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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
NOT SO FAST!!!
Grant Paulsen (Redskins beat reporter) says Morris will start week 1.
Grant Paulsen (Redskins beat reporter) says Morris will start week 1.
fatness
Footballguy
I believe that was a "who knows?" comment and not a statement of fact.link'Raider Nation said:NOT SO FAST!!!
Grant Paulsen (Redskins beat reporter) says Morris will start week 1.
Here's Paulsen's twitter feed.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Hey fat... I didn't get that from Grant's twitter. I got it from Nate Zegura's feed. He had just gotten done interviewing him on Sirius.I believe that was a "who knows?" comment and not a statement of fact.link'Raider Nation said:NOT SO FAST!!!
Grant Paulsen (Redskins beat reporter) says Morris will start week 1.
Here's Paulsen's twitter feed.
Either way, it's still one big cluster####!
TakiToki
Footballguy
I think we're due for some Shanahan magic this year. Whether it's Helu, Royster, Morris, Joseph Addai or Maurice Clarett, something big is going to happen. The Davis-Gary-Anderson-Droughns luster is fading, and we need to see 3-5 Shanahan backs going in every draft for another decade (and hopefully Kyle picks up the mantle form there).
Deadzone21
Footballguy
I like A.Morris, and although he is sitting on waivers in my league, I can't pull the trigger. Latest news has him at 3rd in the depth chart and having a Shanahan RB on my roster is not too appealing. Even if RBBC didn't happen, I'd be pulling my hair every week trying to guess that week's Redskin starting RB.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I wouldn't let him sit on waivers unless you have a ridiculously shallow bench.
kutta
Footballguy
Agreed. Who the heck else are you going to have on your bench? Snap him up and let it play out for a couple weeks and see what happens.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
And if nothing else, pick him up, and if he does go nuts, at least he is wasting away on your bench instead of possibly going against you and sticking it to you.
Quint
Footballguy
no. really, no.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'd drop Hunter for Morris without worrying about it too much.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Somewhere there's a man working a Circle-K register on the overnight shift, completely unaware that he's going to rush for 1500 yards this year.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I'd drop Streater.
Short Corner
Footballguy
I disagree in that it would be bad roster management to carry 2 Shanny RBs. The value play, even when he was in Denver, has been to draft the last one (pick him up of WW) and hope it hits. Floor is way too low on all of them to consider them before the 10th IMO, unless you have gone upside down and stacked your other positions.
cstu
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Royster is on the wire in my 10 teamer (I put him there), though Morris is owned (I assume that switches tomorrow.My only option for dropping is literally Rashad Jennings or Gerhart. Somebody else can have Royster.
The Jerk
Footballguy
I'm in a 12 team league with very thin benches. 50 RBs is about the max combined rostered at any one time. Teams can only hold a combined 9 RBs and WRs and that's for 2 RB and 3 WR starters. Even with these restrictions I'm tempted on Morris, but I just can't do it. I've got a pretty good set of RBs, and Shanahan's 2011 effort makes me feel like there's far more downside than upside to tying up a very precious roster spot with any Washington RB.
If I had the luxury of say 7 RBs that could be on my roster, I'd probably grab him, because then it would be mostly upside. Even then, I'd worry about whether I could actually trust Shanahan enough to start Morris...
If I had the luxury of say 7 RBs that could be on my roster, I'd probably grab him, because then it would be mostly upside. Even then, I'd worry about whether I could actually trust Shanahan enough to start Morris...
killrobotkill
Footballguy
In my main league, I have a mess at RB - basically a slew of RB2/RB3 types I'm going to have to mix and match all year. I took a last round flier on Morris, and I may drop someone else on my roster to get Royster off the WW. If I can pick correctly, I can actually get decent production out of the Washington ground game, and with Royster I'd have a 2 in 3 chance of having The Guy. It's the sort of high-risk/high-reward play I could see myself making a few times this year, such as when I'm going against some of the elite teams in my league.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I think Hunter, if and when he gets the chance to start he could be a guy that carries you into the playoffs, not sure what Morris will do but it seems fuzzy. Do you not like Hunter?
Agreed. I'd take Hunter over any of the WAS RBs.
fatness
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I don't dislike Hunter at all. First, he needs a Gore injury to get significant touches. Secondly, there are too many cooks in San Francisco's kitchen. Not unlike the situation in Washington, true, but Morris has a far better chance to EARN the starting gig unrelated to injury than does Hunter.'davearm said:
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Also, Post article hyping Morris this evening:Alfred Morris just might be Mike Shanahan's latest discovery
cstu
Footballguy
He's perfectly suited for the Redskins offense and Shanahan had his eye on him since coaching him at the Senior Bowl. The Redskins have three good backs right now and anyone of them could breakout but he's the only one completely healthy. I thought before the season that it was Helu's job to lose but I would be surprised if he becomes the 3rd down back with Morris carrying the load on 1st and 2nd downs.
Alfred Morris just might be Mike Shanahan's latest discovery
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Shan treats these young RBs like a rich teenager with old sportscars that his rich dad (Snyder) buys for him - run them into the ground, get another one. And repeat.
Would you buy a used sportscar off this guy? How about a RB?
How will he ever find another Alfred Morris? Oh he will.
Would you buy a used sportscar off this guy? How about a RB?
How will he ever find another Alfred Morris? Oh he will.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Runs them into the ground? Really?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Last 3 years coaching: 12th, 30th and 25th in yards rushing.2011:Hightower - INJ (will he return in 2012 Maybe not? If not does he ever play again?Helu - INJTorain - INJ (will he ever play again? Yes Portis was older but see Pittman, Young and Bell)2010'Short Corner said:
ortis - INJ (last season in league)Torain - INJ 2008 (DEN)ittman - INJ (last season in league)Young - INJ (last season)Bell - INJ (last season)Am I wrong on this? Recollecting incorrectly?
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fatness
Footballguy
You're citing the wrong thing if you're trying to prove he ran running backs into the ground. Cite the number of carries each of those RB's had the years you cite.Last 3 years coaching: 12th, 30th and 25th in yards rushing.2011:Hightower - INJ (will he return in 2012 Maybe not? If not does he ever play again?Helu - INJTorain - INJ (will he ever play again? Yes Portis was older but see Pittman, Young and Bell)2010
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
It's more like he would have run those RBs into the ground much like ever year prior to 2007 if they hadn't gotten injured.You're citing the wrong thing if you're trying to prove he ran running backs into the ground. Cite the number of carries each of those RB's had the years you cite.Last 3 years coaching: 12th, 30th and 25th in yards rushing.2011:Hightower - INJ (will he return in 2012 Maybe not? If not does he ever play again?Helu - INJTorain - INJ (will he ever play again? Yes Portis was older but see Pittman, Young and Bell)2010
cstu
Footballguy
RB's get injured a lot. He also doesn't use high picks on RB's so when a guy gets hurt he just moves on.
However, it's not that Shanahan changes RB's for no reason. Look at last year:
Hightower starts through week 7 until he got injured.
Torain was given a shot and completely sucked.
Helu starts from week 9 to 14 until he got injured.
Royster starts the rest of the games.
However, it's not that Shanahan changes RB's for no reason. Look at last year:
Hightower starts through week 7 until he got injured.
Torain was given a shot and completely sucked.
Helu starts from week 9 to 14 until he got injured.
Royster starts the rest of the games.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
This exact trend has been going on from 2007-2011.
rockaction
Footballguy
Didn't Hightower start and get yanked in Week 4 against the Rams after running one series? IIRC, Shanahan then announced he'd go with the "hot hand," which everyone assumed meant Torain. Skins then had a bye week, played the Eagles, and Torain carried the load as the starter. Hightower started the following week against the Panthers, ran well, and tore his ACL. Hightower was on one of my teams last year and this situation had been going on since Week One, really, with Shanahan expressing disapproval over Hightower's running ability.Edited for grammar.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
Run into the ground? Really?Last 3 years coaching: 12th, 30th and 25th in yards rushing.2011:Hightower - INJ (will he return in 2012 Maybe not? If not does he ever play again?Helu - INJTorain - INJ (will he ever play again? Yes Portis was older but see Pittman, Young and Bell)2010'Short Corner said:
jaylasoul14
Footballguy
11/27 @SEA W 23-17 Yes 23 108 4.7 28 1 7 54 7.7 14 0 0
12/04 NYJ L 19-34 Yes 23 100 4.3 22 1 4 42 10.5 26 0 1
12/11 NE L 27-34 Yes 27 126 4.7 26 0 2 6 3.0 8 0 0
Sorry about the formatting, but helu averaged 140 all purpose yards/ game with 3 consecutive 100 yards games. He is the horse to own in the skins stable. Watch the games are its Helu who passes the eye test( yes i own him)
12/04 NYJ L 19-34 Yes 23 100 4.3 22 1 4 42 10.5 26 0 1
12/11 NE L 27-34 Yes 27 126 4.7 26 0 2 6 3.0 8 0 0
Sorry about the formatting, but helu averaged 140 all purpose yards/ game with 3 consecutive 100 yards games. He is the horse to own in the skins stable. Watch the games are its Helu who passes the eye test( yes i own him)
cstu
Footballguy
I took a look back and Hightower had a shoulder injury that limited him week 4 and allowed Torain to run wild (19/135/1). Torain got the start week 6 after the bye but fell on his face (10/22) and Hightower started week 7. I think Shanahan is looking for a back he can start every week, but injuries seem to plague his RB's. In 2010 Torain played well taking over for an injured Portis, but he hurt his hamstring week 8. When he was healthy Torain got another chance week 14 against the Bucs and started the rest of the season.
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cstu
Footballguy
Yes, Helu passes the eye test but so did Royster, who had 100+ yard games in both his starts. Helu is my favorite too since he is easily the best receiving back on the team, but any of these guys can run away with the job if they stay healthy and play well. Morris is third on the depth chart but Helu and Royster have dealt with injuries already and I expect him to get a shot at some point.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'd forgotten about the shoulder. I remember now that many of the beat writers and media folk were chalking it up to simply an excuse Shanny and Hightower (I think Hightower first disclosed it and Shanahan was upset with that) gave for his benching, because Shanahan had sent all the signals and even looked disgusted during games when Hightower would get stuffed. But we'll never know that, either. Regardless, I take your point. He probably would optimally love to have a dependable every-down back, and the Shanahanigans thing may be a bit overblown, though not announcing a starter (rightly or wrongly) plays into people's expectations of him as a RB nightmare.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
FWIW, as a close follower of the 'Skins, this is my impression of Shanahan, as well. At least how he currently looks at/handles his RB situation.The "Shanahanigan" stereotype also gets fed because he's very tight-lipped regarding injuries (very Belichick like, in fact). So if one RB is just a little dinged up during the week, there's a good chance we won't know about it until another RB is starting on Sunday. Hightower's release was a surprise to fans because nobody knew that his knees really bothered him after the Colts preseason game and that he was coming off the practice field with a noticeable limp towards the end of camp. That info didn't come out until after his release.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
why? they are both veritable lottery tickets. Only difference being that if you 'win' the DC version you get a 'free ticket' to play in another lottery next week.Plus I think hunter is more talented than all the WAS backs, Maybe a push w/Helu
