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Somehow I don't think he "loves" carrying the clipboard. Now that would beHe's still a multi-millionaire doing what he 'loves' for a living.
How angry CAN he be?
If this turns out to be true Rodgers is as good as gone after 2009. Sooner if he causes enough stink over it. It's pretty lame on the Packers part to promise a guy the starting job, then bring a legend back to take it away.
Not sure why everyone assumes that the competition isn't real for Rodgers. After all the crap the Packers have said and done, I'm more concerned that they won't give Favre the job even when he crushes Rodgers in TC. With all the talk of moving on and AR being the starter, does anyone believe that Favre gets a fair chance in this "competition"?Silver & Black said:
I will give you props for this, as it was one of my thoughts as well.It may be one of those showcase him in the first preseason game things.If he really gets to "compete".
Interesting point, although I don't agree.I think this is the only way the Packer organization can save face at this point. They know Favre is one of the greats and is coming off an absolutely great season. By making it an "open" competition, it just gives them the best way to bring him back as the starter and not make it look like they caved into to Favre here, which they clearly did. Obviously, they didn't want him back. I just don't see them bringing him in and cutting him right before the season starts. Talk about PR nightmares gone wild!!No, I think this is a way to make the best of a horrible situation for the organization. You call it a competition, and let one of the best QB's ever to play lead your team in 2008. Rodgers gets his chance in 2009. Not what the team wanted, but at this point, its the only real option, in my opinion.
So you think Thompson is going to be dumb enough to risk Favre outplaying Rodgers in preseason (most likely to happen) then cut him? The longer Favre's in camp the more public opinion swings over to Brett. The second Brett stepped off that plane yesterday it became too late to outright cut him. Trade him, maybe but not just flat out release him.
But if you listen to everyone, he "handled this situation like a true champ". I don't really find it hard to do this when you have been given a script and are told to just follow the script which is exactly what he did. Maybe he's just a better actor that most people thought, big whoopedy dooo. On the other hand if/when Mike Vick comes back and comes off as handling all the questions that will come his way as well as Rodgers then I will give him some real credit. Example of questions for Rodgers/Vick"Hey Aaron, is this a distraction for your team"vs. "Hey Mike, we think you are a POS and should rot in hell, is this a distraction to your team"and"Hey Aaron, we all feel just awful for you, you have been through so much, How are you handling the pressure"vs."Hey Mike, you belong in prison, we all hate you, How are you handling the pressure"Real tough for Aaron. It's been so hard on Aaron with the media telling him how rough life is on him, he stuck to a script, wow, what a guy.
Do you really believe that? The deck is stacked against Rodgers and everyone knows it. If Brett Favre is on the team he's the starter, EOS.
The deck is stacked against him because Brett is a better QB.
Better or not better, it doesn't matter. If Brett Favre is on the roster he starts. The city of GB would revolt if he wasn't the starter and he's on the team. Hell, I would love to witness that.
I don't know about that. You may be right but winning cures a lot of ills. If Rodgers were the starter and he went out and played great and threw bullets all over the field, although some fans may be slow to embrace him, if he were the better QB I think the fans would quickly come around. Maybe I'm naive though....
If Favre hadn't made the decision to retire(a difficult and emotional decision), Rodgers wouldn't even be getting a chance to compete this year. You're right about how he "earned" a position, but with Favre there, that position should be QB2. All people are saying is that AR hasn't proven anything in the NFL yet vs 16 years of experience and a 13-3 record last year from Favre. IMO Rodgers is lucky to even have the chance to compete. It's totally understandable if he's upset about this, but he'll get his chance at some point and if he proves he's good enough he should have a good career...if he can manage to stay healthy.
What the hell does Rodgers have to do with Michael Vick?Your dislike for Rodgers is laughable.But if you listen to everyone, he "handled this situation like a true champ". I don't really find it hard to do this when you have been given a script and are told to just follow the script which is exactly what he did. Maybe he's just a better actor that most people thought, big whoopedy dooo. On the other hand if/when Mike Vick comes back and comes off as handling all the questions that will come his way as well as Rodgers then I will give him some real credit. Example of questions for Rodgers/Vick"Hey Aaron, is this a distraction for your team"vs. "Hey Mike, we think you are a POS and should rot in hell, is this a distraction to your team"and"Hey Aaron, we all feel just awful for you, you have been through so much, How are you handling the pressure"vs."Hey Mike, you belong in prison, we all hate you, How are you handling the pressure"Real tough for Aaron. It's been so hard on Aaron with the media telling him how rough life is on him, he stuck to a script, wow, what a guy.
The clear inference is they would be angry with Favre for deciding to play for the team he led to a superbowl and a cabillion victories instead of staying retired.
I don't know how many people were still hanging in there during the 2nd half of the game last night, but Al Michaels said something interesting. He talked to one head of personnel for an NFL team, and asked him what the chances are that Favre is the starting QB for GB this season. The personnel man said "8 to 1 against it." There might be something to your view.
So you're arguing that Aaron Rodgers' mindset is as follows:"I was named the starter, but now I'm excited because I'm no longer the starter but will have to outperform Brett Favre during the preseason, and that means I have a better shot at winning." Are you serious?pollardsvision said:
You need to remember that these guys are professionals and Rodgers has had 4 years of wondering if he was going to be the starter. I think he's use to it by now. If I were Rodgers I would be thankful that I have an opportunity to get paid millions of $$ to play a game. I'm not saying he should be happy, just saying he probably isn't as pi$$ed as some on the message board because he's a professional. What ever happens he will get over it and it will probably make him a stronger person in the end.
Easy for you to say. He's past the point of diminishing marginal returns as far as learning from the sidelines, and he's getting ready to reach the end of his rookie contract without having proven a thing on the field. Your "it builds character" speech rings pretty hollow under those circumstances.
Favre, management, etc. I'm not saying it's even right to be angry, but it is human nature.
Favre and bad luck. It's not that being angry is the "right" way to go about this, but if I was in Rodgers' shoes I'd be good and mad. I'd also keep my mouth shut, compete, and then simply indicate after the season (no matter what anybody said, including Favre) that I wasn't resigning with the team.
I don't know how you can say that when Green Bay has done everything to have Farve NOT come back. How would the deck be stacked against Rodgers?
That's not what having the deck stacked against you means. Having the deck stacked against you means something is happening and the outcome isn't fair. If Farve outplays this guy, then it is fair and Farve will start.If Farve starts and Rodgers clearly outplays in during the preseason, that's having the deck stacked against you.
Good posting, Joe and it's my thoughts exactly.My question with the Packers is this: If they believe Farve is the better QB and gives them the best chance to win a SB this year, how come they wouldn't have brought him back ASAP when Farve gave them a word over a month ago. I'd like to know what your thoughts are because I have my own opinion on it. To me, it just doesn't make sense if they don't believe Rodgers is the real deal....this year.
You mean you'd announce after this season that you wouldn't resign with Green Bay after the following season? He's under contract through 2009.
I disagree, how was he about to get a job he never earned? He's been the back up to Farve for years, learning the system. With Farve retired, how was he getting something he didn't earn?pollardsvision said:/thread
He got it by default when the better QB retired. He never had to prove he was better than anyone else to get the job. Well, unless you want to give him credit for "proving" he is better than Brohm. Seems pretty obvious.I disagree, how was he about to get a job he never earned? He's been the back up to Farve for years, learning the system. With Farve retired, how was he getting something he didn't earn?pollardsvision said:/thread
I thought I'd read somewhere that he was only signed through this year (2008). I'll go look it up.Edit- You're right, he signed a 5-year, $7.7M contract in 2005, which gets him through 2009.
That will get him mad.
No it doesn't. I've worked in many upper level management positions where I was in someone elses shadow, it happens everyday. The circumstances are what they are, he has been a backup and hasn't proven anything on the field, agreed. Who's fault is that? Not every player is put in these situations but some are, and the ones who have character are the ones who dont complain. Rodgers has done everything right in his career up to this point. When Young went to the 49ers did he complain when he had to back up Montana for 4 years? He waited until he got his chance and then proved it on the field. Rodgers is doing just as Young did, he's plaing the hand he's been dealt, that's all he can do. I'm assuming you're a GB fan, are you willing to risk the season (playoffs) gambling that Rodgers makes this team better than Favre would?Personally I think that GB wants Rodgers to have the job because if they don't give it to him they will then risk Rodgers going somewhere else when he becomes a free agent. Chances are though he will shop the market and he may go to another team anyway. The Packers should be looking out for what makes them a contender this season. If they honestly believe that Rodgers makes them a better football team now then they should cut Favre lose, no hard feelings.
Players like to win, but why would anyone assume that this soap opera is going to help them win?I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the Pack fall apart the first half of the year.Not only could Rodgers be pissed, any Packer player (except maybe Jennings and Driver) has a right to be. If I'm Rodgers, heading into the last year of my contract (even if I would be RFA), I'm asking for a trade behind closed doors. Send me to the Jets or 49ers.
