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✦✦✦Official 2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)
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JaxBill
Footballguy
What's the point? If somebody gives him a front-loaded offer, Steelers' cap situation prevents them from matching.
The Hank
Footballguy
Who knows, maybe if it is a reasonable deal they match and let go of Woodley -- I think its better than giving him no tag at all.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 1m
Will be even more interesting now to see how much cap room PIT can clear and if they could handle a cap-heavy offer for Worilds ..
Will be even more interesting now to see how much cap room PIT can clear and if they could handle a cap-heavy offer for Worilds ..
B-Deep
Footballguy
this tweet followed that up:
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 5m
A year ago the Pats put in a tepid offer sheet on Sanders, an RFA at the time, and PIT was able to match, even in a cap crunch then as well
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 5m
A year ago the Pats put in a tepid offer sheet on Sanders, an RFA at the time, and PIT was able to match, even in a cap crunch then as well
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
As he was in the last year of a deal, it almost has to include an extension. It's either that or a straight up pay cut.I assume this includes an extension of some type
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed. At least now it is going to take a front-loaded contract or one with a lot in guaranteed money for another team to sign Worilds, which may be enough to discourage other teams from talking to him. And let's face it, if another team is willing to give Worilds a crazy offer the Steelers aren't going to match it anyway.
The Steelers can now try to sign him to a long term deal - the sooner the better so they can decide on Woodley fate and free money for possible FAs.
The Hank
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Love this move. The secondary was dramatically better when he took over for Mundy in 2012 and again last year when we picked him back up after Dallas let him go. Provides much needed veteran depth and has a knack for creating turnovers.
It is great to have him back at what I am sure is a bargain price.
The Hank
Footballguy
@tompelissero Heath Miller's restructure with #Steelers included a 2-year extension. Base salaries of $4M in 2015 and '16. Cap # down to $6,133,166 in '14
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B-Deep
Footballguy
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 51s
The #Steelers announce they have extended S Troy Polamalu thru 2016 (along with Heath Miller). Expect $10.8M cap number to go down.
The #Steelers announce they have extended S Troy Polamalu thru 2016 (along with Heath Miller). Expect $10.8M cap number to go down.
B-Deep
Footballguy
yeah, he has earned that i think, even if it means they had to pay more then they should. Which does not mean they DID pay more, i dunno what the deal is.Very glad Troy will retire a Steeler. Didn't want another Woodson situation.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Steelers making some solid moves here.
The Hank
Footballguy
I think the Steelers draft Mike Evans (TAMU - WR), Justin Gilbert (OKST - CB), Darqueze Dennard (MICH ST - CB), Taylor Lewan (MICH – T), Kony Ealy (MIZZOU – DE), Kelvin Benjamin (FSU – WR) or Louis Nix (ND - NT) at this point. They’ll have a few of those guys available at that time too – I wouldn’t mind trading down and getting extra picks later to help fill in some holes on Defense.
I doubt they go Safety (Haha Clinton-Dix/Calvin Pryor) or Tight End (Eric Ebron) now that we locked up Troy and Heath for a few more years.
I doubt they go Safety (Haha Clinton-Dix/Calvin Pryor) or Tight End (Eric Ebron) now that we locked up Troy and Heath for a few more years.
The Hank
Footballguy
Unless Ike Taylor agrees to one of these (a much lower cap # and an additional season or 2 at a much lower rate), then he is as good as gone.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
They could still go S cause I doubt Troy will be starting if he is even still around for the final year of his contract and we know it can take a season or two to become effective in the Steelers defense.
They could also still take a TE cause their depth at that position is not that great and there is nothing wrong with having two TEs as receiving threats.
That said I think they're going to go CB or either NT or DE. A WR wouldn't shock me either.
The Hank
Footballguy
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1m
Steelers gave S Troy Polamalu a three-year, $20 million extension that saves Pittsburgh $4.5 million against the salary cap this year
The Hank
Footballguy
They pared about $7-9 mil with these 2 deals off of the 2014 cap.
I'd probably say they are still $1-3 mil over, once Levi Brown gets released, that # will go down by $6.5 mil.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I read Troy's deal cut 4.5M off the cap and Miller's 3.1M for a total of 7.6M reduction to the cap. Reports say still about 7M over the cap but that does include Worilds deal. So cut Levi and gain another 6.25M. Gettting under the 133M cap by Tuesday should be easy.
Signing Worilds to a long term deal could knock his cap hit down to around 4M this year.
Signing Worilds to a long term deal could knock his cap hit down to around 4M this year.
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
:salute: to Foote 
:eatdicks: for Levi and Curtis.
:eatdicks: for Levi and Curtis.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
According to what I see, cap savings for the three cuts are:
Levi Brown: $6.25M
Larry Foote: $1.16M
Curtis Brown: $645K
Just a hair over $8M cap space freed with these three cuts.
Levi Brown: $6.25M
Larry Foote: $1.16M
Curtis Brown: $645K
Just a hair over $8M cap space freed with these three cuts.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
I still think they're a little over a million over the cap, by my count(which could totally be off). Should be able to get under easily by Tuesday though, especially if they get Worilds inked to something longer-term before then.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Agreed. Allen for what Im assuming is just a little over the vet minimum is a nice, no-brainer depth move. Heath for $4M base salary for his extension seems like a steal to me, hopefully he stays healthy. Troy still getting paid pretty damn good with that extension based on what I read in here, but not sure what that means he'd be making in 2016 when he presumably has a noticeably less amount left in the tank.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I really dont think these extensions effect their thoughts on 1st round prospects and what they end up doing, much at all.
Considering the state of the team, Ebron still strikes me as a luxury pick that doesnt make sense for this Steelers roster. If they like him that much though, I dont see Heath getting his extension - hey, lets all admit he was still going to 99% be here in 15-16 anyway, this move just decreases his cap hit this year - leading them to diminishing Ebron's value if they like him.
As for Clinton-Dix, even less of an impact with Troy's extension considering IMO Shamarko is the SS in waiting and Clinton-Dix definitely has the FS pedigree. Also sort of a big "if", but if they drafted Dix and both pan out you dont have to worry about either Safety position for a decade plus. Not needing to worry about it because of Troy and Clark for the better part of a decade was pretty nice, I certainly wouldnt mind that again.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Id presume they transition tagged Worilds with the idea that its likely they can sign him longterm. That said, anyone else a little worried about giving him a fairly lucrative longterm deal? He's never shown the ability of Woodley, and look at where we are all at on Woodley these days.
I guess only time, albeit that time is in the near future, on whether that's the case because it will depend on his new contract, but giving him more than above average money reeks of desperation to me because we have nothing besides Worilds, Woodley, and Jarvis Jones really.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I think Ebron impacts their passing game more than Benjamin. He's the best receiving threat in the draft behind Watkins and Evans. So I'd be very surprised if they went Benjamin.
I've cooled on Ealy. Any of the others works for me, although I actually think Lewan is a luxury (No, no one stole my login)
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Lewan is only a luxury in the "today" context.
He is so much more thne that in the "for the next twelve years" context.
Not that we have a shot in hell at him, he is going top 12.
And Haha was NEVER the Troy replacement, he would be the Ryan Clark replacement.
Shamarko is the SS in reserve that may at some point start. FS is another story.
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Mike Florio (who Im no fan of) makes an insightful comment on Troy Polamalu and Heath Millers restructures...
If true that's a nice job by the front office. Hopefully both players can remain effective and not need to worry about any future cuts. But the team sure seems protected in whatever happens going forward. I dont see how Miller wont remain useful in at least some capacity for two more years.
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Hopefully they bring him back for one more.
Metallurgist
Footballguy
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Antonio Brown restructures to free up 4 million of cap space.
Jason Worilds and the Steelers have made lots of progress towards a long term deal.
Jason Worilds and the Steelers have made lots of progress towards a long term deal.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
If they get extensions with Worilds, Ben and Taylor done in the near future they may have a lot more money to play with then anticipated. Wouldn't mind Lance Moore or Santonio Holmes on the veteran WR front.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
This better not happen.Bojang0301 said:
You meant restructure and paycut?
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Agreed. Ike is going to have to take a big cut in pay to remain with the team. Also I can't see the Steelers bringing Santonio back under any circumstances after they basically gave him away at the peak of his career.
The Hank
Footballguy
Alterraun Verner would look good in black and gold, we were reportedly linked to him in the legal tampering period -- I dont see how the Steelers make his contract work though, he's going to command big $ in FA.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
$10 million/year? Ouch. Really unlikely the Steelers could sign him at that price but he would look good in Black & Gold.
I heard a report the Steelers and Worilds are getting closer to working out a long-term deal. That will definitely a decent chunk of cap space in 2014 (still probably not enough to sign Verner though).
If they came to an agreement with Verner they can cut Ike freeing 7M first before 'officially' signing Verner.
It is probably doable given the ways a team can work with the cap and long tem deals/guarenteed money.
A long term deal with Worilds and resolution of Woodley's status would probably be need too for this to work.
Reports are the 2015 cap could be around 145M and the 2016 cap around 160M.
The Hank
Footballguy
@ScottBrown_ESPN Steelers have inquired about at least three free-agent cornerbacks: Alterraun Verner, Nolan Carroll and Captain Munnerlyn.
The Hank
Footballguy
I'd like to see Verner or Munnerlyn be signed, Munnerlyn would be a good under-the-radar signng for us IMHO
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I'm not sure I like this move. Yes, it clears cap space, but they're going to eat a ton of dead money next year - almost as much as they'd pay him to play this year. Unless they fear he's just never going to stay healthy for 16 games again, they're letting a very good pass rusher go. I'd have preferred to see him, Worilds, and Jarvis in a 3 man rotation. Now they have two wildly unproven guys and basically no depth behind them whatsoever at one of the most important positions on the team.
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