[Dynasty] 2015 Draft Prospects (3 Viewers)

[Faust]

Sources Tell Us: What we're hearing about top NFL prospects

 

[Faust]

Scout's Take: Jamison Crowder like Steelers' Antonio Brown

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft: Arizona State's Foster, Hardison show NFL skill set

 

[Faust]

David Cobb helps Minnesota rally to upset Nebraska

 

[BeTheMatch]

David Cobb helps Minnesota rally to upset Nebraska

It's really been amazing what he's been able to do as the absolute focal point of the defense with a junior-high QB at the helm. And the line has certainly done well for him, but a lot of his yards have been very, very tough. Absolutely carried the team on his back this year.

 

[Faust]

Two to Watch: Week 13

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The LA Times spoke with one NFL scout who believes USC junior Nelson Agholor is a perfect No. 3 WR.
The scout adds " slot receiver, and return specialist" to Agholor's projection. The evaluator highlighted slot targets who can win over the middle, find windows in zone, separate versus man, and the run after the catch. "He's got some of that to him," the scout concluded. Unless a number of USC eligibles return for one final season, expect Agholor to declare for this spring's draft.

Source: LA Times
Nov 21 - 9:38 AM

Kansas State senior WR Tyler Lockett "is a diminutive dynamo, whose vision, agility and acceleration project best as a slot receiver and returner at the next level, according to CBS Sports' Dane Brugler.
"The 5-11, 175 pound Lockett, on the other hand, is a diminutive dynamo, whose vision, agility and acceleration project best as a slot receiver and returner at the next level. He currently checks in as a mid-round pick," Brugler writes. The Kansas State prospect hauled in 10 passes for 196 yards in Kansas State's 26-20 win over West Virginia. On the night, Lockett had 321 all-purpose yards as a receiver and returner. Brugler adds that Lockett's "slight frame caps his NFL projection."

Source: CBS Sports
Nov 21 - 3:30 PM

Saturday's matchup against Ohio State gives Indiana junior RB Tevin Coleman the "chance to shine on the first piece of tape most evaluators will pop in," according to NFL.com's Albert Breer.
"This is a showcase game for him against a great defensive line and fast linebackers," an AFC college scouting director said. "Big-soled player, with solid size and good hands." The 6-foot-1, 210-pounder has rushed for 1,678 yards and 12 touchdowns on only 214 carries through 10 games. "He's definitely got skills, burst and the body, but you wonder about his stamina at the next level to be a bell cow. ... It'd be interesting if he was running behind the Wisconsin offensive line," an AFC GM said. Breer passed along that he has heard numerous Darren McFadden comparisons. We agree with the collation.

Source: NFL.com
Nov 21 - 4:54 PM

TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline had Wisconsin redshirt junior Melvin Gordon III going in the top 10 in a preliminary mock draft.
Specifically, Pauline slots Gordon No. 9 to the Vikings. "I can imagine the four letter expletives being hurled at me by Vikings fans but fact is we don’t know when the Adrian Peterson saga will end and when it does we don’t know if he’ll still be a Viking," Pauline wrote. "Wisconsin backs have not lived up to expectations in the NFL but I believe Gordon has the 'it' factor as Peterson did entering the draft." Gordon's path into the top half of the first round became clearer upon Todd Gurley's unfortunate knee injury.

Source: TFY Draft Insider
Nov 21 - 5:12 PM

Auburn senior QB Nick Marshall would be willing to play another position in the NFL if he's asked.
"It's just something I have to think about," Marshall said. "As of right now, I'm open to play anything, but I'm looking to play quarterback." Marshall is a superb athlete and a gifted runner, but his passing mechanics are not NFL-caliber. He has a number of options should he choose to switch position, a seeming fit at RB, WR, or DB. Georgia coach Mark Richt signed Marshall as a CB out of high school. "We certainly looked at him as (a quarterback), the possibility, but we believed he could be one of the best cornerbacks in America," Richt said. "We believe he could be a very high draft pick as a corner as well. He's that talented of a guy."

Source: AL.com
Nov 21 - 6:17 PM

Oklahoma State junior OW Tyreek Hill is "extremely explosive with rare movement skills," according to CBS Sports' Dane Brugler.
Brugler, however, believes Hill "still needs time to develop in several areas to become a more consistent player and better prospect for the next level." The 5-foot-10, 185-pound Cowboys' prospect has been compared athletically to Percy Harvin and Tavon Austin. To reach those lofty expectations, Hill will need to add strength and clean up the technical aspects of his game.

Source: CBS Sports
Nov 21 - 6:29 PM

South Alabama senior TE Wes Saxton has accepted an invitation to play in the East West Shrine game.
Saxton is a very intriguing move tight end prospect and could be one of the top attendees at this all star event. His numbers have dropped off this year, but for a career, Saxton has accumulated 91 catches for 1,092 yards and one touchdown in three seasons. "He's a mismatch nightmare and, yes, I think he needs to mature on the field in some areas, but I could easily make the argument he has the most upside of any senior at his position this year," one AFC East scout said in September.

Source: East West Shrine
Nov 22 - 10:53 AM

Michigan State senior RB Jeremy Langford rushed for 126 yards and two touchdowns on 16 carries in the school's 45-3 win over Rutgers.
Langford's longest carry went for 38 yards. The senior is likely a fringe top 10 prospect at his position right now but will have an opportunity to solidify his evaluation at an all star event. He was able to create a number of yards on his own in this game.

Nov 22 - 3:23 PM

Indiana junior RB Tevin Coleman rushed for 228 yards and three touchdowns on 27 carries in the school's 42-27 loss to Ohio State.
Coleman displayed a tremendous amount of long speed in this game, taking advantage of lanes and openings. His play in the last few weeks is astounding, considering Indiana has no passing attack and defenses have tended to stack the box against the Hoosiers. The running back class is an extremely talented group.

Nov 22 - 3:27 PM

Stanford senior WR Ty Montgomery exited Saturday's game against Cal with a right shoulder injury.
Prior to leaving, Montgomery had one catch for 14 yards. Physicality with the ball in his hands is one of Montgomery's trademarks, and that will be difficult to do with a bum shoulder. Montgomery is at his best after the catch, as a ball carrier or on returns, but those might have to be manufactured touches early on once reaching the NFL.

Source: David Lombardi on Twitter
Nov 22 - 5:47 PM

 

[Hankmoody]

David Cobb helps Minnesota rally to upset Nebraska

It's really been amazing what he's been able to do as the absolute focal point of the defense with a junior-high QB at the helm. And the line has certainly done well for him, but a lot of his yards have been very, very tough. Absolutely carried the team on his back this year.

If you like that wait unil you see Tevin Coleman.

 

[Faust]

Norris: Positional Rankings

 

[Faust]

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[Faust]

Melvin Gordon: 'I'm not the same runner as Ron Dayne' Melvin Gordon fastest in FBS history to reach 2,000-yard mark

 

[Faust]

Inside the Pocket: 2014 is the year of the running back in college

 

[Spike]

As for the RBs, this is a list of every 2015-eligible back that I've written about this season:

RB Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska (2015)

RB Jay Ajayi, Boise State (2015)

RB Cameron Artis-Payne, Auburn (2015)

RB Javorious Allen, USC (2015)

RB Tevin Coleman, Indiana (2015)

RB Mike Davis, South Carolina (2015)

RB Michael Dyer, Louisville (2015)

RB DJ Foster, Arizona State (2015)

RB Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin (2015)

RB Johnathan Gray, Texas (2015)

RB Todd Gurley, Georgia (2015)

RB Duke Johnson, Miami (FL) (2015)

RB Jeremy Langford, Michigan State (2015)

RB Shock Linwood, Baylor (2015)

RB Byron Marshall, Oregon (2015)

RB Kevin Parks, Virginia (2015)

RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State (2015)

RB TJ Yeldon, Alabama (2015)

I think this position group is easily the strength of the 2015 draft class. Lots of depth and variety. Players of all styles. Intriguing names all the way from the first round down to the day three guys. Definitely a loaded class. With Gurley injured and Gordon looking awesome, I would say Melvin is the #1 guy there.

Of the underclassmen, I think Nick Chubb is the best player at QB/RB/WR/TE in the 2016-2017 classes. He would be a first round pick if he declared this year and he's already good enough to start in the NFL tomorrow. Shame he's going to take two more years of unnecessary mileage and injury risk in college.

With the way medical technology has done with ACL surgery and how NFLers can get the best in rehab services, would you take Gordon on a dynasty team over Gurley?

 

[EBF]

As for the RBs, this is a list of every 2015-eligible back that I've written about this season:

RB Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska (2015)

RB Jay Ajayi, Boise State (2015)

RB Cameron Artis-Payne, Auburn (2015)

RB Javorious Allen, USC (2015)

RB Tevin Coleman, Indiana (2015)

RB Mike Davis, South Carolina (2015)

RB Michael Dyer, Louisville (2015)

RB DJ Foster, Arizona State (2015)

RB Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin (2015)

RB Johnathan Gray, Texas (2015)

RB Todd Gurley, Georgia (2015)

RB Duke Johnson, Miami (FL) (2015)

RB Jeremy Langford, Michigan State (2015)

RB Shock Linwood, Baylor (2015)

RB Byron Marshall, Oregon (2015)

RB Kevin Parks, Virginia (2015)

RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State (2015)

RB TJ Yeldon, Alabama (2015)

I think this position group is easily the strength of the 2015 draft class. Lots of depth and variety. Players of all styles. Intriguing names all the way from the first round down to the day three guys. Definitely a loaded class. With Gurley injured and Gordon looking awesome, I would say Melvin is the #1 guy there.

Of the underclassmen, I think Nick Chubb is the best player at QB/RB/WR/TE in the 2016-2017 classes. He would be a first round pick if he declared this year and he's already good enough to start in the NFL tomorrow. Shame he's going to take two more years of unnecessary mileage and injury risk in college.

With the way medical technology has done with ACL surgery and how NFLers can get the best in rehab services, would you take Gordon on a dynasty team over Gurley?

It's a tricky situation because Gordon isn't and never has been the type of runner that I usually covet. I like bigger backs with great elusiveness, not pure sprinters. He has shown me a lot more in those areas this year than he did last season, but there's still an element of his game that makes me wonder how he'll fare in the confined spaces of the NFL. I would still say "where there's smoke there's usually fire" and his dominance simply can't be ignored. He's also a good athlete with the type of fast-twitch explosiveness that should see him shine in a combine setting. Add it all up and I'm probably picking him 1.01 if the NFL deems him worthy of a first round spot in May.

The injury isn't a huge long-term issue for Gurley yet, but I've always been kind of a "late adopter" with regards to his talent. Despite his production and obvious physical talent, I've never liked him quite as much as everyone else. I'd still likely take him in the top 2-3 of a rookie draft even with an injured knee, but he's not a player that I'd necessarily go out of my way to pay through the nose for. Given the option between two really strong prospects who don't necessarily strike a strong chord with me, I'd probably just take whichever of the two is healthy and is selected earlier in the draft. That would appear to be Gordon.

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft: Week 13 Stock Report

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Mock Draft: Jaguars make Randy Gregory top pick

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[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL.com's Bucky Brooks reports that NFL evaluators "are fascinated by the long-term potential" of Washington State redshirt senior WR Vince Mayle.

The 6-foot-3, 219-pound Mayle, who will play in both the Senior Bowl and East-West Shrine Game, has hauled in 101 receptions and 1,405 yards this year. "Mayle is a big-bodied pass catcher with outstanding ball skills who has grown into a legitimate No. 1 receiver in the Cougars' passing game," Brooks wrote. "Against Arizona State, Mayle snagged 15 passes for 252 yards while displaying impressive athleticism, explosiveness and leaping ability. Mayle's ability to win 50-50 balls on the perimeter makes him an intriguing option for a team desperately looking for a big-bodied athlete to use on jump balls in the red zone. Considering the impact big, athletic receivers are making in today's game, Mayle's size and talent could make him a fast riser on draft boards during the pre-draft process." If Mayle tests out well, he figures to shoot up boards leading up to the draft.

Source: NFL.com
Nov 25 - 1:02 AM

ECU senior WR Justin Hardy "has worked his way into Day 2 consideration by displaying strong hands, ball skills and precise route-running ability," according to NFL.com's Bucky Brooks.

Hardy produced nine catches for 104 yards Saturday against Tulane to leave him with 355 receptions during his four-year career. "Given the importance of production on a scout's final evaluation, Hardy's outstanding numbers will make him an intriguing player to watch throughout the pre-draft process," Brooks wrote. Hardy should enjoy a long NFL career as a productive slot receiver.

Source: NFL.com
Nov 24 - 11:55 PM

 

[Faust]

Will Baylor's Bryce Petty be the Blake Bortles of 2015 NFL Draft?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Todd McShay believes Indiana junior RB Tevin Coleman "is now an early-second-round talent."
McShay actually grades him a bit higher than that, ranking Coleman as the No. 25 overall player in the class. "What jumps out most on tape is his burst to and through the hole, and while he doesn't have great wiggle to make defenders miss, he has enough top-end speed to outrun most linebackers and defensive backs," McShay wrote. "He has above-average vision and power, and would benefit from improved strength. He's an underclassman, but I've heard it's likely he will leave early for the draft." Coleman is merely 94 rushing yards away from 2,000.

Source: ESPN Insider
Nov 25 - 7:08 PM

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler observes that Indiana junior RB Tevin Coleman sees "the field very well," and has "the see-yah speed to break off long runs."
"He often faced stacked boxes from the Buckeyes, but Coleman found room to work, lowering his pads and breaking half-hearted tackle attempts. Seeing the field very well, Coleman has the see-yah speed to break off long runs when he finds those holes," Brugler wrote. The Indiana prospect rushed for 228 yards and three touchdowns on 27 carries in the school's 42-27 loss to Ohio State, and only needs 94 rushing yards to join the 2,000-yard club with Wisconsin's Melvin Gordon.

Source: CBS Sports
Nov 25 - 2:12 PM

CBS Sports' Dane Brugler "sees some Pierre Garcon" in William & Mary senior WR Tre McBride.
"I see some Pierre Garcon with William & Mary WR Tre McBride. Athletic, detailed targets who attack with their hands, set up their routes well," Brugler tweeted. The William & Mary prospect has hauled in 64 receptions for 809 yards, with four touchdowns on the season. McBride had 63 receptions for 801 yards and five touchdowns last year. He also averaged 27.5 yards per kick return and has posted 15 TD receptions over the past two seasons.

Source: Dane Brugler on Twitter
Nov 25 - 4:06 PM

 

[Faust]

Week Thirteen: Risers & Sliders

 

[EBF]

Week Thirteen: Risers & Sliders

I think Artis-Payne can be a 2nd-3rd round pick. I was watching some of the second tier backs (Josh Robinson, Cobb, and him) last night and he was the most impressive. He's nothing amazing, but just a solid runner who could probably slot in right away and produce decent results. Cobb fits that description too, but doesn't have as much flash. Robinson was a little underwhelming upon further inspection.

I really like this RB class overall. Last year's group is looking pretty good so far in the NFL, but this year's has a chance to match or even exceed it. I think it's definitely the most loaded position in the draft compared with QB/WR/TE.

 

[Xue]

Greg Peshek @NU_Gap · Nov 16

What I have for WVU's Kevin White vs. last year's receivers so far:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2nyaf-CEAEAl3Y.png

Greg Peshek @NU_Gap · Nov 18

White ranked low for drops (3.3%), but route diversity mostly limited to screens (38% of comps) and comebacks (46%)

Greg Peshek @NU_Gap · Nov 18

YAC would have been about average through last year's crop of WRs for Kevin White - 6.6 yards - although slightly limited by those comebacks

 

[Faust]

Scout: Tevin Coleman dominating with 'suspect offensive line'

Indiana's Tevin Coleman on verge of 2,000-yard season

 

[Faust]

Sources Tell Us: What we're hearing about top NFL prospects

 

[Xue]

I think Maxx Williams is as talented as or even more than Eric Ebron.

You think DeVante Noil is as talented as or even more than Laquon Treadwell.

Sounds fair enough don't you think?

Ebron has already been vetted by the professional draft process as a top 10 pick. Based on draft position, he's one of the top 3 TE prospects of the past decade. You might not think he's that good, but that's where he went. Any time you compare a promising college player to one of the top 3 prospects at his position in the past decade, you're setting yourself up to look silly. It's a halfcourt jumper. I don't think it's equivalent to comparing one 5 star college freshman to a 5 star college sophomore who caught 72 passes for 608 yards as a freshman. I would say the odds of Noil approximating Treadwell's performance and generating similar hype are a lot higher than the odds of Williams being regarded as a top 10-15 prospect in his draft. So no, I don't think it's fair.

I think it's a good example of taking a reasonable belief (i.e. "Maxx Williams is a good prospect") and extending it to ridiculous extremes ("Maxx Williams is a better prospect than a guy who just became the highest TE drafted since 2006"). Going back to my point about possibilities vs. likelihoods, I would say it's possible that Maxx Williams will become a better prospect and a better pro than Eric Ebron, but not remotely likely based on everything we know today. I'm a big fan of making decisions based on what's likely, not based on what's possible. Taking promising college players and saying they're better than guys who have already emerged from the draft process smelling like roses is not consistent with that.

Maxx Williams is a better prospect than Eric Ebron. It was true when I said it back in June and it still is.

There is a Maxx Williams for 2016 and he is most definitely better than Ebron, and he's better than Maxx Williams (yes, even though I love Maxx Williams). Must be another ridiculous claim because it's what I like to do. LOL.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

TFY Draft Insider Tony Pauline reports that it's "very likely" USC redshirt junior RB Javorius "Buck" Allen will enter the draft.
"Over the past 48 hours several sources tell me chances range from very likely to an absolute Javorius Allen/RB/USC enters the draft," Pauline tweeted. The USC prospect recently had 60 yards rushing and a touchdown on 14 carries during Saturday's 38-20 loss to UCLA. With the great season Allen has had, combined with his rushing/receiving ability, Allen will be looked at closely come the NFL Draft. The 6-foot-1, 220-pound Allen has drawn comparisons to Tennessee Titans' Bishop Sankey.

Source: Tony Pauline on Twitter
Nov 26 - 2:29 PM

ESPN's Mel Kiper ranks Alabama junior T.J. Yeldon as the No. 9 RB in the 2015 class.
We think it is worth calling attention to some of the names ranked ahead of Yeldon, as Kiper certainly is breaking group think here - which is good. At No. 6 is Jeremy Langford, Michigan St. No. 7 is Devontae Booker, Utah and No. 8 is Javorius "Buck" Allen, USC. We think Yeldon looks much better than last season, displaying decisiveness and smooth acceleration at and beyond the second level.

Source: ESPN
Nov 26 - 10:43 AM

 

[Faust]

NFL Draft Big Board: Rivalry games give scouts a unique look

 

[gianmarco]

I think Maxx Williams is as talented as or even more than Eric Ebron.

You think DeVante Noil is as talented as or even more than Laquon Treadwell.

Sounds fair enough don't you think?

Ebron has already been vetted by the professional draft process as a top 10 pick. Based on draft position, he's one of the top 3 TE prospects of the past decade. You might not think he's that good, but that's where he went. Any time you compare a promising college player to one of the top 3 prospects at his position in the past decade, you're setting yourself up to look silly. It's a halfcourt jumper. I don't think it's equivalent to comparing one 5 star college freshman to a 5 star college sophomore who caught 72 passes for 608 yards as a freshman. I would say the odds of Noil approximating Treadwell's performance and generating similar hype are a lot higher than the odds of Williams being regarded as a top 10-15 prospect in his draft. So no, I don't think it's fair.

I think it's a good example of taking a reasonable belief (i.e. "Maxx Williams is a good prospect") and extending it to ridiculous extremes ("Maxx Williams is a better prospect than a guy who just became the highest TE drafted since 2006"). Going back to my point about possibilities vs. likelihoods, I would say it's possible that Maxx Williams will become a better prospect and a better pro than Eric Ebron, but not remotely likely based on everything we know today. I'm a big fan of making decisions based on what's likely, not based on what's possible. Taking promising college players and saying they're better than guys who have already emerged from the draft process smelling like roses is not consistent with that.

Maxx Williams is a better prospect than Eric Ebron. It was true when I said it back in June and it still is.

There is a Maxx Williams for 2016 and he is most definitely better than Ebron, and he's better than Maxx Williams (yes, even though I love Maxx Williams). Must be another ridiculous claim because it's what I like to do. LOL.

You're insufferable.

 

[SayWhat?]

I think Maxx Williams is as talented as or even more than Eric Ebron.

You think DeVante Noil is as talented as or even more than Laquon Treadwell.

Sounds fair enough don't you think?

Ebron has already been vetted by the professional draft process as a top 10 pick. Based on draft position, he's one of the top 3 TE prospects of the past decade. You might not think he's that good, but that's where he went. Any time you compare a promising college player to one of the top 3 prospects at his position in the past decade, you're setting yourself up to look silly. It's a halfcourt jumper. I don't think it's equivalent to comparing one 5 star college freshman to a 5 star college sophomore who caught 72 passes for 608 yards as a freshman. I would say the odds of Noil approximating Treadwell's performance and generating similar hype are a lot higher than the odds of Williams being regarded as a top 10-15 prospect in his draft. So no, I don't think it's fair.

I think it's a good example of taking a reasonable belief (i.e. "Maxx Williams is a good prospect") and extending it to ridiculous extremes ("Maxx Williams is a better prospect than a guy who just became the highest TE drafted since 2006"). Going back to my point about possibilities vs. likelihoods, I would say it's possible that Maxx Williams will become a better prospect and a better pro than Eric Ebron, but not remotely likely based on everything we know today. I'm a big fan of making decisions based on what's likely, not based on what's possible. Taking promising college players and saying they're better than guys who have already emerged from the draft process smelling like roses is not consistent with that.

Maxx Williams is a better prospect than Eric Ebron. It was true when I said it back in June and it still is.

There is a Maxx Williams for 2016 and he is most definitely better than Ebron, and he's better than Maxx Williams (yes, even though I love Maxx Williams). Must be another ridiculous claim because it's what I like to do. LOL.

You're insufferable.

Beyond insufferable. Like a 12 year old that has to have the last word...15 times over to drive some point home THAT NOBODY BUT XUE CARES ABOUT.

Xue, just please stop addressing EBF already. We can all form our own opinions about what each of you had to historically say.

 

[EBF]

Another name to file away for 2015:

Texas Tech RB DeAndre Washington. Impact freshman in 2011 before he tore up his knee. Sat out the 2012 season. Finally back to 100% and then some.

Check out these plays from Saturday:

http://youtu.be/vPNdadSmRGo?t=17s

http://youtu.be/vPNdadSmRGo?t=37s

Only a junior, but given that he's four years removed from HS with an ACL already on his resume, I would not be surprised to see him in the draft.

 

[Andrew74]

I think Maxx Williams is as talented as or even more than Eric Ebron.

You think DeVante Noil is as talented as or even more than Laquon Treadwell.

Sounds fair enough don't you think?

Ebron has already been vetted by the professional draft process as a top 10 pick. Based on draft position, he's one of the top 3 TE prospects of the past decade. You might not think he's that good, but that's where he went. Any time you compare a promising college player to one of the top 3 prospects at his position in the past decade, you're setting yourself up to look silly. It's a halfcourt jumper. I don't think it's equivalent to comparing one 5 star college freshman to a 5 star college sophomore who caught 72 passes for 608 yards as a freshman. I would say the odds of Noil approximating Treadwell's performance and generating similar hype are a lot higher than the odds of Williams being regarded as a top 10-15 prospect in his draft. So no, I don't think it's fair.

I think it's a good example of taking a reasonable belief (i.e. "Maxx Williams is a good prospect") and extending it to ridiculous extremes ("Maxx Williams is a better prospect than a guy who just became the highest TE drafted since 2006"). Going back to my point about possibilities vs. likelihoods, I would say it's possible that Maxx Williams will become a better prospect and a better pro than Eric Ebron, but not remotely likely based on everything we know today. I'm a big fan of making decisions based on what's likely, not based on what's possible. Taking promising college players and saying they're better than guys who have already emerged from the draft process smelling like roses is not consistent with that.

Maxx Williams is a better prospect than Eric Ebron. It was true when I said it back in June and it still is.

There is a Maxx Williams for 2016 and he is most definitely better than Ebron, and he's better than Maxx Williams (yes, even though I love Maxx Williams). Must be another ridiculous claim because it's what I like to do. LOL.

You're insufferable.

Beyond insufferable. Like a 12 year old that has to have the last word...15 times over to drive some point home THAT NOBODY BUT XUE CARES ABOUT. Xue, just please stop addressing EBF already. We can all form our own opinions about what each of you had to historically say.

Yes please take your #### wagging to PM.

 

[BigTex]

Another name to file away for 2015:

Texas Tech RB DeAndre Washington. Impact freshman in 2011 before he tore up his knee. Sat out the 2012 season. Finally back to 100% and then some.

Check out these plays from Saturday:

http://youtu.be/vPNdadSmRGo?t=17s

http://youtu.be/vPNdadSmRGo?t=37s

Only a junior, but given that he's four years removed from HS with an ACL already on his resume, I would not be surprised to see him in the draft.

What's your take on his game play?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Anyone else think it's weird that Coleman is listed as a 4.5-4.6 guy everywhere? Seems like a clear 4.4 guy to me.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Anyone else think it's weird that Coleman is listed as a 4.5-4.6 guy everywhere? Seems like a clear 4.4 guy to me.

Doesn't matter what he runs at the combine imo, dude literally has highlight after highlight of him running away from defenders, he's damn fast with the pads on and that's all that matters imo. But I agree, if I had to guess he'll run sub 4.5, but the draftnik community has been slow to warm to Coleman so they're probably just slow to pay attention to his 40 time as well.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Anyone else think it's weird that Coleman is listed as a 4.5-4.6 guy everywhere? Seems like a clear 4.4 guy to me.

Doesn't matter what he runs at the combine imo, dude literally has highlight after highlight of him running away from defenders, he's damn fast with the pads on and that's all that matters imo. But I agree, if I had to guess he'll run sub 4.5, but the draftnik community has been slow to warm to Coleman so they're probably just slow to pay attention to his 40 time as well.

I also saw a scouting report from October that just doesn't match what I see---it said one of his weaknesses was his decisiveness behind the line, his lack of patience behind blockers, and lack of burst through the hole.Those all seem like strengths of his to me, his OL is not good and he's nearly hit 2,000 yards anyways. He is pretty instinctive IMO. He does get up on his blockers backs once in a while but I think it's more a product of them getting pushed back before he even gets to the hole. And I think his acceleration once he squeezes through and sees daylight is pretty great.

This guy is underrated. Some of the big names that excited people about this class before the season have disappointed (Davis, K. Williams, Yeldon), some have done just what was expected (Gordon, Gurley pre-injury, Duke Johnson for me, Abdullah, Ajayi), and a couple have come out of nowhere to eclipse some of the bigger names. Coleman fits into that last category for me.

 

[Xue]

I think Maxx Williams is as talented as or even more than Eric Ebron.

You think DeVante Noil is as talented as or even more than Laquon Treadwell.

Sounds fair enough don't you think?

Ebron has already been vetted by the professional draft process as a top 10 pick. Based on draft position, he's one of the top 3 TE prospects of the past decade. You might not think he's that good, but that's where he went. Any time you compare a promising college player to one of the top 3 prospects at his position in the past decade, you're setting yourself up to look silly. It's a halfcourt jumper. I don't think it's equivalent to comparing one 5 star college freshman to a 5 star college sophomore who caught 72 passes for 608 yards as a freshman. I would say the odds of Noil approximating Treadwell's performance and generating similar hype are a lot higher than the odds of Williams being regarded as a top 10-15 prospect in his draft. So no, I don't think it's fair.

I think it's a good example of taking a reasonable belief (i.e. "Maxx Williams is a good prospect") and extending it to ridiculous extremes ("Maxx Williams is a better prospect than a guy who just became the highest TE drafted since 2006"). Going back to my point about possibilities vs. likelihoods, I would say it's possible that Maxx Williams will become a better prospect and a better pro than Eric Ebron, but not remotely likely based on everything we know today. I'm a big fan of making decisions based on what's likely, not based on what's possible. Taking promising college players and saying they're better than guys who have already emerged from the draft process smelling like roses is not consistent with that.

Maxx Williams is a better prospect than Eric Ebron. It was true when I said it back in June and it still is.

There is a Maxx Williams for 2016 and he is most definitely better than Ebron, and he's better than Maxx Williams (yes, even though I love Maxx Williams). Must be another ridiculous claim because it's what I like to do. LOL.

You're insufferable.

Beyond insufferable. Like a 12 year old that has to have the last word...15 times over to drive some point home THAT NOBODY BUT XUE CARES ABOUT. Xue, just please stop addressing EBF already. We can all form our own opinions about what each of you had to historically say.

I would like to know how EBF could have thought that my claim was ridiculous. Did I get lucky, as he likes to say a clock is right twice a day?

EBF and I had 3 really lengthy debates with really strong views: Odell Beckham/Marqise Lee, DeVante Parker/Allen Robinson, Maxx Williams/Eric Ebron. In each one, he deviates from the actual player analysis and brings up my supposed behavior of dragging down a more well-known prospect to hype up a less-heralded one. The basis of his argument always reverts back to that. And that's how it gets personal. His arguments are so weak and wrong, that's all he can throw at me. A personal attack. And then he brings up players which he doesn't even have strong feelings on. When did he ever strongly dislike Antonio Andrews?

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft prospect preview: Who to watch in Week 14

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

FSU senior RB Karlos Williams is "no longer a likely Day 2 pick," according to ESPN's Mel Kiper.
Kiper listed Williams as the draft's biggest RB faller. "Todd Gurley's stock took an unfortunate hit with his torn ACL, but Williams' has dropped while healthy," Kiper wrote. "The senior has a powerful frame and good speed but lacks elite balance, explosiveness and the ability to break tackles (2.8 ypc between the tackles, fourth fewest among Power 5 RBs). He'll get drafted, but he's no longer a likely Day 2 pick and needs to run well during the evaluation process." Williams has only 571 rushing yards this year.

Source: ESPN Insider
Nov 27 - 3:26 PM

Wisconsin redshirt junior RB Melvin Gordon III was named Todd McShay's highest draft RB riser this year.
"What stood out was the junior's patience and vision, but he also has improved his pad level, pass protection and routes," McShay wrote. "He has 8.18 career yards per carry, and if he keeps his current 8.3-ypc pace, he'll break the career mark held by Army's Glenn Davis (8.26, 1943-46)." Gordon, who rushed for 200 yards and two touchdowns on 31 carries in Saturday's win over Iowa, has put up five 200-yard games this year.

Source: ESPN Insider
Nov 27 - 3:01 PM

Stanford senior WR Ty Montgomery's draft stock has fallen this season, according to ESPN's Todd McShay.
"He hasn't plummeted, but he has dropped balls and been inconsistent," wrote McShay. "Against Washington, Notre Dame and Oregon, Montgomery had 15 combined catches but just 76 total yards. I still view the senior, who will sit out Saturday's game against UCLA with a shoulder injury, as a potential first-rounder (he is a weapon as a return man). But 
I think he's a likelier Day 2 pick now." Montgomery looks better on paper than the aptitude he shows on Saturdays, an AFC West scout told NFL.com this week. We agree that Montgomery isn't a first-round pick, and also that his reputation exceeds his reality.

Source: ESPN Insider
Nov 27 - 2:48 PM

ESPN's Mel Kiper calls Nevada senior QB Cody Fajardo the season's biggest QB riser, and believes the prospect might now get drafted.
"Fajardo has gone from nonexistent on most boards to a possible Day 3 pick," Kiper wrote. "The senior is an above-average athlete, throws well on the run and shows poise facing pressure. A project, sure, but he has been just as successful as Colin Kaepernick in the same college offense." That's pretty high praise, though, it's necessary to point out, Kaepernick clearly had superior tools. Fajardo has 2,328 passing yards and 854 rushing yards this year.

Source: ESPN Insider
Nov 27 - 1:51 PM

An NFC scouting director believes Minnesota senior RB David Cobb "will rise in the ranks the more people study him."
Cobb's rise in scouting circles doesn't surprise Rotoworld, which saw NFL attributes out of the Golden Gopher early in the season. "I keep going back to this kid. Doesn't wow you, but he produces each week. I think he will rise in the ranks the more people study him. Runs with vision, power, and some agility. Wants the ball," the NFC scouting director said. The 5-foot-11, 229-pound Cobb has rushed for 1,430 yards and 12 touchdowns this season.

Source: NFL.com
Nov 27 - 2:20 AM

 

[Whitney26]

Anyone else think it's weird that Coleman is listed as a 4.5-4.6 guy everywhere? Seems like a clear 4.4 guy to me.

Read in the IndyStar yesterday that he ran a 10.5 100 meters and jumped over 24 feet in the long jump during HS. I'm on your side.

 

[EBF]

Another name to file away for 2015:

Texas Tech RB DeAndre Washington. Impact freshman in 2011 before he tore up his knee. Sat out the 2012 season. Finally back to 100% and then some.

Check out these plays from Saturday:

http://youtu.be/vPNdadSmRGo?t=17s

http://youtu.be/vPNdadSmRGo?t=37s

Only a junior, but given that he's four years removed from HS with an ACL already on his resume, I would not be surprised to see him in the draft.

What's your take on his game play?

Need to DVR a full game, but he looks quick and athletic. Reasonably big. Not huge. Maybe 205-210 pounds.

I would say he's a round 2-4 candidate based on what I've seen. Maybe rounds 5-7 if he runs 4.5+ at the combine.

 

[Faust]

Two to Watch: Week 14

 

[T with T]

As for the RBs, this is a list of every 2015-eligible back that I've written about this season:

RB Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska (2015)

RB Jay Ajayi, Boise State (2015)

RB Cameron Artis-Payne, Auburn (2015)

RB Javorious Allen, USC (2015)

RB Tevin Coleman, Indiana (2015)

RB Mike Davis, South Carolina (2015)

RB Michael Dyer, Louisville (2015)

RB DJ Foster, Arizona State (2015)

RB Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin (2015)

RB Johnathan Gray, Texas (2015)

RB Todd Gurley, Georgia (2015)

RB Duke Johnson, Miami (FL) (2015)

RB Jeremy Langford, Michigan State (2015)

RB Shock Linwood, Baylor (2015)

RB Byron Marshall, Oregon (2015)

RB Kevin Parks, Virginia (2015)

RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State (2015)

RB TJ Yeldon, Alabama (2015)

I think this position group is easily the strength of the 2015 draft class. Lots of depth and variety. Players of all styles. Intriguing names all the way from the first round down to the day three guys. Definitely a loaded class. With Gurley injured and Gordon looking awesome, I would say Melvin is the #1 guy there.

Of the underclassmen, I think Nick Chubb is the best player at QB/RB/WR/TE in the 2016-2017 classes. He would be a first round pick if he declared this year and he's already good enough to start in the NFL tomorrow. Shame he's going to take two more years of unnecessary mileage and injury risk in college.

With the way medical technology has done with ACL surgery and how NFLers can get the best in rehab services, would you take Gordon on a dynasty team over Gurley?

As for the RBs, this is a list of every 2015-eligible back that I've written about this season:

RB Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska (2015)

RB Jay Ajayi, Boise State (2015)

RB Cameron Artis-Payne, Auburn (2015)

RB Javorious Allen, USC (2015)

RB Tevin Coleman, Indiana (2015)

RB Mike Davis, South Carolina (2015)

RB Michael Dyer, Louisville (2015)

RB DJ Foster, Arizona State (2015)

RB Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin (2015)

RB Johnathan Gray, Texas (2015)

RB Todd Gurley, Georgia (2015)

RB Duke Johnson, Miami (FL) (2015)

RB Jeremy Langford, Michigan State (2015)

RB Shock Linwood, Baylor (2015)

RB Byron Marshall, Oregon (2015)

RB Kevin Parks, Virginia (2015)

RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State (2015)

RB TJ Yeldon, Alabama (2015)

I think this position group is easily the strength of the 2015 draft class. Lots of depth and variety. Players of all styles. Intriguing names all the way from the first round down to the day three guys. Definitely a loaded class. With Gurley injured and Gordon looking awesome, I would say Melvin is the #1 guy there.

Of the underclassmen, I think Nick Chubb is the best player at QB/RB/WR/TE in the 2016-2017 classes. He would be a first round pick if he declared this year and he's already good enough to start in the NFL tomorrow. Shame he's going to take two more years of unnecessary mileage and injury risk in college.

With the way medical technology has done with ACL surgery and how NFLers can get the best in rehab services, would you take Gordon on a dynasty team over Gurley?

Of course, Gordon might be Best running Back I ever seen in college. He is like a stronger, bigger Jamaal Charles.... Is gurly that good??? he sorta reminds me of LATTIMORE in all honesty and I think Gurly could Bust out..... Bigger Jamaal charles or Marcus Lattimore part2 Not hard fellas.

 

[EBF]

Stanford senior WR Ty Montgomery's draft stock has fallen this season, according to ESPN's Todd McShay.
"He hasn't plummeted, but he has dropped balls and been inconsistent," wrote McShay. "Against Washington, Notre Dame and Oregon, Montgomery had 15 combined catches but just 76 total yards. I still view the senior, who will sit out Saturday's game against UCLA with a shoulder injury, as a potential first-rounder (he is a weapon as a return man). But 
I think he's a likelier Day 2 pick now." Montgomery looks better on paper than the aptitude he shows on Saturdays, an AFC West scout told NFL.com this week. We agree that Montgomery isn't a first-round pick, and also that his reputation exceeds his reality.

Source: ESPN Insider
Nov 27 - 2:48 PM

I think he will be a 2nd-3rd round pick. Great athlete. Not necessarily a great receiver. He had his moments this year, but still has issues with drops. He is not particularly good at making difficult catches, so if the ball is off his body at all, don't expect him to extend and make an incredible play. I think he will be a solid complementary target in the NFL. If anyone is expecting him to carry the water as a #1 WR, they're setting themselves up for disappointment.

He will look and test like a god at the combine though.

 

[T with T]

Scout: Tevin Coleman dominating with 'suspect offensive line'

Indiana's Tevin Coleman on verge of 2,000-yard season

Tevin Coleman looks awesome, Im gonna target him in the first round of my rookie drafts, looks like a AP/Murray clone.

 

[lod01]

EC WR Justin Hardy is on right now on ESPNU. This guy can catch a football.

 

[georg013]

Man. Had Gurley not been hurt or popped for violations we probably wouldnt be comparing him to Lattimore. I wont speak too much on it but I pray my leaguemates are low on him as well. I would love to grab him at the 1.03 spot.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

My top-5 WR's right now:

Cooper/Parker

White

DGB

Duke Williams

Guys that will be situation dependent for me, and whose draft pedigree will tell me a lot: Diggs, Funchess

Guys I don't like as much as most seem to: Strong, Coates, Agholor, Montgomery, Greene

Guys I need to see more of: Caroo, Greenberry, Smelter

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft: Pass rushers on clearance at Missouri, Arkansas

 

[Faust]

2015 NFL Draft: Georgia Tech's Adam Gotsis a name to remember

 

[Xue]

I don't see it with Kevin White. He's more like Anquan Boldin than Larry Fitzgerald. Though his routes aren't as good as Boldin's. Still question his actual size. I look at a guy like D'haquille and he looks taller and longer-limbed than White despite being listed at 6'2". White is winning a lot of jumpballs, but how many of those is he really gonna get in the NFL? He seems to be very limited right now. His body control isn't as great as people make it out to be. He can't do some of the things DeVante Parker can do while in the air. I just don't see a potential elite WR to put him that high.