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First of all, the captain doesn't navigate the ship through there, a local pilot does. And there were 2 of them. (As you already know I'm sure). They lost power and with it the ability to control the ship.it's throwing out wild things like this that allows conspiracy talk to steam roll and pick up a life of their own
She's right but it doesn't seem right to say the ship didn't hit with any force since it wasn't accelerating.
Running joke when I was teaching her to drive. When getting off the highway try not to slow down until you are in the deceleration lane.....
Hey Joe, you know how to really twist things, I was just trying to say the explanation might be something simple that nobody wants to believe
Dan LeBatard has a special lead in where his father with a very thick accent says "It's time for something we call Reckless Speculation"this is america, let's wildly speculate without facts and jump to conclusions.
Amen brother
They said the boat called the authorities ahead, and said they had major power issues. No idea if that was an hour or five minutes, but it was said on TV that they were able to keep some people off the bridge. So it doesn't sound like anyone fell asleep or whatevs.Hey Joe, I was just trying to say the explanation might be something simple that nobody wants to believe
Obviously the lights going on and off the ship which i never saw until I opened the 2nd thread on this disaster, might have just been mechanical issues.
Captain sleeping is not a conspiracy theory IMHO but I don't want to argue with you
Google the Exxon Valdez oil spill and get back to us.
Seems to be about 3 minutes if the timeline given is accurate. There were trucks crossing seconds before impact.
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Just for kicks I did and it seems like non-functioning radar was a major culprit.Google the Exxon Valdez oil spill and get back to us.
considering I spent 8 years at a unit that constantly did case studies on the Exxon Valdez I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about.Google the Exxon Valdez oil spill and get back to us.
Okay, then you know that human error was a contributing factor to that event. That isn't a conspiracy theory. Human error is the cause of lots of accidents.considering I spent 8 years at a unit that constantly did case studies on the Exxon Valdez I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about.Google the Exxon Valdez oil spill and get back to us.
All accidents ceased to exist about the same time social media was invented, I think
I'm not trying to argue but there weren't cargo ships in the late 70s?
Yes, but nowhere near the same amount of stuff they haul now.
i don’t think saying the captain was sleeping was anything reckless. i am just making a general comment. captain could be sleeping, maybe he had chicks on the bridge like the costa dummy. maybe a johnson rod came loose. it can be any number of things, but not all of them are sinister and murky, like the internet will speculate. i’m sure someone has already said the bridge the collapses before the boat hits and the baltimore mayor must’ve caused the explosion because he wants more people trapped in the city for elections. now that’s speculation!Dan LeBatard has a special lead in where his father with a very thick accent says "It's time for something we call Reckless Speculation"this is america, let's wildly speculate without facts and jump to conclusions.
I was in no way trying to drive any type of conspiracy theory, I even posted specifically about it.
And I don't think you were insinuating that I was Chem X
I think what he means by "these" is the size of container ships today versus 50 years ago.
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I can agree that no problem, my thing was the mention of the captain falling a sleep at 1:30 in the morning. This isn't a car, falling a sleep at the wheel isn't even plausible on a vessel of this size. Forget the fact that there are bar pilots who are taking the ship out but even if the Captain was at the helm the bridge is going to have multiple people on it running and monitoring various things so even "if" someone were to start dozing off then it will be noticed and the person will be quickly woken up.Okay, then you know that human error was a contributing factor to that event. That isn't a conspiracy theory. Human error is the cause of lots of accidents.considering I spent 8 years at a unit that constantly did case studies on the Exxon Valdez I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about.Google the Exxon Valdez oil spill and get back to us.
Uhhh yea that was immediate. Just thousands of insane posts now.
To be fair it’s not my TL it’s that for you tab, which is my fault for ever opening.
yowsaI think what he means by "these" is the size of container ships today versus 50 years ago.
Evolution of Containerships | The Geography of Transport Systems
Going underwater (tunnel) as those massive container ships are passing over it's like "I sure hope they're not off their marks to the left or right".yowsaI think what he means by "these" is the size of container ships today versus 50 years ago.
Evolution of Containerships | The Geography of Transport Systems
I was wondering if dropping the anchor caused that turn toward the piling.
CNN had an update saying an anchor was dropped.
What we could call deacceleration or negative acceleration is the result of an opposite force placed on an object in motion. In this case, the pillar's resistance to movement was a force that could be used to calculate the force the tanker had. I'd guess the best way to calculate it would be the resistance force of the pier/pillar added to the mass of the tanker x velocity with which it was moved when it finally broke apart. In other words, it was slowed down by the pillar which could be a known number and then add that to the "exit" velocity force in a sense.
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Exactly what I meant. I think.What we could call deacceleration or negative acceleration is the result of an opposite force placed on an object. In this case, the pillar's resistance to movement was a force that could be used to calculate the force the tanker had. I'd guess the best way to calculate it would be the resistance force of the pier/pillar added to the mass of the tanker x velocity with which it was moved when it finally broke apart. In other words, it was slowed down by the pillar which could be a known number and then add that to the "exit" velocity force in a sense.
This is a nigh impossible calculation.
Probably easiest way to get the force would be to calculate the amount of force needed to be applied to get the boat moving from zero to the speed it was when it contacted the bridge pillar. That's simpler than worrying about the forces involved in the negative acceleration immediately following impact which would have a myriad of forces involved.
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I don't think we disagree -- we were just on different pages.
In videos you can clearly see the crew they are referencing here on the bridge. Hoping the best for all involved...Audio from port authority as it happened. They definitely saved some lives there. And one officer was going to head up to warn the crew but never got a chance.
2024/03/26 - Key Bridge Collapse - Maryland Transportation Authority Police Dispatch and Response
The Maryland Transportation Authority Police Dispatch and Response to the Key Bridge Collapse. Officials saved numerous lives shutting down the bridge just ...
you can see the shipping channel in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ
It's not that difficult. 165,000 ton cargo container going about 5 miles an hour puts a 800,000 pound point force into the side of the pillars. But it it time dependent so that's pretty much a minimum giving it a full second between impact and failure. A tenth of a second puts it at 8,000,000 pounds.What we could call deacceleration or negative acceleration is the result of an opposite force placed on an object in motion. In this case, the pillar's resistance to movement was a force that could be used to calculate the force the tanker had. I'd guess the best way to calculate it would be the resistance force of the pier/pillar added to the mass of the tanker x velocity with which it was moved when it finally broke apart. In other words, it was slowed down by the pillar which could be a known number and then add that to the "exit" velocity force in a sense.
This is a nigh impossible calculation.
Probably easiest way to get the force would be to calculate the amount of force needed to be applied to get the boat moving from zero to the speed it was when it contacted the bridge pillar. That's simpler than worrying about the forces involved in the negative acceleration immediately following impact which would have a myriad of forces involved.
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Totally irrelevant to the tragedy, but Im not the one who brought up the movie.
That is worth watching.
Thanks. Yeah, the ship was farther away from the bridge when it lost power than I assumed (from just seeing the video), so it didn't need to change course at as severe an angle to hit the pillar.
WAG - 1.5 years at an absolute minimum.
I've always thought S2 of The Wire was quietly excellent. People just don't like it because it doesn't feature as much Stringer Bell and Omar Little. If S2 had been the first season, it would be considered a classic.
"start whoever. start everybody. the bridge just collapsed."Audio from port authority as it happened. They definitely saved some lives there. And one officer was going to head up to warn the crew but never got a chance.
2024/03/26 - Key Bridge Collapse - Maryland Transportation Authority Police Dispatch and Response
The Maryland Transportation Authority Police Dispatch and Response to the Key Bridge Collapse. Officials saved numerous lives shutting down the bridge just ...
This would be a good time for somebody in a position of authority to step up and prove us wrong. I've said many times before that the US in 2024 would be incapable of building the interstate highway system from scratch, and we've all seen how assorted public works projects involving high-speed rail have gone. It's not like the technology here is complicated or anything -- we've just chosen as a society to make this sort of thing impossible.
