My point is, people were onto guys like Bonds, Sosa, McGwire because they got ridiculously huge. They were onto guys like Clemens and Brady Anderson because they had abnormal spikes at odd times. Pettitte was under the radar and nobody really questioned anything about him, much like with Ryan. Their stats remained consistent from year to year. After the fact, yes we all look at it and say "Hey where was the decline phase". But at the time, nobody was questioning Pettitte and wondering if he was on the juice.So like I said, if a guy like Pettitte can slide in under the radar with nary a whisper about him, then we need to question every single guy in the league. Maybe a guy only hit 2 HR in 600 ABs. But maybe without juice, he was no better than a AA player. Maybe a guy didn't decline at age 35 but he should have, that is enough evidence to at least question it.