o, you think we should be scooping fitzmagic?With a combination of Matt Schaub, Case Keenum, and TJ Yates at QB and Foster missing half the season, Johnson still put together a 109-1407-5 season last year.
I don't see how the current situation could be a worse situation than last year. Now the Texans have Bill O'Brien as head coach, and Tom Brady seemed to do pretty well with O'Brien as OC.
I have scooped up Johnson in as many leagues as I can, as he has fallen way more than he should have. More for the rest of us, I guess.
Yeah, I don't get it. I recently got Andre at the 4/5 turn along with Patterson in an experts draft. They were WRs 17 and 18 off the board.With a combination of Matt Schaub, Case Keenum, and TJ Yates at QB and Foster missing half the season, Johnson still put together a 109-1407-5 season last year.
I don't see how the current situation could be a worse situation than last year. Now the Texans have Bill O'Brien as head coach, and Tom Brady seemed to do pretty well with O'Brien as OC.
I have scooped up Johnson in as many leagues as I can, as he has fallen way more than he should have. More for the rest of us, I guess.
Fitz has been remarkably effective as a fantasy QB, sucks in the W-L column in real football but in fantasy he does fine.o, you think we should be scooping fitzmagic?With a combination of Matt Schaub, Case Keenum, and TJ Yates at QB and Foster missing half the season, Johnson still put together a 109-1407-5 season last year.
I don't see how the current situation could be a worse situation than last year. Now the Texans have Bill O'Brien as head coach, and Tom Brady seemed to do pretty well with O'Brien as OC.
I have scooped up Johnson in as many leagues as I can, as he has fallen way more than he should have. More for the rest of us, I guess.
How is that any different from last year?Too much going on around Houston to be comfortable with any of their players. Fitzpatrick has shown that he is capable of putting up solid fantasy numbers but he doesn't win real NFL games so his O/U for # of starts is probably 6 which puts likely Case "never-will-be-enough-to-be-a-has-been" Keenum and incredibly raw rookie Tom Savage in line to play a lot this year both of which deflate AJs value.
I think most fantasy players would rather Houston players become someone else's problem. The safest player to draft from Houston is the defense.
Kubiak comes from the Shanahan system where they feed their primary WR constantly all over the field (except near the end zone for some reason), Rod Smith, Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Pierre Garcon were all target monsters in that offense. O'Brien was the OC for one season in NE during Welker's run of 110+ catches in 4 of 5 seasons so I am not absolutely certain what his philosophy really is.With a combination of Matt Schaub, Case Keenum, and TJ Yates at QB and Foster missing half the season, Johnson still put together a 109-1407-5 season last year.
I don't see how the current situation could be a worse situation than last year. Now the Texans have Bill O'Brien as head coach, and Tom Brady seemed to do pretty well with O'Brien as OC.
I have scooped up Johnson in as many leagues as I can, as he has fallen way more than he should have. More for the rest of us, I guess.
really?How is that any different from last year?Too much going on around Houston to be comfortable with any of their players. Fitzpatrick has shown that he is capable of putting up solid fantasy numbers but he doesn't win real NFL games so his O/U for # of starts is probably 6 which puts likely Case "never-will-be-enough-to-be-a-has-been" Keenum and incredibly raw rookie Tom Savage in line to play a lot this year both of which deflate AJs value.
I think most fantasy players would rather Houston players become someone else's problem. The safest player to draft from Houston is the defense.
As far as I can tell the only real difference between this year and last is his stink about not being happy in Houston, but I highly doubt that translates to him not playing as hard or anything of the sort.
New coaching staff, possibly lesser QB play and what looks like a much better defense which may lead to more games where Hou tries to control the clock and reduce the number of plays in the game. I certainly don't see them adopting a fast tempo offense.How is that any different from last year?Too much going on around Houston to be comfortable with any of their players. Fitzpatrick has shown that he is capable of putting up solid fantasy numbers but he doesn't win real NFL games so his O/U for # of starts is probably 6 which puts likely Case "never-will-be-enough-to-be-a-has-been" Keenum and incredibly raw rookie Tom Savage in line to play a lot this year both of which deflate AJs value.
I think most fantasy players would rather Houston players become someone else's problem. The safest player to draft from Houston is the defense.
As far as I can tell the only real difference between this year and last is his stink about not being happy in Houston, but I highly doubt that translates to him not playing as hard or anything of the sort.
You should be more concerned about the offense then the QBs. His first three seasons with Dom Capers/Chris Palmer he averaged 4.1, 4.9 & 4.8 receptions/game. With Kubs he averaged 6.4, 6.7, 7.2, 6.3, 6.6, 4.7, 7.0 & 6.8 receptions/game.Johnson ranks #2 all-time in receiving yds/gm after Megatron. And Houston's QBs have been far from top shelf. Matt Schaub, David Carr, Sage Rosenfels, Case Keenum, TJ Yates, Tony Banks, Dave Ragone, Jake Delhomme, Matt Leinart, and Rex Grossman. That's who Johnson has had to work with. Now add in Ryan Kirkpatrick. Is he that much worse than the rest of those guys?
I disagree quite a bit on thatNew coaching staff, possibly lesser QB play and what looks like a much better defense which may lead to more games where Hou tries to control the clock and reduce the number of plays in the game. I certainly don't see them adopting a fast tempo offense.How is that any different from last year?Too much going on around Houston to be comfortable with any of their players. Fitzpatrick has shown that he is capable of putting up solid fantasy numbers but he doesn't win real NFL games so his O/U for # of starts is probably 6 which puts likely Case "never-will-be-enough-to-be-a-has-been" Keenum and incredibly raw rookie Tom Savage in line to play a lot this year both of which deflate AJs value.
I think most fantasy players would rather Houston players become someone else's problem. The safest player to draft from Houston is the defense.
As far as I can tell the only real difference between this year and last is his stink about not being happy in Houston, but I highly doubt that translates to him not playing as hard or anything of the sort.
This seems like weak arguments to me when you consider he produced WR1 numbers last year with:I avoided him because:
1. QB situation, Fitzpatrick isn't going to scare anybody. IMO he is an upgrade from Schaub 2013, but that's not saying much.
2. RB situation, will Foster keep up his production?
3. 1 & 2 together makes this team as a whole a scary situation.
4. The fact that AJ made such a big stink about wanting to be traded in the offseason. I saw a interview where he said "I don't like where this team is going," or something to that effect.
the list was intended to be a generalized summary of why people would avoid him, personally #1 scares me the most and as I stated above IMO Schaub > Fitzpatrick without question pending the rest of their careers. I will concede AJ put up borderline WR1 numbers in a similarly bad situation last year if you look at the season ending numbers, but if you look deeper he had 6 weeks with receiving yards less than 50 and all five of his TD's for the year came in two weeks.This seems like weak arguments to me when you consider he produced WR1 numbers last year with:I avoided him because:
1. QB situation, Fitzpatrick isn't going to scare anybody. IMO he is an upgrade from Schaub 2013, but that's not saying much.
2. RB situation, will Foster keep up his production?
3. 1 & 2 together makes this team as a whole a scary situation.
4. The fact that AJ made such a big stink about wanting to be traded in the offseason. I saw a interview where he said "I don't like where this team is going," or something to that effect.
1. His starting QBs were Schaub/Keenum
2. Foster/Tate & running game didn't produce last year
3. See 1 & 2, the team/offense was bad and AJ still produced.
4. Don't have anything on this, but I don't evaluate based on narratives.
I guess if you wanted to use those arguments you would have to say that because of his age/health/new system he will not be able to pull it off again this year.
He put up 1400+ last year with Schaub, Keenum, and Yates. What is worse about his situation this year? Do you think Fitz is a major downgrade from Schaub?Too much going on around Houston to be comfortable with any of their players. Fitzpatrick has shown that he is capable of putting up solid fantasy numbers but he doesn't win real NFL games so his O/U for # of starts is probably 6 which puts likely Case "never-will-be-enough-to-be-a-has-been" Keenum and incredibly raw rookie Tom Savage in line to play a lot this year both of which deflate AJs value.
I think most fantasy players would rather Houston players become someone else's problem. The safest player to draft from Houston is the defense.
no kubiakHe put up 1400+ last year with Schaub, Keenum, and Yates. What is worse about his situation this year? Do you think Fitz is a major downgrade from Schaub?Too much going on around Houston to be comfortable with any of their players. Fitzpatrick has shown that he is capable of putting up solid fantasy numbers but he doesn't win real NFL games so his O/U for # of starts is probably 6 which puts likely Case "never-will-be-enough-to-be-a-has-been" Keenum and incredibly raw rookie Tom Savage in line to play a lot this year both of which deflate AJs value.
I think most fantasy players would rather Houston players become someone else's problem. The safest player to draft from Houston is the defense.
So? I'm sure other coaches will want to feed the ball to this beast of a receiver.no kubiakHe put up 1400+ last year with Schaub, Keenum, and Yates. What is worse about his situation this year? Do you think Fitz is a major downgrade from Schaub?Too much going on around Houston to be comfortable with any of their players. Fitzpatrick has shown that he is capable of putting up solid fantasy numbers but he doesn't win real NFL games so his O/U for # of starts is probably 6 which puts likely Case "never-will-be-enough-to-be-a-has-been" Keenum and incredibly raw rookie Tom Savage in line to play a lot this year both of which deflate AJs value.
I think most fantasy players would rather Houston players become someone else's problem. The safest player to draft from Houston is the defense.
which has only been mentioned maybe 100x in this thread alone
football's an emotional gameI just saw your post in the Andre Johnson thread that got you a time out. You have a lot of emotion invested here, eh weedhopper?
Because...?I disagree quite a bit on thatNew coaching staff, possibly lesser QB play and what looks like a much better defense which may lead to more games where Hou tries to control the clock and reduce the number of plays in the game. I certainly don't see them adopting a fast tempo offense.How is that any different from last year?Too much going on around Houston to be comfortable with any of their players. Fitzpatrick has shown that he is capable of putting up solid fantasy numbers but he doesn't win real NFL games so his O/U for # of starts is probably 6 which puts likely Case "never-will-be-enough-to-be-a-has-been" Keenum and incredibly raw rookie Tom Savage in line to play a lot this year both of which deflate AJs value.
I think most fantasy players would rather Houston players become someone else's problem. The safest player to draft from Houston is the defense.
As far as I can tell the only real difference between this year and last is his stink about not being happy in Houston, but I highly doubt that translates to him not playing as hard or anything of the sort.
This just loos like a bunch of fluff/noise. Not to call you out specifically, a lot of people feel the same way.I avoided him because:
1. QB situation, Fitzpatrick isn't going to scare anybody. IMO he is an upgrade from Schaub 2013, but that's not saying much.
2. RB situation, will Foster keep up his production?
3. 1 & 2 together makes this team as a whole a scary situation.
4. The fact that AJ made such a big stink about wanting to be traded in the offseason. I saw a interview where he said "I don't like where this team is going," or something to that effect.
hmm, i'm not sure about 3 years, but i'll take your word for it. and your answer sounds like everyone else who does want to draft him early and i don't disagree. read my response a few posts up though regarding his numbers from last year, they are not fantasy stud worthy on a week to week basis.This just loos like a bunch of fluff/noise. Not to call you out specifically, a lot of people feel the same way.I avoided him because:
1. QB situation, Fitzpatrick isn't going to scare anybody. IMO he is an upgrade from Schaub 2013, but that's not saying much.
2. RB situation, will Foster keep up his production?
3. 1 & 2 together makes this team as a whole a scary situation.
4. The fact that AJ made such a big stink about wanting to be traded in the offseason. I saw a interview where he said "I don't like where this team is going," or something to that effect.
1. Like you said, Shaub was brutal and he put up a monster PPR season. Fitz locks onto guys, he's inconsistent and throws picks but for fantasy he's not a total disaster.
2. Who cares about the RB situation? Would you Drop Jeremy Maclin in your ranks if Shady got hurt? You can argue this both ways too, less RB production=more passing.
3. The team was the worst in the league last year and he put up that year.
4. Who wouldn't be unhappy on a 2-14 team. It's the NFL, he's not just going to stop trying.
People have been inventing reasons to NOT draft Andre for 3 years in a row. The one LEGIT thing is that he's 33 now, and there will be a year when it starts to come to an end. Whether that is this year is anyone's guess though.
Now I feel like a sucker for taking him at 3.05.I just drafted AJ at 7.5 in a minor 10 team league. I feel better about having Hopkins on my keeper team.
drafted him in the 3rd as well. I've done very well with him the past 2 years and i'm riding him out until he flops.Now I feel like a sucker for taking him at 3.05.I just drafted AJ at 7.5 in a minor 10 team league. I feel better about having Hopkins on my keeper team.
that's a nice tandem. Get the stability from one guy and huge upside from the other.Yeah, I don't get it. I recently got Andre at the 4/5 turn along with Patterson in an experts draft. They were WRs 17 and 18 off the board.With a combination of Matt Schaub, Case Keenum, and TJ Yates at QB and Foster missing half the season, Johnson still put together a 109-1407-5 season last year.
I don't see how the current situation could be a worse situation than last year. Now the Texans have Bill O'Brien as head coach, and Tom Brady seemed to do pretty well with O'Brien as OC.
I have scooped up Johnson in as many leagues as I can, as he has fallen way more than he should have. More for the rest of us, I guess.
I did. You seem to enjoy making things more difficult then they need to be.first tell me why you think it's unlikely
I assume you're similarly downgrading Calvin Johnson, who failed to reach 50 yards in 5 of his 14 games. And Dez Bryant, who also did it 5 times. And Brandon Marshall, who also did it 5 times. And Alshon Jeffery, who also did it 5 times.I will concede AJ put up borderline WR1 numbers in a similarly bad situation last year if you look at the season ending numbers, but if you look deeper he had 6 weeks with receiving yards less than 50