**2010 San Francisco 49ers Offseason Thread** (1 Viewer)

[derek19]

Well, this season had it's highs and lows. 49ers lost a lot of close games to some very good teams. Need to close out those games if they want to be playoff contenders.

Some changes have already been made. Al Everest was fired as the special teams coach, Oline coach Chris Foerster accepted the same position with the Washington Redskins. Singletary hired Mike Solari to replace Chris as the Oline coach. Mike Solari was the TEs/Asst. Offensive Line for the 49ers from 1992-1996. He also worked with Jimmy Raye at KC when Jimmie was the offensive coordinator from 1998 to 2000. Also, former 49er offensive lineman Ray Brown have been hired as an Asst Oline coach. Only thing left to do is to hire a special teams coach and we'll be set for the new season. Read 2nd post about ST coach. First time in last 4 or 5 years 49ers have the same off cord. coming back.

Draft Needs:

OLine

Secondary

If the 49ers starting DT Franklin signs with another team, DT will be a huge need. He was a monster this year.

 

[thecatch]

Only thing left to do is to hire a special teams coach and we'll be set for the new season. First time in last 4 or 5 years 49ers have the same off cord. coming back.

They hired Kurt Schottenheimer as ST coach. I think its been longer than that since the team had an O-Coordinator return, hasn't it? Depressing stuff.

Draft Needs:OLineSecondary

More specifically, I'd rank the needs as follows: (1) Right tackle, (2) KR/PR, (3) Safety, (4) Guard, (5) CB. I'm hoping they can find someone to handle (2) and (5) at the same time. Judging by the early mocks, it looks like they should be able to get two good players at those spots in the first round.

 

[saintfool]

didn't they experiment with nate clements at nickel and/or safety? if he's at nickel going into next then he's overpaid. if he's at safety then does he make a good partner with dashon? dashon put up good numbers for a rookie, i thought. shows a lot of promise.

 

[Twilight]

 

[derek19]

didn't they experiment with nate clements at nickel and/or safety? if he's at nickel going into next then he's overpaid. if he's at safety then does he make a good partner with dashon? dashon put up good numbers for a rookie, i thought. shows a lot of promise.

They moved him to nickle for the Colts game because he matches up better with the bigger WR's than indy's WR's. So they wanted him to basically cover Dallas Clark. Well that ended when he broke his shoulder.

 

[derek19]

Only thing left to do is to hire a special teams coach and we'll be set for the new season. First time in last 4 or 5 years 49ers have the same off cord. coming back.

They hired Kurt Schottenheimer as ST coach. I think its been longer than that since the team had an O-Coordinator return, hasn't it? Depressing stuff.

Draft Needs:OLineSecondary

More specifically, I'd rank the needs as follows: (1) Right tackle, (2) KR/PR, (3) Safety, (4) Guard, (5) CB. I'm hoping they can find someone to handle (3) and (5) at the same time. Judging by the early mocks, it looks like they should be able to get two good players at those spots in the first round.

You are correct sir. I had forgotten about that.

 

[Spaz]

Thanks for starting this one.

We'd better draft an some big uglies.

With Warner retiring we have a reasonable shot at winning the division!

 

[NoFBinLA]

OT (oline in general) and safety help are pretty big IMO. I've been writing about the niners at BleacherReport.com and working on a 7 round mock draft for them. I agree there are some good possibilities with the first round to secure some very good linemen and/or a good safety.

It's possible with that second 1st rounder or in the second round they look at a RB/WR kick return specialist. But most of the first couple of days are - as someone said - all about the bug uglies.

 

[bmsarvis]

OT (oline in general) and safety help are pretty big IMO. I've been writing about the niners at BleacherReport.com and working on a 7 round mock draft for them. I agree there are some good possibilities with the first round to secure some very good linemen and/or a good safety.It's possible with that second 1st rounder or in the second round they look at a RB/WR kick return specialist. But most of the first couple of days are - as someone said - all about the bug uglies.

i have also read that theyre gonna get a rb to compliment gore anybody else heard of this not sure about it since they got coffee last year, does this hold water?

 

[NoFBinLA]

OT (oline in general) and safety help are pretty big IMO. I've been writing about the niners at BleacherReport.com and working on a 7 round mock draft for them. I agree there are some good possibilities with the first round to secure some very good linemen and/or a good safety.It's possible with that second 1st rounder or in the second round they look at a RB/WR kick return specialist. But most of the first couple of days are - as someone said - all about the bug uglies.

i have also read that theyre gonna get a rb to compliment gore anybody else heard of this not sure about it since they got coffee last year, does this hold water?

I think the ONLY way they pick up a RB early is in the return game. I believe they are pretty happy with Gore/Coffee so far and have shown they are not afraid to roll along with just a pair of RBs (and a special teams guys).If they take a Spiller or a Best or any number of backs, it will probably because of what they bring to the return game.Can they take one late? Sure, but I don't think they'll put it as a high priority unless - again - it fixes the return game first.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Thanks for starting this one.

We'd better draft an some big uglies.

With Warner retiring we have a reasonable shot at winning the division!

I think you have a better than average shot myself - there's not much in that division aside from the Cards and you don't replace a HOF QB easily and keep on truckin.Sure the Hawks or Rams could surprise. But Both are significant rebuilding projects. The Cards still have a grea WR core but they could take a step back without Warner. Wells and Hightower will help, but this is an offense that likes to throw and it won't be easy to do that anymore.

I think the 49ers - with some additions in the oline and secondary as well as a second off-season with vrtually the same staff - could be in the drivers seat in 2010.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

I posted this scenario in the other 49ers thread so I'll post it here too.

The Niners and Seahawks have 2 first rounders. Seattle won't take a rb with their early 1st rounder but a lot of talk about them taking one at #14. When the 49ers first pick rolls around(#13) if CJ Spiller is there I say we take him. My reasoning. He should be the top rated back and we could keep him away from a division opponet. Adding another weapon, that can contribute right away, is going to help Smith to better succeed. Coffee may be ok but he's not the talent Spiller is. Spiller could start by spelling Gore and work the return game.Spiller could carry the load should Gore miss significant time. There are numerous teams that have 2 or 3 rb's that could start if needed. Even though Gore will be 27 in May we'd have a future back in Spiller. It would also help to keep Gore fresh and healthy for later in the season. We could surely get a pretty good O-lineman with our 2nd first rounder(#17) and address secondary help in the 2nd,3rd round or FA. We can get secondary help through these avenues I just said but we can't just get a top rated back that easily.You gotta put points on the board to win and drafting Spiller would give us added opportunity to do that.

Since Warner retired drafting Spiller would make our chances of winning the division that much better. If they're gonna roll with Alex Smith then don't hamper this opportunity to be successful, give him more offensive firepower and draft Spiller. I'm sure we didn't anticipate Crabtree falling to us last year but we took him and I'm glad we did. Such should be the case if Spiller is available @13. Singletary is a defensive minded coach and he'll find ways to improve the D if we choose to draft CJ.Yes I know we need defense help but the 49ers weren't all that bad on defense last year. Surely there will be guys in the 2nd round and later,or through FA, that we can add that'll help our secondary. I implore the 49ers not to miss this opportunity to get what will probably be the top rated RB in the draft. So I'm praying that the Niners management and coaches think the way I do, draft Spiller and increase our chances to put points on the board and win ball games. So what do you other 49ers fans think about my suggestion to draft CJ Spiller? I guarantee you we'll be happy if we do.

 

[thecatch]

IMO, it'd be a waste of a 1st rounder to get a change of pace back/returner. If there's a Harvin type talent who can be used at WR too, maybe that's something to consider, but I think even taking two O-linemen would help Smith more than a backup RB. Gore doesn't have a ton of mileage, and the team has too many holes to have the luxury of drafting a RB of the future.

 

[JohnnyU]

Will Nate Davis be the starter sometime in 2010?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Think I'd take two o-lineman in the 1st and lock Vernon up to a long term deal.

 

[Spaz]

Will Nate Davis be the starter sometime in 2010?

I'd be very surprised. He was supposed to take a long time to develop and the earliest I could see him getting a shot is in 2011 (barring massive injuries to Smith).I did think he showed the most poise and potential in last year's preseason games so I remain optimistic.

 

[Spaz]

I posted this scenario in the other 49ers thread so I'll post it here too.The Niners and Seahawks have 2 first rounders. Seattle won't take a rb with their early 1st rounder but a lot of talk about them taking one at #14. When the 49ers first pick rolls around(#13) if CJ Spiller is there I say we take him. My reasoning. He should be the top rated back and we could keep him away from a division opponet. Adding another weapon, that can contribute right away, is going to help Smith to better succeed. Coffee may be ok but he's not the talent Spiller is. Spiller could start by spelling Gore and work the return game.Spiller could carry the load should Gore miss significant time. There are numerous teams that have 2 or 3 rb's that could start if needed. Even though Gore will be 27 in May we'd have a future back in Spiller. It would also help to keep Gore fresh and healthy for later in the season. We could surely get a pretty good O-lineman with our 2nd first rounder(#17) and address secondary help in the 2nd,3rd round or FA. We can get secondary help through these avenues I just said but we can't just get a top rated back that easily.You gotta put points on the board to win and drafting Spiller would give us added opportunity to do that.Since Warner retired drafting Spiller would make our chances of winning the division that much better. If they're gonna roll with Alex Smith then don't hamper this opportunity to be successful, give him more offensive firepower and draft Spiller. I'm sure we didn't anticipate Crabtree falling to us last year but we took him and I'm glad we did. Such should be the case if Spiller is available @13. Singletary is a defensive minded coach and he'll find ways to improve the D if we choose to draft CJ.Yes I know we need defense help but the 49ers weren't all that bad on defense last year. Surely there will be guys in the 2nd round and later,or through FA, that we can add that'll help our secondary. I implore the 49ers not to miss this opportunity to get what will probably be the top rated RB in the draft. So I'm praying that the Niners management and coaches think the way I do, draft Spiller and increase our chances to put points on the board and win ball games. So what do you other 49ers fans think about my suggestion to draft CJ Spiller? I guarantee you we'll be happy if we do.

I think it's a terrible idea. Taking a guy just to play "keep away" is imo a horrible way to build a powerful team. We need a returner but at this point in time we have bigger needs. Gore is still in his prime so it's not like Spiller would be the future. We desperately need some help on the o-line. If we can build a great o-line that will make Gore/Coffee that much more of a threat. It will also make our qb look a lot better. Alex Smith looks pretty good when he throws from the shotgun formation and has some time. Not only do the starters need to be replaced but we have no depth. If we start blowing our load elsewhere we'll start looking like the Redskins.I feel the upgrade from Coffee to Spiller wouldn't be as important as the upgrades we need elsewhere. And when Gore finally gets to the end of his career there will be plenty of up and coming guys we'd be able to draft then. We should be able to get another 2-3 years of elite production from Gore.

 

[derek19]

I posted this scenario in the other 49ers thread so I'll post it here too.The Niners and Seahawks have 2 first rounders. Seattle won't take a rb with their early 1st rounder but a lot of talk about them taking one at #14. When the 49ers first pick rolls around(#13) if CJ Spiller is there I say we take him. My reasoning. He should be the top rated back and we could keep him away from a division opponet. Adding another weapon, that can contribute right away, is going to help Smith to better succeed. Coffee may be ok but he's not the talent Spiller is. Spiller could start by spelling Gore and work the return game.Spiller could carry the load should Gore miss significant time. There are numerous teams that have 2 or 3 rb's that could start if needed. Even though Gore will be 27 in May we'd have a future back in Spiller. It would also help to keep Gore fresh and healthy for later in the season. We could surely get a pretty good O-lineman with our 2nd first rounder(#17) and address secondary help in the 2nd,3rd round or FA. We can get secondary help through these avenues I just said but we can't just get a top rated back that easily.You gotta put points on the board to win and drafting Spiller would give us added opportunity to do that.Since Warner retired drafting Spiller would make our chances of winning the division that much better. If they're gonna roll with Alex Smith then don't hamper this opportunity to be successful, give him more offensive firepower and draft Spiller. I'm sure we didn't anticipate Crabtree falling to us last year but we took him and I'm glad we did. Such should be the case if Spiller is available @13. Singletary is a defensive minded coach and he'll find ways to improve the D if we choose to draft CJ.Yes I know we need defense help but the 49ers weren't all that bad on defense last year. Surely there will be guys in the 2nd round and later,or through FA, that we can add that'll help our secondary. I implore the 49ers not to miss this opportunity to get what will probably be the top rated RB in the draft. So I'm praying that the Niners management and coaches think the way I do, draft Spiller and increase our chances to put points on the board and win ball games. So what do you other 49ers fans think about my suggestion to draft CJ Spiller? I guarantee you we'll be happy if we do.

I agree the 49ers need a good return specialist but no way they draft CJ spiller. There are more pressing needs than drafting spiller. I agree he has a lot of talent but you gotta draft needs.Plus, i don't think coach sing is thinking "gotta draft this guy so a division opponent doesn't get him"

 

[derek19]

Think I'd take two o-lineman in the 1st and lock Vernon up to a long term deal.

Main problem with this, VD i believe he has stated he would like to play for the phins because of where they are located. And his brother is there. But who knows. Maybe coach sing will be able to keep him there.

 

[derek19]

Will Nate Davis be the starter sometime in 2010?

I'd be very surprised. He was supposed to take a long time to develop and the earliest I could see him getting a shot is in 2011 (barring massive injuries to Smith).I did think he showed the most poise and potential in last year's preseason games so I remain optimistic.

Don't forget, Shaun Hill is still the backup. I haven't read anything that they plan on releasing him.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

I didn't base the 49ers taking Spiller on keeping him away from Seattle. It just happened that way. It'd be ridiculous to predicate a draft pick on keeping another team from getting him. I still think he's a good pick.Certainly in the return game. Seattle wouldn't draft him at 14 just to return kicks. The guy is a starting rb.

Ravens-Rice,McGahee//Bills-FJackson,Lynch//Colts-Addai,Brown//Jets-Jones,Greene//Car-D.Williams,Stewart//Cowboys-MBIII,Jones//Minn-ADP,Taylor//N.O.-Bush,P.Thomas//NYG-Jacobs,Bradshaw.These teams have 2 rb's that have talent as starters. Only Carolina and Buffalo didn't make the playoffs this year. I just think Spiller would be a better talent than Coffee. You can disagree, it doesn't matter. Just that Spiller has talent that can be used in a lot of different ways and he would help the 49ers I'm sure of it. If we don't take him, which will probably be the case and I think it's a mistake, we'll see how he does on the team he goes too.

Valid points are made NOT to take Spiller. We definitely need O-Line and secondary help. So that's probably the way the Niners will draft. I just think taking Spiller would help our chances of winning the division, now that Warner's gone, and possibly make the playoffs. If we go OL and DB with those 2 first rounders it'll take at least a year to reap the benefits but helps the 49ers in the future get back to winning.

 

[JohnnyU]

Will Nate Davis be the starter sometime in 2010?

I'd be very surprised. He was supposed to take a long time to develop and the earliest I could see him getting a shot is in 2011 (barring massive injuries to Smith).I did think he showed the most poise and potential in last year's preseason games so I remain optimistic.

Don't forget, Shaun Hill is still the backup. I haven't read anything that they plan on releasing him.

....but doesn't Shaun Hill suck ying yang?

 

[derek19]

Will Nate Davis be the starter sometime in 2010?

I'd be very surprised. He was supposed to take a long time to develop and the earliest I could see him getting a shot is in 2011 (barring massive injuries to Smith).I did think he showed the most poise and potential in last year's preseason games so I remain optimistic.

Don't forget, Shaun Hill is still the backup. I haven't read anything that they plan on releasing him.

....but doesn't Shaun Hill suck ying yang?

I wouldn't say he sucks but I wouldn't say hes good either. He's trent dilfer. Until the last couple weeks of the season, Nate didn't see any action with the 1st team or 2nd team offense. So unless they do decide to get rid of Shaun Hill, it will be a couple years before he becomes the #2 QB.

 

[thecatch]

If we go OL and DB with those 2 first rounders it'll take at least a year to reap the benefits but helps the 49ers in the future get back to winning.

If they draft well, it's not unreasonable to expect immediate production out of early round picks at the positions that the 49ers need help at. For example, I don't think an RT pick in the first round is necessarily a "build for the future" move, given that the team has a poor/below average starting RT right now in Snyder.

 

[LHUCKS]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here...

 

[Spaz]

Will Nate Davis be the starter sometime in 2010?

I'd be very surprised. He was supposed to take a long time to develop and the earliest I could see him getting a shot is in 2011 (barring massive injuries to Smith).I did think he showed the most poise and potential in last year's preseason games so I remain optimistic.

Don't forget, Shaun Hill is still the backup. I haven't read anything that they plan on releasing him.

....but doesn't Shaun Hill suck ying yang?

I wouldn't say he sucks but I wouldn't say hes good either. He's trent dilfer. Until the last couple weeks of the season, Nate didn't see any action with the 1st team or 2nd team offense. So unless they do decide to get rid of Shaun Hill, it will be a couple years before he becomes the #2 QB.

Hill is a good backup. He's not a good starter.

Ghost of Bill Walsh - I don't think Spiller would be a terrible pick (and I agree about having two good rb's). I think they'd be better off taking a guy next year and making do with Coffee for one season more.

 

[Spaz]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here...

We will welcome you and your terrible shtick once Leinart flames out so badly you're forced to join another team.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Actually, if the Niners go OL and secondary with their 2 first rounders I'd say they're both a good bet to start right away and contribute. Just that their contribution right away may not be rcognized but their impact on the rest of the team will be felt and help them as well.

 

[derek19]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here...

Stage left...

 

[derek19]

If we go OL and DB with those 2 first rounders it'll take at least a year to reap the benefits but helps the 49ers in the future get back to winning.

If they draft well, it's not unreasonable to expect immediate production out of early round picks at the positions that the 49ers need help at. For example, I don't think an RT pick in the first round is necessarily a "build for the future" move, given that the team has a poor/below average starting RT right now in Snyder.

If you get drafted in the first round, you better start.

 

[TheWheel]

They have to give the monster at DT a monster contract and they will. He will be Patrick Willis' best friend. I think they will go defense early just to put their defense over the top. I am seriously pulling for Alex Smith to realize himself.

Who should they pursue in free agency?

 

[derek19]

They have to give the monster at DT a monster contract and they will. He will be Patrick Willis' best friend. I think they will go defense early just to put their defense over the top. I am seriously pulling for Alex Smith to realize himself. Who should they pursue in free agency?

Not even sure who's available given the CBA situation.

 

[NoFBinLA]

If we go OL and DB with those 2 first rounders it'll take at least a year to reap the benefits but helps the 49ers in the future get back to winning.

If they draft well, it's not unreasonable to expect immediate production out of early round picks at the positions that the 49ers need help at. For example, I don't think an RT pick in the first round is necessarily a "build for the future" move, given that the team has a poor/below average starting RT right now in Snyder.

There's no reason to think an OT or Dlineman or secondary guy cannot contribute immediately. In fact the last several years multiple OTs have stepped right in and played very well.Looking at the needs, Oline/Dline/LB/Secondary are all big concerns. The only way the team takes a RB/KR guy in the first is if they really dislike the choices they have at positons of need. It's possible that will happen - but at this point (and much may change between now and April including free agency and trades) I don't think the team is really focusing on that over the other bigger needs.

 

[thecatch]

Looking at the needs, Oline/Dline/LB/Secondary are all big concerns.

Interesting. Like every team, they could always add pass rushing help, and maybe some depth at ILB, but I wouldn't classify LB as a pressing need.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Looking at the needs, Oline/Dline/LB/Secondary are all big concerns.

Interesting. Like every team, they could always add pass rushing help, and maybe some depth at ILB, but I wouldn't classify LB as a pressing need.

Pressing may be overvaluing the need a bit but they really need help in the pass rush and an ILB next to Willis would be very helpful in that capacity. But that's also why I lumped LB/DL together - either one would be good, as a whole one of them is necessary. Just doens't have to be one over the other.The problem is, the return game needs help, but they don't need a RB/WR as much as Oline (highest priority IMO) or help in the secondary. But to get a solid return guy, you often need to spend that early pick - and in his case, it's a pick that could be applied to more imprtant places.

In working on the mock i am doing for them, it's a hard balance to find. You hope a guy like Best or Spiller falls but you really don't think so. On the other hand, if you don't grab a guy like them or Golden Tate (good returner, good WR prospect, not a deep need) you end up hoping to find a guy who isn't quite as good in rounds 3-7 and maybe not only missing if he's not quite as good a returner but also wasting a pick anyway on a position of lesser need.

The good thing for the 49ers is, if they get a good player to fill a need with that 12 pick (a top OT or DB) they can roll the dice with that second. IF Spiller is there with the second pick, I prefer him over Best but either one could be good.

That second pick in the 1st is an interesting one - they really could go BPA according to their board. We know they aren't shy about it (HELLOOOOOOOO CRABTREE) so if they don't like the rest of the value, Spiller/Best or someone with dynamic return ability could very well be the call.

 

[derek19]

A pretty good article from MM:

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/0...wn-players.html

 

[derek19]

Tim Graham of ESPN.com reports that Miami Dolphins LB Joey Porter mentioned during a radio interview that he would be interested in playing for team out west and mentioned the San Francisco 49ers.

The other teams he would be interested in include the Cardinals, Chargers.

Porter would like to play for a team close to his family in California.

A previous report by Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post reported that Porter has told the Dolphins that he would like to be traded during the offseason.

Information from KFFL

 

[chinawildman]

Watching the niners this year made me want to pull my hair out... I'm not sure what's more aggravating: 1) Watching Smith stare down receivers and throwing 3 yd passes into coverage... or 2) Watching the coaches go ultraconservative on offense when they're only up by like 3 pts in the 3rd quarter.

I guess sing gets a free pass in his 1st year of coaching, but it's obvious smith isn't the answer. No more 'he's still young, he hasn't been in an offense long enough' excuses... he might have a tommy maddox-esque resurgence at some point later in his career, but for the 49ers he'll be basically a shade above serviceable for the forseeable future. Too skiddish in the pocket, inaccurate, afraid to make mistakes. Not problems that'll go away just because the OC sticks around. I would really like to get a glimpse of what Nate Davis has to offer in 2010.

Draft needs - Forget lineman. I wanna see some scoring. Yea I know u gotta win in the trenches, blah blah... but the niners have invested high draft picks on lineman for a few yrs now and few have panned out. (staley being the odd exception) Harris, Baas, Rachal,... blech. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results...

I wanna see them take Spiller. I wanna see 49er highlights on sportscenter. I want us the fans to be excited about 49er football. I didn't start watching football because I liked watching 3 yds and cloud of dust followed by a punt on 4th and 2 and fighting for field position. I also think it's kind of ridiculous that the niners' fastest player is their tight end.

Take a safety with one of those picks. Earl Thomas gets my vote. Yea I may be biased as a texas alum but that guy just flat out makes plays. And that's what you want to see from your safety. Lewis is done. Goldson's got promise. Reggie "mr. glass" smith has potential but can't ever make it out of preseason. Thomas will be the Willis of the secondary and is always going to be around the ball.

Oline coach was a great hire. it's a relief that neither warhop or forester are around anymore. Raye actually was a pretty decent play caller for the most part IMO, except in teh cases when we're up by 3 pts and he's calling plays like we're up by 3 tds.

And one more thing... why are the niners so bad at running screen passes and at the same time... stopping screens on D? Can we get a "screen" coach or something!?!? Anyhow, got high expectations for 2010. Time for the youngblood to shine.

 

[derek19]

Watching the niners this year made me want to pull my hair out... I'm not sure what's more aggravating: 1) Watching Smith stare down receivers and throwing 3 yd passes into coverage... or 2) Watching the coaches go ultraconservative on offense when they're only up by like 3 pts in the 3rd quarter.

I guess sing gets a free pass in his 1st year of coaching, but it's obvious smith isn't the answer. No more 'he's still young, he hasn't been in an offense long enough' excuses... he might have a tommy maddox-esque resurgence at some point later in his career, but for the 49ers he'll be basically a shade above serviceable for the forseeable future. Too skiddish in the pocket, inaccurate, afraid to make mistakes. Not problems that'll go away just because the OC sticks around. I would really like to get a glimpse of what Nate Davis has to offer in 2010.

Draft needs - Forget lineman. I wanna see some scoring. Yea I know u gotta win in the trenches, blah blah... but the niners have invested high draft picks on lineman for a few yrs now and few have panned out. (staley being the odd exception) Harris, Baas, Rachal,... blech. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results...

I wanna see them take Spiller. I wanna see 49er highlights on sportscenter. I want us the fans to be excited about 49er football. I didn't start watching football because I liked watching 3 yds and cloud of dust followed by a punt on 4th and 2 and fighting for field position. I also think it's kind of ridiculous that the niners' fastest player is their tight end.

Take a safety with one of those picks. Earl Thomas gets my vote. Yea I may be biased as a texas alum but that guy just flat out makes plays. And that's what you want to see from your safety. Lewis is done. Goldson's got promise. Reggie "mr. glass" smith has potential but can't ever make it out of preseason. Thomas will be the Willis of the secondary and is always going to be around the ball.

Oline coach was a great hire. it's a relief that neither warhop or forester are around anymore. Raye actually was a pretty decent play caller for the most part IMO, except in teh cases when we're up by 3 pts and he's calling plays like we're up by 3 tds.

And one more thing... why are the niners so bad at running screen passes and at the same time... stopping screens on D? Can we get a "screen" coach or something!?!? Anyhow, got high expectations for 2010. Time for the youngblood to shine.

So instead of drafting for needs, you want the niners to draft spiller in hopes you'll see a couple highlights on ESPN? The 49ers need to draft Oline and then Taylor Mays or Earl Thomas.About VD being the fastest player, that actually works in the 49ers advantage. No LB or SS can cover him. Defenses can't put their best DB on him or crabtree will tear it up on the outside.

The reason the 49ers can't run a damn screen, tooo many ppl in the box. Can't block them all.

 

[thecatch]

So instead of drafting for needs, you want the niners to draft spiller in hopes you'll see a couple highlights on ESPN? The 49ers need to draft Oline and then Taylor Mays or Earl Thomas.

Not to mention, the Niners already have a big play, sportscenter-worth RB.

 

[derek19]

So instead of drafting for needs, you want the niners to draft spiller in hopes you'll see a couple highlights on ESPN? The 49ers need to draft Oline and then Taylor Mays or Earl Thomas.

Not to mention, the Niners already have a big play, sportscenter-worth RB.

FRANK THE TANK!!

 

[49erBamBam52]

 

[NoFBinLA]

Posted a 7 round 49er Mock on BleacherReport last night. Am thowing it out here because I'm sure everyone will agree with it 100%

Anyway - fire away/enjoy/argue why tebow should be on the list and isn't.

Normally I avoid he seven round thing but it was just one team and they asked nice so...

 

[derek19]

Posted a 7 round 49er Mock on BleacherReport last night. Am thowing it out here because I'm sure everyone will agree with it 100%

Anyway - fire away/enjoy/argue why tebow should be on the list and isn't.

Normally I avoid he seven round thing but it was just one team and they asked nice so...

Can't view it at work. Would you mind posting your first round selections?

 

[thecatch]

Posted a 7 round 49er Mock on BleacherReport last night. Am thowing it out here because I'm sure everyone will agree with it 100%

Anyway - fire away/enjoy/argue why tebow should be on the list and isn't.

Normally I avoid he seven round thing but it was just one team and they asked nice so...

Nicely done. Again, I think you probably overrate the need for immediate pass rush help - the team tied for 3rd in most sacks last year - but if there is a Orakpo-type available early I think the team would definitely make a move there. They'd have to be pretty excited if Haden were available when they picked.

 

[chinawildman]

I was of course exaggerating when I demanded more sportscenter highlights...

The point I was trying to make is that the 49er front office just isn't good at drafting linemen... offense or defense. Aside from Staley, the last 49er lineman that panned out was Justin Smiley. That was a long time ago... and it's not like they haven't been taking lineman early in drafts since then.

The niners need speed on offense and defense, not just big bodies. They passed on DeSean Jackson for Rachal, i don't want to see that same mistake again.

offense

Watching the niners this year made me want to pull my hair out... I'm not sure what's more aggravating: 1) Watching Smith stare down receivers and throwing 3 yd passes into coverage... or 2) Watching the coaches go ultraconservative on offense when they're only up by like 3 pts in the 3rd quarter.

I guess sing gets a free pass in his 1st year of coaching, but it's obvious smith isn't the answer. No more 'he's still young, he hasn't been in an offense long enough' excuses... he might have a tommy maddox-esque resurgence at some point later in his career, but for the 49ers he'll be basically a shade above serviceable for the forseeable future. Too skiddish in the pocket, inaccurate, afraid to make mistakes. Not problems that'll go away just because the OC sticks around. I would really like to get a glimpse of what Nate Davis has to offer in 2010.

Draft needs - Forget lineman. I wanna see some scoring. Yea I know u gotta win in the trenches, blah blah... but the niners have invested high draft picks on lineman for a few yrs now and few have panned out. (staley being the odd exception) Harris, Baas, Rachal,... blech. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results...

I wanna see them take Spiller. I wanna see 49er highlights on sportscenter. I want us the fans to be excited about 49er football. I didn't start watching football because I liked watching 3 yds and cloud of dust followed by a punt on 4th and 2 and fighting for field position. I also think it's kind of ridiculous that the niners' fastest player is their tight end.

Take a safety with one of those picks. Earl Thomas gets my vote. Yea I may be biased as a texas alum but that guy just flat out makes plays. And that's what you want to see from your safety. Lewis is done. Goldson's got promise. Reggie "mr. glass" smith has potential but can't ever make it out of preseason. Thomas will be the Willis of the secondary and is always going to be around the ball.

Oline coach was a great hire. it's a relief that neither warhop or forester are around anymore. Raye actually was a pretty decent play caller for the most part IMO, except in teh cases when we're up by 3 pts and he's calling plays like we're up by 3 tds.

And one more thing... why are the niners so bad at running screen passes and at the same time... stopping screens on D? Can we get a "screen" coach or something!?!? Anyhow, got high expectations for 2010. Time for the youngblood to shine.

So instead of drafting for needs, you want the niners to draft spiller in hopes you'll see a couple highlights on ESPN? The 49ers need to draft Oline and then Taylor Mays or Earl Thomas.About VD being the fastest player, that actually works in the 49ers advantage. No LB or SS can cover him. Defenses can't put their best DB on him or crabtree will tear it up on the outside.

The reason the 49ers can't run a damn screen, tooo many ppl in the box. Can't block them all.

 

[5Rings]

I feel you, chinawildman. I know exactly what you are saying.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Posted a 7 round 49er Mock on BleacherReport last night. Am thowing it out here because I'm sure everyone will agree with it 100%

Anyway - fire away/enjoy/argue why tebow should be on the list and isn't.

Normally I avoid he seven round thing but it was just one team and they asked nice so...

Can't view it at work. Would you mind posting your first round selections?

Just got home - here are the picks - the format I was asked to do was 'Best Case', 'Worst Case' and 'Most Likely' scenarios. So there are actually three possibilities per pick in round 1.1st pick

Round One/Pick 13: Best Case Scenario—OT Russell Okung (OK State)

Round One/Pick 13: Most Likely Scenario—OT Anthony Davis (Rutgers)

Round One/Pick 13 Worst Case Scenario—CB Joe Haden (Florida)

2nd pick

Round One/Pick TBA based on Coin Flip: Best Case Scenario—S Earl Thomas (Texas)

Round One/Pick TBA based on Coin Flip: Most Likely Scenario—DE Carlos Dunlap (Florida)

Round One/Pick TBA based on Coin Flip:Worst Case Scenario—DE/LB Sergio Kindle (Texas)

FWIW I have Best as the Best Case in the 2nd round. He could be the second pick in the 1st as well, but I went conservative.

Will try to stop back later to fill in reasons, but have to make dinner now. Also, of course, explanations are there in the slideshow.

also @thecatch, thanks for the props. I can see your point about the pass rusher. I also think Haden would be a nice pick there.

(also if people have time, I will be discussing this at least in part during my interweb radio show thingie tonight at 10pm EST. Just sayin)

 

[NoFBinLA]

chinawildman:

I actually thought a bunch about what you are talking about when I was doing my mock. I do agree with the point derek was making in that another RB behind a line that had so many problems isn't going to help. HOWEVER the thing about both Spiller and Best is that they can return kicks (Golden Tate could work that way as well).

THAT is a big need - good field position is critical going into this season and I don't think they should risk cobbling a return game together with Robinson and a lot of hope.

 

[chinawildman]

Excellent job on the writeup by the way. If the niners get both Thomas and Haden in the first round, the defense would be fearsome. However if the offense can't stay on the field, even a great defense will eventually break. (See bears circa Rex grossman)I'd still love to see Spiller with one of those first 2 picks and the niners employing him in a Harvin/Bush/cribbs type role on offense/ST. I think too much is made of the fact that a guy doesn't "start"... Josh cribbs was never really a starter but one can argue he was the one guy on the browns that defenses had to account for on every snap.

chinawildman:I actually thought a bunch about what you are talking about when I was doing my mock. I do agree with the point derek was making in that another RB behind a line that had so many problems isn't going to help. HOWEVER the thing about both Spiller and Best is that they can return kicks (Golden Tate could work that way as well). THAT is a big need - good field position is critical going into this season and I don't think they should risk cobbling a return game together with Robinson and a lot of hope.