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Accurate.I got a feeling this thread can go in circles a while. Tomorrow will hopefully clarify roles. As I have both Williams and Murray I do not care who is #1. Just PLEASE let there BE a #1
Accurate.I got a feeling this thread can go in circles a while. Tomorrow will hopefully clarify roles. As I have both Williams and Murray I do not care who is #1. Just PLEASE let there BE a #1
Lamar needs to hang onto the ballAlso wasn’t really his fault. OL was terrible and that was definitely a missed assignment.
No coach in their right mind would design a play like that having him block Nassib
Murray was terrible in the preseason- 10 carries for 12 yards and a fumble. Multiple reports said he was slow and his performance lackluster, and his week 1 performance wasn't much better. No offense, but he looked way worse than in his heyday- he used to run a sub 4.4 40, no way does he do so now. He's lost quite a bit, and it's pretty obvious the Saints saw that as well.I think the reason they asked him to take a pay cut was because Jones showed well In the preseason & they wanted to save $.
To my eye, he didn’t look any worse on MNF than he did in NOLA.
what you think is incorrect I see as opinion. My arguments aren’t “false” - you disagree with them.
And that’s ok. Good luck to you.
No bias. Just saying what I’m seeing and sharing an opinion. Thanks for your feedback.Murray was terrible in the preseason- 10 carries for 12 yards and a fumble. Multiple reports said he was slow and his performance lackluster, and his week 1 performance wasn't much better. No offense, but he looked way worse than in his heyday- he used to run a sub 4.4 40, no way does he do so now. He's lost quite a bit, and it's pretty obvious the Saints saw that as well.
You can call anything an opinion if you want to, but some are far more substantiated than others. You keep saying Williams was benched for missing a pass block. Sure, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's been pointed out to you over and over that the play happened on their last offensive play of the game, so I guess you would say that Lamar and their entire offense was benched as well. It's pretty silly.
And your characterization of the Ravens running game is entirely inaccurate. They don't ask their RBs to pass block very often (see the evidence already presented), Williams has been praised for his pass blocking by his coaches and was the only RB who did so on Monday night, and they run the ball up the middle with their RBs FAR more often then they run it to the outside. These really aren't opinions, it's clear if you watch them play, but if you still aren't convinced I suppose you could chart the plays.
Again, I've already admitted that there could be a plausible explanation for his performance and it could get better- maybe he's a bit out of shape, banged up, playing it safe, whatever. However, it's hard to believe anyone could watch him play in the preseason or in week 1 and think he's the same guy as he was. Not even close IMO.
Anyway, this doesn't mean I think Williams is going to run away with the job or Murray is going to get cut. Time will tell how it all shakes out. I just think the arguments being made are way off base, so much so that I have to assume there's a lot of bias involved.
And yet the organization that has seen every rep decided that he was no longer good enough to be their #2 RB and took a dead cap hit in the next 2 years to let him go. And the writers who cover the team said he looked bad. Hmm, should I put more stock in an internet caveman or the Saints organization and their beat writers?No bias. Just saying what I’m seeing and sharing an opinion. Thanks for your feedback.
He looked just like he’s always looked to my layman’s eye on MNF & I rostered him for years; but I’ll conceded that I’m not as keen of an observer as you are. I’m just an unfrozen caveman.
I didn’t see Murray at all in the preseason, but 10 carries sure seems like a really small sample size to me compared to his excellent career where as recently as last year he averaged 4.5 ypc, his highest average yardage since his sophomore season.
But again, what do I, a simple caveman know? Your world frightens and confuses me.
Anyway, you have your opinions, and that’s totally ok. Thanks for sharing them with me.
Have a great rest of your weekend.
Preseason stats means nothing in these casesMurray was terrible in the preseason- 10 carries for 12 yards and a fumble. Multiple reports said he was slow and his performance lackluster, and his week 1 performance wasn't much better. No offense, but he looked way worse than in his heyday- he used to run a sub 4.4 40, no way does he do so now. He's lost quite a bit, and it's pretty obvious the Saints saw that as well.
You can call anything an opinion if you want to, but some are far more substantiated than others. You keep saying Williams was benched for missing a pass block. Sure, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's been pointed out to you over and over that the play happened on their last offensive play of the game, so I guess you would say that Lamar and their entire offense was benched as well. It's pretty silly.
And your characterization of the Ravens running game is entirely inaccurate. They don't ask their RBs to pass block very often (see the evidence already presented), Williams has been praised for his pass blocking by his coaches and was the only RB who did so on Monday night, and they run the ball up the middle with their RBs FAR more often then they run it to the outside. These really aren't opinions, it's clear if you watch them play, but if you still aren't convinced I suppose you could chart the plays.
Again, I've already admitted that there could be a plausible explanation for his performance and it could get better- maybe he's a bit out of shape, banged up, playing it safe, whatever. However, it's hard to believe anyone could watch him play in the preseason or in week 1 and think he's the same guy as he was. Not even close IMO.
Anyway, this doesn't mean I think Williams is going to run away with the job or Murray is going to get cut. Time will tell how it all shakes out. I just think the arguments being made are way off base, so much so that I have to assume there's a lot of bias involved.
Seriously. In 2020 Murray had his best YPC (4.5 on 146 carries) since his rookie season (5.2 on just 82 carries), he’s missed 1 game in 4 seasons, and he’s had an almost identical carry total the last 3 seasons. He’s also been a capable receiver out of the backfield, with 22/26, 34/43 & 23/26 the last 3 seasons, respectively.Preseason stats means nothing in these cases
I think right now the Ravens aren't concerned about finding a playmaker at RB. Lamar is their playmaker. They want a running back who is reliable. A guy who can pass block, and hold on to the ball. A guy who knows where to be on offense.
RIP Keerock.No bias. Just saying what I’m seeing and sharing an opinion. Thanks for your feedback.
He looked just like he’s always looked to my layman’s eye on MNF & I rostered him for years; but I’ll conceded that I’m not as keen of an observer as you are. I’m just an unfrozen caveman.
I didn’t see Murray at all in the preseason, but 10 carries sure seems like a really small sample size to me compared to his excellent career where as recently as last year he averaged 4.5 ypc, his highest average yardage since his sophomore season.
But again, what do I, a simple caveman know? Your world frightens and confuses me.
Anyway, you have your opinions, and that’s totally ok. Thanks for sharing them with me.
Have a great rest of your weekend.
The best way to beat Mahomes is to keep him on the sidelines. If I’m Baltimore I run the ball as much as possible.KC gave up 4 TDs to RBs last week. Sounds like there is plenty to go around.
if Bal get behind will they want the explosiveness. Will they start out with time sucking drives?
So you're saying start Williams?The best way to beat Mahomes is to keep him on the sidelines. If I’m Baltimore I run the ball as much as possible.
That's kind of how I'm leaning towards a well. Maybe even less carries. I see his value as a stash for later in the season.Have him in multiple leagues and have very low expectations this week. Like 8-30 and 1 catch for 5 yards low. Hope I’m wrong.
1 catch? Really?Have him in multiple leagues and have very low expectations this week. Like 8-30 and 1 catch for 5 yards low. Hope I’m wrong.
That's pretty optimistic. I hope your right. I just don't see him being on the field that much to garner a line like that.1 catch? Really?
I am calling
11 - 55 and 5 catches for 39 yards
with a decent chance score
I tend to agree and don't pay much attention to them generally, although fumbles are never good. I only brought it up as a counter to the argument that he wasn't cut due to performance. Both Freeman and Murray had terrible preseason stats and Jones Jr. had good stats- Freeman and Murray were cut and Jones became the #2 RB.Preseason stats means nothing in these cases
His range of outcomes is wide IMO, but 5 catches would be very surprising. The Ravens just don't utilize their RBs in the passing game much, combined they only averaged ~3 catches per game last year and no one had 5 in one game.1 catch? Really?
I am calling
11 - 55 and 5 catches for 39 yards
with a decent chance score
I don't think so, but it's certainly possible.Have him starting over Davis and Javonte in one full ppr and him over JRob and Dillon in a half. Tampa and Denver run D is the main (and Urban Meyer’s weird decisions week 1) reason. People really think Williams is only touching the ball a handful of times this week?
His range of outcomes is wide IMO, but 5 catches would be very surprising. The Ravens just don't utilize their RBs in the passing game much, combined they only averaged ~3 catches per game last year and no one had 5 in one game.
I don't think so, but it's certainly possible.
Wait what? You agree that preseason stats are meaningless, and you only brought up a completely irrelevant tiny sample size of 10 preseason snaps to show that he had a poor performance to counter the argument that he wasn’t cut for poor performance?I tend to agree and don't pay much attention to them generally, although fumbles are never good. I only brought it up as a counter to the argument that he wasn't cut due to performance.
Lol whatever dude, keep thinking that Murray looks as good as he ever has and the Ravens have their RBs do completely different things than they actually do. It's almost like you're trying to be wrong, but you're entitled to your opinion.Wait what? You agree that preseason stats are meaningless, and you only brought up a completely irrelevant tiny sample size of 10 preseason snaps to show that he had a poor performance to counter the argument that he wasn’t cut for poor performance?
that seems wildly contradictory.
Yep, they were brutal, and I don't disagree with the premise, it's just not something that they have incorporated much (partly because Lamar isn't particularly good at it). I think they'd much prefer to run it down their throats, but we'll see whether that works.Staley and Villenueva were getting destroyed last week, IIRC, PFF had them the 64th and 65th worst performing tackles in Week One. If BAL is going to mitigate poor T play.....they're going to have to shed past expectations and dink and dunk to mitigate any O Line ineffectiveness. Averaging 5 catches is too much for their O over the course of a ful season......but I could see them throwing alot more to the RBS (Freeman and Bell are historically good catching RBs, Williams is supposed to be a good catching RB and Murray can do it with a modicum of effectiveness) in the next few games to help right their ship. Heck, with Brown ailing and Batemen out...it's not like they have a plethora of talent at the WR position to throw to right now anyway.
So you were being wildly contradictory but won’t admit it.Lol whatever dude, keep thinking that Murray looks as good as he ever has and the Ravens have their RBs do completely different things than they actually do. It's almost like you're trying to be wrong, but you're entitled to your opinion.
I love you both. Both good posters. But this conversation is going in circles. Maybe take it to the private chat or both just realize it’s not going to be “won” on an Internet forum.So you were being wildly contradictory but won’t admit it.
and yet you call out as being wrong.
Got it.
All good. Good luck with Ty’son.I love you both. Both good posters. But this conversation is going in circles. Maybe take it to the private chat or both just realize it’s not going to be “won” on an Internet forum.
I keep popping in here thinking I might catch some Ty’son news.
Have both and am avoiding for now. Gaskin it is in flex. But I would agree Ty’son is the upside pick.Ugh, I think Williams wins in a "hot hand" scenario just because of his burst. Now I'm triple guessing myself, There's no way I pick the right guy for my flex spot this week. Going to lose to Gano kicking 5 fgs.
For today, I would agree, but things can change fast depending on how the game goes.This backfield is a fantasy wasteland.
I think it’s coachspeak & all the RBs will vulture carries from each other.Ugh, I think Williams wins in a "hot hand" scenario just because of his burst. Now I'm triple guessing myself, There's no way I pick the right guy for my flex spot this week. Going to lose to Gano kicking 5 fgs.
This seems like the correct answer until things work themselves out.This backfield is a fantasy wasteland.
Higgins sure. The rest. I think I’d roll with Ty’son. Though a case can be made for a boom or bust again with Kirk.This is driving me crazy. Ty'Son Williams? Or do I bench him for Conner? Higgins? Pitts? Kirk? ARRGGGGG.
All good.All good. Good luck with Ty’son.
Or good, if he’s in a RB quagmire.All good.
And I’m a sick person. I traded away Ty’son after game one, so I’m just in here second guessing everything in my team and life.
So…. Bad Luck with Ty’son I guess.
The top rushing team in the NFL?This backfield is a fantasy wasteland.
All good.
And I’m a sick person. I traded away Ty’son after game one, so I’m just in here second guessing everything in my team and life.
So…. Bad Luck with Ty’son I guess.
“Hot hand” favors Williams…“NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Ravens could "roll with the hot hand" for their backfield in Week 2 against the Chiefs.
He noted that Ty'Son Williams, Devonta Freeman, and Latavius Murray "should all see carries." The addition of Freeman turns this backfield into a trio and could make all three backs useless for fantasy purposes. Murray and Williams split the carries in Week 1. Williams totaled 65 yards and a touchdown on nine carries and looked like the more explosive back of the two in his debut. However, he also missed a crucial pass-block late in the game that resulted in a Lamar Jackson fumble. Williams is a risky but viable FLEX option this week while Freeman and Murray can be left on the bench for now.”
the “hot hand” approach.
Maybe? I figure it favors the guy who shows whatever the coaches want to see.“Hot hand” favors Williams…
Sermon seems like a very risky start to me. Everything I hear points to Mitchell getting the bulk of the touches.!I have him on the bench with Singletary. Starting Jamal Williams and Sermon
Started TySon last week though