. So who knows? I guess if Ray works out we may get the better end.Don't get me wrong, I love the Fister. Now I get to see him with my Nats season ticket package, so he'll still be in my life.
It's most likely going to be a net loss this year, and next. After that though is where the rubber meets the road because Fister becomes a FA, and Ray should be ready for the bigs. We might not know until 2018 whether this is a win or loss for the Tigers, although we may know this year if it was a win for the Nats if that makes sense. Igbomb hates Lombo but he's an upgrade over Santiago as a utility guy and he still has some growing to do before we know his ceiling. He hit at every level of the minors and he hit pretty well in 2012, just not last year. Krol should be a fine LOOGY.I was creeping on a Nats forum and starting to feel a little better about the trade. For the most part they were very glad to land Fister, but also very sad to lose Lombo and Krol. Almost every thread said they will really miss Lombo, and a few threads proclaimed Krol to be a future stud lefty out of the pen. So who knows? I guess if Ray works out we may get the better end.Don't get me wrong, I love the Fister. Now I get to see him with my Nats season ticket package, so he'll still be in my life.
I may have rushed to judgment.
My main beef with Lombardozzi is that they signed Don Kelly the same friggin day as they traded for Lombo. If just one of them is on the roster, I'll just be sulky. But if both of them make the Opening Day roster, I will stomp my feet, ##### all day and then still go to the stupid games and just hope I'm not subjected to both of them on the field at once.It's most likely going to be a net loss this year, and next. After that though is where the rubber meets the road because Fister becomes a FA, and Ray should be ready for the bigs. We might not know until 2018 whether this is a win or loss for the Tigers, although we may know this year if it was a win for the Nats if that makes sense. Igbomb hates Lombo but he's an upgrade over Santiago as a utility guy and he still has some growing to do before we know his ceiling. He hit at every level of the minors and he hit pretty well in 2012, just not last year. Krol should be a fine LOOGY.I was creeping on a Nats forum and starting to feel a little better about the trade. For the most part they were very glad to land Fister, but also very sad to lose Lombo and Krol. Almost every thread said they will really miss Lombo, and a few threads proclaimed Krol to be a future stud lefty out of the pen. So who knows? I guess if Ray works out we may get the better end.Don't get me wrong, I love the Fister. Now I get to see him with my Nats season ticket package, so he'll still be in my life.
I may have rushed to judgment.
Well Kelly is essentially the 5th OFer, so unless you sign another OFer who can play at least two OF positions, he probably makes the team. I think that spot is for Danial Fields in 2015 but he probably isn't quite ready yet.My main beef with Lombardozzi is that they signed Don Kelly the same friggin day as they traded for Lombo. If just one of them is on the roster, I'll just be sulky. But if both of them make the Opening Day roster, I will stomp my feet, ##### all day and then still go to the stupid games and just hope I'm not subjected to both of them on the field at once.It's most likely going to be a net loss this year, and next. After that though is where the rubber meets the road because Fister becomes a FA, and Ray should be ready for the bigs. We might not know until 2018 whether this is a win or loss for the Tigers, although we may know this year if it was a win for the Nats if that makes sense. Igbomb hates Lombo but he's an upgrade over Santiago as a utility guy and he still has some growing to do before we know his ceiling. He hit at every level of the minors and he hit pretty well in 2012, just not last year. Krol should be a fine LOOGY.I was creeping on a Nats forum and starting to feel a little better about the trade. For the most part they were very glad to land Fister, but also very sad to lose Lombo and Krol. Almost every thread said they will really miss Lombo, and a few threads proclaimed Krol to be a future stud lefty out of the pen. So who knows? I guess if Ray works out we may get the better end.Don't get me wrong, I love the Fister. Now I get to see him with my Nats season ticket package, so he'll still be in my life.
I may have rushed to judgment.
Finally someone gets to the meat and potatoes...
I going to Vegas and put some money on the tigers, thanks ddThey got Rajei Davis who will steal about 40 bases and platoon with Dirks in LF.
You're also missing the fact of a vastly improved defensive infield with fat ### gone and Iglesias being one of the best shortstops in the game. They are the Vegas favorites to win the AL, so expectations are still pretty high.
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/futures/I going to Vegas and put some money on the tigers, thanks ddThey got Rajei Davis who will steal about 40 bases and platoon with Dirks in LF.
You're also missing the fact of a vastly improved defensive infield with fat ### gone and Iglesias being one of the best shortstops in the game. They are the Vegas favorites to win the AL, so expectations are still pretty high.
I like it better. It won't produce as many runs, but it will be able to create more runs in critical late inning situations. Last year, without an extra-base hit, Detroit was not scoring. This year, late in the game you will see more stolen bases, more hit-n-runs, more bunts, and fewer double-plays. The only area that is really hit will be power. VMart will be healthy the whole year. None of the batters are a throw away like Inge, Raburn, or Santiago were. Seriously, you could count on your thumbs the number of times those guys contributed to winning games with their bats. Avilia's health is the biggest wild card, but it is a good sign that VMart will give him more rest. Guys l like to have better seasons than last are AJax and VMart (won't have the bad start). Castellanos could surprise and work his way into the 5th-6th spot. Iglesias will be valuable in the 9th spot, just because he is such a smart ballplayer. His average might not be great, but he will get that key walk or put down that perfect bunt to help create runs.Tigers lost a lot of talent and barely replaced it with anything. We swapped Kinsler for Fielder and by doing so lost Infante. We lost Peralta and we didn't get an extra outfielder and are still running Dirks or flavor of the week out there in LF and hired a marquee name for manager. At least they attacked one major need in closer, but he is up there in age and is a stop gap.
Not having high hopes this year. If not for the starting pitching they would struggle to compete. Expect a lot of intentional walks for Cabrera this year with zero protection. I'm a fan of VMart but people are not worried about him. They will challenge him everytime. Fielder while somewhat unproductive last year, some pitchers did not want to go toe to toe with him and he protected Cabrera. I wont get into losing Fister, he was solid for the Tigers. Whip and Era is not everything, he was good when he had to me.
2013---
Jackson
Hunter
Cabrera
Fielder
Martinez
Peralta
Infanta
Avila
Santiago
2014---
Jackson
Hunter
Kinsler
Cabrera
Martinez
Avila
Dirks
Iglesias
Castellanos
That is not a better lineup by any means.
Far and away the biggest factor is always Cabrera's health. The wheels came off when the final month when he was hobbling around. If he's the beast he was the first half of the year, offense is still near the top of the AL.I like it better. It won't produce as many runs, but it will be able to create more runs in critical late inning situations. Last year, without an extra-base hit, Detroit was not scoring. This year, late in the game you will see more stolen bases, more hit-n-runs, more bunts, and fewer double-plays. The only area that is really hit will be power. VMart will be healthy the whole year. None of the batters are a throw away like Inge, Raburn, or Santiago were. Seriously, you could count on your thumbs the number of times those guys contributed to winning games with their bats. Avilia's health is the biggest wild card, but it is a good sign that VMart will give him more rest. Guys l like to have better seasons than last are AJax and VMart (won't have the bad start). Castellanos could surprise and work his way into the 5th-6th spot. Iglesias will be valuable in the 9th spot, just because he is such a smart ballplayer. His average might not be great, but he will get that key walk or put down that perfect bunt to help create runs.Tigers lost a lot of talent and barely replaced it with anything. We swapped Kinsler for Fielder and by doing so lost Infante. We lost Peralta and we didn't get an extra outfielder and are still running Dirks or flavor of the week out there in LF and hired a marquee name for manager. At least they attacked one major need in closer, but he is up there in age and is a stop gap.
Not having high hopes this year. If not for the starting pitching they would struggle to compete. Expect a lot of intentional walks for Cabrera this year with zero protection. I'm a fan of VMart but people are not worried about him. They will challenge him everytime. Fielder while somewhat unproductive last year, some pitchers did not want to go toe to toe with him and he protected Cabrera. I wont get into losing Fister, he was solid for the Tigers. Whip and Era is not everything, he was good when he had to me.
2013---
Jackson
Hunter
Cabrera
Fielder
Martinez
Peralta
Infanta
Avila
Santiago
2014---
Jackson
Hunter
Kinsler
Cabrera
Martinez
Avila
Dirks
Iglesias
Castellanos
That is not a better lineup by any means.
I got some Memorial Day weekend tix vs the Rangers. Seems like prices have gone up, but I got right in for both games and got infield box and club seats.Four standing room only tickets purchased for opening day. That was 'best available' about five minutes after the virtual doors opened.
Frankly, the game is secondary on opening day. I don't go to watch much of anything. It's just a chance for a huge group of guys to get together and wander downtown for about 12 hours. I probably only actually get tickets about half the time but head down every year.I got some Memorial Day weekend tix vs the Rangers. Seems like prices have gone up, but I got right in for both games and got infield box and club seats.Four standing room only tickets purchased for opening day. That was 'best available' about five minutes after the virtual doors opened.
I've never been to an opening day game. I'm offered every year to go to Baltimore for a heavy premium and I pass, even two years ago when they opened vs the Tigers. I went the next day and sat behind home plate for the same money.
I have been to the last 5 Tiger opening days..but have yet to go to the game. The parking lot next to Chelis is more fun.I got some Memorial Day weekend tix vs the Rangers. Seems like prices have gone up, but I got right in for both games and got infield box and club seats.Four standing room only tickets purchased for opening day. That was 'best available' about five minutes after the virtual doors opened.
I've never been to an opening day game. I'm offered every year to go to Baltimore for a heavy premium and I pass, even two years ago when they opened vs the Tigers. I went the next day and sat behind home plate for the same money.
Looks good on paper. Nicky the Greek went yard yesterday.A detailed review of the effect of the Kinsler-Fielder trade and what it means to the Tigers:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20140227/detroit-tigers-ian-kinsler-prince-fielder-texas-rangers-trade/?eref=sihp
eta: The article addresses issues raised above ...Ausmus' plan to use the improved team speed, the overall lineup flexibility (e.g., VMart options in NL parks), and the benefits beyond the next couple of years.
Donny Kelly?Dirks gone 12 weeks and Davis is not an every day player. ugh
Lombadozzi will be the guy I suppose, but that kills depth if he's out past May.
Shoot meDirks gone 12 weeks and Davis is not an every day player. ugh
Lombadozzi will be the guy I suppose, but that kills depth if he's out past May.
What's more concerning is the Tigers don't expect to roster a true backup SS, so Suarez or Perez could start the season at SS but I'm not sure either would normally stick after. This may mean some roster adjusting.Iggy may not be ready for opening day with shin splints. This is a little concerning since this bothered him late last season as well.
Lombo at SS? Kelly platoon in left?What's more concerning is the Tigers don't expect to roster a true backup SS, so Suarez or Perez could start the season at SS but I'm not sure either would normally stick after. This may mean some roster adjusting.Iggy may not be ready for opening day with shin splints. This is a little concerning since this bothered him late last season as well.
Don Kelly, Avilia, AJAX, Miggy and Castellanos are all having good springs thus far. Drew Smyly not so much.
I think Lombardozzi would be the backup SS if they don't carry another one, but I'm not sure he'd play there unless it was an emergency.Da Guru said:Lombo at SS? Kelly platoon in left?Doctor Detroit said:What's more concerning is the Tigers don't expect to roster a true backup SS, so Suarez or Perez could start the season at SS but I'm not sure either would normally stick after. This may mean some roster adjusting.Iggy may not be ready for opening day with shin splints. This is a little concerning since this bothered him late last season as well.
Don Kelly, Avilia, AJAX, Miggy and Castellanos are all having good springs thus far. Drew Smyly not so much.
Shoot meDa Guru said:Lombo at SS? Kelly platoon in left?Doctor Detroit said:What's more concerning is the Tigers don't expect to roster a true backup SS, so Suarez or Perez could start the season at SS but I'm not sure either would normally stick after. This may mean some roster adjusting.Iggy may not be ready for opening day with shin splints. This is a little concerning since this bothered him late last season as well.
Don Kelly, Avilia, AJAX, Miggy and Castellanos are all having good springs thus far. Drew Smyly not so much.
I could not agree more. Between domes & warm weather locations it could be done, but instead they want the fans to freeze and players to go from 80 degrees to 40 degrees in one game.Apple Juice said:I know there are several reasons against it, but I still feel like all opening days should take place on the west coast or in domes. An extra week increases the odds of tolerable weather in cold weather spots.
sI could not agree more. Between domes & warm weather locations it could be done, but instead they want the fans to freeze and players to go from 80 degrees to 40 degrees in one game.Apple Juice said:I know there are several reasons against it, but I still feel like all opening days should take place on the west coast or in domes. An extra week increases the odds of tolerable weather in cold weather spots.
Well they better come up with something now that Iglesias may be out for most of the season.Shoot meDa Guru said:Lombo at SS? Kelly platoon in left?What's more concerning is the Tigers don't expect to roster a true backup SS, so Suarez or Perez could start the season at SS but I'm not sure either would normally stick after. This may mean some roster adjusting.Don Kelly, Avilia, AJAX, Miggy and Castellanos are all having good springs thus far. Drew Smyly not so much.Iggy may not be ready for opening day with shin splints. This is a little concerning since this bothered him late last season as well.
My concern with Smyly is he's never logged a lot of innings. When they had him in the rotation in 2012 he got blisters and was sidelined during that season. I just wonder whether he's built to pitch a ton of innings as a starter. I guess we will find out.http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2013/05/detroit_tigers_drew_smyly_blis.htmlYou forgot the part where Smyly pitches as well or better out the #4 spot as Fister would have, which is probably the most important development for 2014.
I got in about 10:02 and was able to get 4 in 345 AKA the worst seats in the parkFour standing room only tickets purchased for opening day. That was 'best available' about five minutes after the virtual doors opened.