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[Notorious T.R.E.]

- Kevin Love isn't exactly the most durable player either. He's NEVER played an 82 game season.

You all caps that like it means something. LeBron's never played an 82 game season either.

He's on a roll.

 

[biggamer3]

If Klay and Lee and possibly Barnes is the offer for GS to get Love and probably Martin thrown in too, is there anyone who still thinks GS is smart to not deal for Love?

I seriously cant think of one reason why this is a not no brainer for GS, especially considering Klay already is talking about wanting a max deal next year.

Klay's defense was ok, lets not make him into Ron Artest in his prime.

I have stated this many times before....

To upgrade from David Lee to Kevin Love it will cost the Warriors:

Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, cap flexibility (if they have to take on Kevin Martin), and potentially 1st round draft picks and/or Draymond.

If Kevin Love was a 2 way player sure you do that trade, but he isn't. The Warriors offense would be better, but at what cost to the #4 DEF based on points per possession and depth?

Other points:

- Kevin Love isn't exactly the most durable player either. He's NEVER played an 82 game season. When a team's futures already ride on Curry's ankle and whatever freak accident can injure Bogut, do you really want to a 3rd player who's never finished a full season? Klay Thompson has played every game and only missed 1 game last year due to his grandfather's funeral.

- Stephen Curry, Steve Kerr, and Iggy have spoken out to keep Klay. Those are 3 important people. Team chemistry matters, especially when your franchise player is making only 11 per year for the next 4 years and they just dumped the coach he publicly couched for.

- The Warriors team is good enough and young enough to stand pat and see what they've got. Curry, Klay, Barnes, Draymond can still improve. Draymond is worlds better on defense than Love and he showed major improvement with his 3 pointer last year. There's no reason he can't function as the stretch 4. With Kerr on the bench instead of Mark Jackson, the team should improve on the #12 ranked offense that relied on isolation and post ups. The team as is and with good health can sport a Top 5 offense (they certainly have the talent sans Love) to go along with the #4 DEF.

Sure Kevin Love is a great player, but the Warriors are a very good team without him. Add Love, but subtract Klay...they remain a very good team but with questions about defense and future flexibility. The goal is to add Kevin Love WITH Curry and Klay....you do that and they are championship contenders.

About the points about Curry, Iggy and Kerr speaking out in favor of Klay, take that with a HUGE grain of salt since 1) they are likely friends with him (the players) and 2) there is NO reason for them to ever say they are in favor of a trade since they are professionals and they know how the media would spin their words. If he gets dealt they simply say we loved Klay but this is a business and they move on. Their words didn't mean much when they clamored to keep Jax around, they seem pretty happy with Kerr now.

About losing flexibility with this deal, Lee and Klay would cost the Warriors 29M next year, Love and Martin will be about 23M, they actually are saving money and over the long run it is non debatable which player you rather take with you for the next 5 years between Love and Klay on similar contracts.

As to the part about them being a winning team as it is, the are never going to go far this this squad of guys absent a second superstar joining the rotation, Love is that star.

Again if they're all friends...it could ruin team chemistry. Simple. Sure it's not a big deal and certainly not a sticking point, but it's something to consider along with the basketball implications.

Lee's deal is up in 2 years, Martin's is 3 years. I also believe since Kevin Love's next contract will be based on a percentage raise from his previous MAX... Kevin Love's MAX deal will cost more than Klay's MAX deal.

It maybe insane (it is!) to think but maybe Klay is the 2nd superstar? Just for fun how many other perimeter players are out there that averaged 16+ ppg AND 38% from 3 point land (Klay career marks)

Last year there was 10 of them:

Curry

Klay

Dragic

Lillard

Matthews

Afflalo

Kevin Martin

Bradley Beal

Nick Young

Now of that list how many can defend 1s AND the wing players (though he struggles against beefier 3s) ? Afflalo and Matthews for sure. Dragic passable. Beal maybe in the future?

So then you have Klay, Beal, Afflalo, Matthews, and Dragic. Afflalo and Matthews/Dragic are 28 and 27 respectively. Beal is the only one younger than Klay (20 vs 23). So while it seems there's a bunch of 3 and D guys in the league.... Klay is among the best and arguably THE BEST 3 and D guy in the league (I'll give you Kawhi).

If you want to look at 3 year averages since Klay's been in the league you add: LeBron James, Kyle Lowry, James Harden, Joe Johnson, and Kyrie Irving to the list above. LBJ is the Best on Earth. Harden is a MAX contract guy and plays NO DEFENSE. Lowry and Kyrie are PGs. Joe Johnson is old.

People think it's a no brainer because Kevin Love is the ultimate stretch 4 and that Klay's skills are easily replaceable but after looking at it more it maybe just as true for Klay as it is for Love.

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Stats to support

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G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting in 2013-2014

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting since Klay's been in the league

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2012&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

Klay has a Per over his career of under 14, Love's is 23.

Love only one year older. Klay is a great 3 pt shooter but don't forget he plays with the greatest shooter since Jesus Shuttlesworth in Steph. Let's see how much better he shoots when he is next to Ricky Rubio every game.

 

[No. 16]

- Kevin Love isn't exactly the most durable player either. He's NEVER played an 82 game season.

You all caps that like it means something. LeBron's never played an 82 game season either.

Yes, disregard the rest of what I wrote. Kevin Love is injury prone. LBJ is not.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

To be fair, many times Love is taking time off so we can tank more.

 

[No. 16]

If Klay and Lee and possibly Barnes is the offer for GS to get Love and probably Martin thrown in too, is there anyone who still thinks GS is smart to not deal for Love?

I seriously cant think of one reason why this is a not no brainer for GS, especially considering Klay already is talking about wanting a max deal next year.

Klay's defense was ok, lets not make him into Ron Artest in his prime.

I have stated this many times before....

To upgrade from David Lee to Kevin Love it will cost the Warriors:

Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, cap flexibility (if they have to take on Kevin Martin), and potentially 1st round draft picks and/or Draymond.

If Kevin Love was a 2 way player sure you do that trade, but he isn't. The Warriors offense would be better, but at what cost to the #4 DEF based on points per possession and depth?

Other points:

- Kevin Love isn't exactly the most durable player either. He's NEVER played an 82 game season. When a team's futures already ride on Curry's ankle and whatever freak accident can injure Bogut, do you really want to a 3rd player who's never finished a full season? Klay Thompson has played every game and only missed 1 game last year due to his grandfather's funeral.

- Stephen Curry, Steve Kerr, and Iggy have spoken out to keep Klay. Those are 3 important people. Team chemistry matters, especially when your franchise player is making only 11 per year for the next 4 years and they just dumped the coach he publicly couched for.

- The Warriors team is good enough and young enough to stand pat and see what they've got. Curry, Klay, Barnes, Draymond can still improve. Draymond is worlds better on defense than Love and he showed major improvement with his 3 pointer last year. There's no reason he can't function as the stretch 4. With Kerr on the bench instead of Mark Jackson, the team should improve on the #12 ranked offense that relied on isolation and post ups. The team as is and with good health can sport a Top 5 offense (they certainly have the talent sans Love) to go along with the #4 DEF.

Sure Kevin Love is a great player, but the Warriors are a very good team without him. Add Love, but subtract Klay...they remain a very good team but with questions about defense and future flexibility. The goal is to add Kevin Love WITH Curry and Klay....you do that and they are championship contenders.

About the points about Curry, Iggy and Kerr speaking out in favor of Klay, take that with a HUGE grain of salt since 1) they are likely friends with him (the players) and 2) there is NO reason for them to ever say they are in favor of a trade since they are professionals and they know how the media would spin their words. If he gets dealt they simply say we loved Klay but this is a business and they move on. Their words didn't mean much when they clamored to keep Jax around, they seem pretty happy with Kerr now.

About losing flexibility with this deal, Lee and Klay would cost the Warriors 29M next year, Love and Martin will be about 23M, they actually are saving money and over the long run it is non debatable which player you rather take with you for the next 5 years between Love and Klay on similar contracts.

As to the part about them being a winning team as it is, the are never going to go far this this squad of guys absent a second superstar joining the rotation, Love is that star.

Again if they're all friends...it could ruin team chemistry. Simple. Sure it's not a big deal and certainly not a sticking point, but it's something to consider along with the basketball implications.

Lee's deal is up in 2 years, Martin's is 3 years. I also believe since Kevin Love's next contract will be based on a percentage raise from his previous MAX... Kevin Love's MAX deal will cost more than Klay's MAX deal.

It maybe insane (it is!) to think but maybe Klay is the 2nd superstar? Just for fun how many other perimeter players are out there that averaged 16+ ppg AND 38% from 3 point land (Klay career marks)

Last year there was 10 of them:

Curry

Klay

Dragic

Lillard

Matthews

Afflalo

Kevin Martin

Bradley Beal

Nick Young

Now of that list how many can defend 1s AND the wing players (though he struggles against beefier 3s) ? Afflalo and Matthews for sure. Dragic passable. Beal maybe in the future?

So then you have Klay, Beal, Afflalo, Matthews, and Dragic. Afflalo and Matthews/Dragic are 28 and 27 respectively. Beal is the only one younger than Klay (20 vs 23). So while it seems there's a bunch of 3 and D guys in the league.... Klay is among the best and arguably THE BEST 3 and D guy in the league (I'll give you Kawhi).

If you want to look at 3 year averages since Klay's been in the league you add: LeBron James, Kyle Lowry, James Harden, Joe Johnson, and Kyrie Irving to the list above. LBJ is the Best on Earth. Harden is a MAX contract guy and plays NO DEFENSE. Lowry and Kyrie are PGs. Joe Johnson is old.

People think it's a no brainer because Kevin Love is the ultimate stretch 4 and that Klay's skills are easily replaceable but after looking at it more it maybe just as true for Klay as it is for Love.

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Stats to support

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G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting in 2013-2014

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting since Klay's been in the league

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2012&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

Klay has a Per over his career of under 14, Love's is 23.

Love only one year older. Klay is a great 3 pt shooter but don't forget he plays with the greatest shooter since Jesus Shuttlesworth in Steph. Let's see how much better he shoots when he is next to Ricky Rubio every game.

PER is a statistic that helps add all the box score stats into one easy number to digest. So yes Kevin Love has a better PER than Klay because of his scoring volume and rebounding. However, PER doesn't account for defense.

With all that said... 1 for 1 Kevin Love is a better player than Klay. I don't think anyone with a sane mind with debate that.

However, you asked why Klay Thompson was such a sticking point for the Warriors in acquiring Love it's because the deal is not simply Love for Klay. You have to look at the chain reaction it cause on the starting lineup..... Love and Livingston/Brandon Rush or David Lee and Klay with Livingston/Rush/Barnes on the bench? I'll take keeping Klay and the rest over adding Love.

ETA: Who cares what Klay's shooting is like without Steph? That's the whole reason they're not trading Klay because together they are the best shooting back court in the NBA!! If he goes to the Twolves I expect his volume to go up and efficiency to go down, just like any other player.

 

[Gr00vus]

As I recall, West and the rest of upper management really like Thompson as well. I don't think the current Ws roster has peaked yet - they could do better on offense than they have. Depending on Bogut is the shaky part of their current roster - dealing Thompson + guys for Love doesn't really address that and might even exacerbate the problem.

 

[Paulymaggs]

If Klay and Lee and possibly Barnes is the offer for GS to get Love and probably Martin thrown in too, is there anyone who still thinks GS is smart to not deal for Love?

I seriously cant think of one reason why this is a not no brainer for GS, especially considering Klay already is talking about wanting a max deal next year.

Klay's defense was ok, lets not make him into Ron Artest in his prime.

I have stated this many times before....

To upgrade from David Lee to Kevin Love it will cost the Warriors:

Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, cap flexibility (if they have to take on Kevin Martin), and potentially 1st round draft picks and/or Draymond.

If Kevin Love was a 2 way player sure you do that trade, but he isn't. The Warriors offense would be better, but at what cost to the #4 DEF based on points per possession and depth?

Other points:

- Kevin Love isn't exactly the most durable player either. He's NEVER played an 82 game season. When a team's futures already ride on Curry's ankle and whatever freak accident can injure Bogut, do you really want to a 3rd player who's never finished a full season? Klay Thompson has played every game and only missed 1 game last year due to his grandfather's funeral.

- Stephen Curry, Steve Kerr, and Iggy have spoken out to keep Klay. Those are 3 important people. Team chemistry matters, especially when your franchise player is making only 11 per year for the next 4 years and they just dumped the coach he publicly couched for.

- The Warriors team is good enough and young enough to stand pat and see what they've got. Curry, Klay, Barnes, Draymond can still improve. Draymond is worlds better on defense than Love and he showed major improvement with his 3 pointer last year. There's no reason he can't function as the stretch 4. With Kerr on the bench instead of Mark Jackson, the team should improve on the #12 ranked offense that relied on isolation and post ups. The team as is and with good health can sport a Top 5 offense (they certainly have the talent sans Love) to go along with the #4 DEF.

Sure Kevin Love is a great player, but the Warriors are a very good team without him. Add Love, but subtract Klay...they remain a very good team but with questions about defense and future flexibility. The goal is to add Kevin Love WITH Curry and Klay....you do that and they are championship contenders.

About the points about Curry, Iggy and Kerr speaking out in favor of Klay, take that with a HUGE grain of salt since 1) they are likely friends with him (the players) and 2) there is NO reason for them to ever say they are in favor of a trade since they are professionals and they know how the media would spin their words. If he gets dealt they simply say we loved Klay but this is a business and they move on. Their words didn't mean much when they clamored to keep Jax around, they seem pretty happy with Kerr now.

About losing flexibility with this deal, Lee and Klay would cost the Warriors 29M next year, Love and Martin will be about 23M, they actually are saving money and over the long run it is non debatable which player you rather take with you for the next 5 years between Love and Klay on similar contracts.

As to the part about them being a winning team as it is, the are never going to go far this this squad of guys absent a second superstar joining the rotation, Love is that star.

Again if they're all friends...it could ruin team chemistry. Simple. Sure it's not a big deal and certainly not a sticking point, but it's something to consider along with the basketball implications.

Lee's deal is up in 2 years, Martin's is 3 years. I also believe since Kevin Love's next contract will be based on a percentage raise from his previous MAX... Kevin Love's MAX deal will cost more than Klay's MAX deal.

It maybe insane (it is!) to think but maybe Klay is the 2nd superstar? Just for fun how many other perimeter players are out there that averaged 16+ ppg AND 38% from 3 point land (Klay career marks)

Last year there was 10 of them:

Curry

Klay

Dragic

Lillard

Matthews

Afflalo

Kevin Martin

Bradley Beal

Nick Young

Now of that list how many can defend 1s AND the wing players (though he struggles against beefier 3s) ? Afflalo and Matthews for sure. Dragic passable. Beal maybe in the future?

So then you have Klay, Beal, Afflalo, Matthews, and Dragic. Afflalo and Matthews/Dragic are 28 and 27 respectively. Beal is the only one younger than Klay (20 vs 23). So while it seems there's a bunch of 3 and D guys in the league.... Klay is among the best and arguably THE BEST 3 and D guy in the league (I'll give you Kawhi).

If you want to look at 3 year averages since Klay's been in the league you add: LeBron James, Kyle Lowry, James Harden, Joe Johnson, and Kyrie Irving to the list above. LBJ is the Best on Earth. Harden is a MAX contract guy and plays NO DEFENSE. Lowry and Kyrie are PGs. Joe Johnson is old.

People think it's a no brainer because Kevin Love is the ultimate stretch 4 and that Klay's skills are easily replaceable but after looking at it more it maybe just as true for Klay as it is for Love.

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Stats to support

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G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting in 2013-2014

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting since Klay's been in the league

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2012&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

Klay has a Per over his career of under 14, Love's is 23.

Love only one year older. Klay is a great 3 pt shooter but don't forget he plays with the greatest shooter since Jesus Shuttlesworth in Steph. Let's see how much better he shoots when he is next to Ricky Rubio every game.

PER is a statistic that helps add all the box score stats into one easy number to digest. So yes Kevin Love has a better PER than Klay because of his scoring volume and rebounding. However, PER doesn't account for defense.

With all that said... 1 for 1 Kevin Love is a better player than Klay. I don't think anyone with a sane mind with debate that.

However, you asked why Klay Thompson was such a sticking point for the Warriors in acquiring Love it's because the deal is not simply Love for Klay. You have to look at the chain reaction it cause on the starting lineup..... Love and Livingston/Brandon Rush or David Lee and Klay with Livingston/Rush/Barnes on the bench? I'll take keeping Klay and the rest over adding Love.

ETA: Who cares what Klay's shooting is like without Steph? That's the whole reason they're not trading Klay because together they are the best shooting back court in the NBA!! If he goes to the Twolves I expect his volume to go up and efficiency to go down, just like any other player.

Typical bay area inferiority complex.

 

[biggamer3]

If Klay and Lee and possibly Barnes is the offer for GS to get Love and probably Martin thrown in too, is there anyone who still thinks GS is smart to not deal for Love?

I seriously cant think of one reason why this is a not no brainer for GS, especially considering Klay already is talking about wanting a max deal next year.

Klay's defense was ok, lets not make him into Ron Artest in his prime.

I have stated this many times before....

To upgrade from David Lee to Kevin Love it will cost the Warriors:

Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, cap flexibility (if they have to take on Kevin Martin), and potentially 1st round draft picks and/or Draymond.

If Kevin Love was a 2 way player sure you do that trade, but he isn't. The Warriors offense would be better, but at what cost to the #4 DEF based on points per possession and depth?

Other points:

- Kevin Love isn't exactly the most durable player either. He's NEVER played an 82 game season. When a team's futures already ride on Curry's ankle and whatever freak accident can injure Bogut, do you really want to a 3rd player who's never finished a full season? Klay Thompson has played every game and only missed 1 game last year due to his grandfather's funeral.

- Stephen Curry, Steve Kerr, and Iggy have spoken out to keep Klay. Those are 3 important people. Team chemistry matters, especially when your franchise player is making only 11 per year for the next 4 years and they just dumped the coach he publicly couched for.

- The Warriors team is good enough and young enough to stand pat and see what they've got. Curry, Klay, Barnes, Draymond can still improve. Draymond is worlds better on defense than Love and he showed major improvement with his 3 pointer last year. There's no reason he can't function as the stretch 4. With Kerr on the bench instead of Mark Jackson, the team should improve on the #12 ranked offense that relied on isolation and post ups. The team as is and with good health can sport a Top 5 offense (they certainly have the talent sans Love) to go along with the #4 DEF.

Sure Kevin Love is a great player, but the Warriors are a very good team without him. Add Love, but subtract Klay...they remain a very good team but with questions about defense and future flexibility. The goal is to add Kevin Love WITH Curry and Klay....you do that and they are championship contenders.

About the points about Curry, Iggy and Kerr speaking out in favor of Klay, take that with a HUGE grain of salt since 1) they are likely friends with him (the players) and 2) there is NO reason for them to ever say they are in favor of a trade since they are professionals and they know how the media would spin their words. If he gets dealt they simply say we loved Klay but this is a business and they move on. Their words didn't mean much when they clamored to keep Jax around, they seem pretty happy with Kerr now.

About losing flexibility with this deal, Lee and Klay would cost the Warriors 29M next year, Love and Martin will be about 23M, they actually are saving money and over the long run it is non debatable which player you rather take with you for the next 5 years between Love and Klay on similar contracts.

As to the part about them being a winning team as it is, the are never going to go far this this squad of guys absent a second superstar joining the rotation, Love is that star.

Again if they're all friends...it could ruin team chemistry. Simple. Sure it's not a big deal and certainly not a sticking point, but it's something to consider along with the basketball implications.

Lee's deal is up in 2 years, Martin's is 3 years. I also believe since Kevin Love's next contract will be based on a percentage raise from his previous MAX... Kevin Love's MAX deal will cost more than Klay's MAX deal.

It maybe insane (it is!) to think but maybe Klay is the 2nd superstar? Just for fun how many other perimeter players are out there that averaged 16+ ppg AND 38% from 3 point land (Klay career marks)

Last year there was 10 of them:

Curry

Klay

Dragic

Lillard

Matthews

Afflalo

Kevin Martin

Bradley Beal

Nick Young

Now of that list how many can defend 1s AND the wing players (though he struggles against beefier 3s) ? Afflalo and Matthews for sure. Dragic passable. Beal maybe in the future?

So then you have Klay, Beal, Afflalo, Matthews, and Dragic. Afflalo and Matthews/Dragic are 28 and 27 respectively. Beal is the only one younger than Klay (20 vs 23). So while it seems there's a bunch of 3 and D guys in the league.... Klay is among the best and arguably THE BEST 3 and D guy in the league (I'll give you Kawhi).

If you want to look at 3 year averages since Klay's been in the league you add: LeBron James, Kyle Lowry, James Harden, Joe Johnson, and Kyrie Irving to the list above. LBJ is the Best on Earth. Harden is a MAX contract guy and plays NO DEFENSE. Lowry and Kyrie are PGs. Joe Johnson is old.

People think it's a no brainer because Kevin Love is the ultimate stretch 4 and that Klay's skills are easily replaceable but after looking at it more it maybe just as true for Klay as it is for Love.

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Stats to support

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G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting in 2013-2014

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting since Klay's been in the league

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2012&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

Klay has a Per over his career of under 14, Love's is 23.

Love only one year older. Klay is a great 3 pt shooter but don't forget he plays with the greatest shooter since Jesus Shuttlesworth in Steph. Let's see how much better he shoots when he is next to Ricky Rubio every game.

PER is a statistic that helps add all the box score stats into one easy number to digest. So yes Kevin Love has a better PER than Klay because of his scoring volume and rebounding. However, PER doesn't account for defense.

With all that said... 1 for 1 Kevin Love is a better player than Klay. I don't think anyone with a sane mind with debate that.

However, you asked why Klay Thompson was such a sticking point for the Warriors in acquiring Love it's because the deal is not simply Love for Klay. You have to look at the chain reaction it cause on the starting lineup..... Love and Livingston/Brandon Rush or David Lee and Klay with Livingston/Rush/Barnes on the bench? I'll take keeping Klay and the rest over adding Love.

ETA: Who cares what Klay's shooting is like without Steph? That's the whole reason they're not trading Klay because together they are the best shooting back court in the NBA!! If he goes to the Twolves I expect his volume to go up and efficiency to go down, just like any other player.

In any Love deal the Warriors are getting Martin. You put him right in to Klay's spot and he shoots the exact same %'s as Klay being that he will be open all day long.

Klay on another team wouldn't be shooting this well, that was my point, playing with Steph gets you much better looks than playing with any other PG.

 

[Frostillicus]

WIGGINS!

 

[No. 16]

If Klay and Lee and possibly Barnes is the offer for GS to get Love and probably Martin thrown in too, is there anyone who still thinks GS is smart to not deal for Love?

I seriously cant think of one reason why this is a not no brainer for GS, especially considering Klay already is talking about wanting a max deal next year.

Klay's defense was ok, lets not make him into Ron Artest in his prime.

I have stated this many times before....

To upgrade from David Lee to Kevin Love it will cost the Warriors:

Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, cap flexibility (if they have to take on Kevin Martin), and potentially 1st round draft picks and/or Draymond.

If Kevin Love was a 2 way player sure you do that trade, but he isn't. The Warriors offense would be better, but at what cost to the #4 DEF based on points per possession and depth?

Other points:

- Kevin Love isn't exactly the most durable player either. He's NEVER played an 82 game season. When a team's futures already ride on Curry's ankle and whatever freak accident can injure Bogut, do you really want to a 3rd player who's never finished a full season? Klay Thompson has played every game and only missed 1 game last year due to his grandfather's funeral.

- Stephen Curry, Steve Kerr, and Iggy have spoken out to keep Klay. Those are 3 important people. Team chemistry matters, especially when your franchise player is making only 11 per year for the next 4 years and they just dumped the coach he publicly couched for.

- The Warriors team is good enough and young enough to stand pat and see what they've got. Curry, Klay, Barnes, Draymond can still improve. Draymond is worlds better on defense than Love and he showed major improvement with his 3 pointer last year. There's no reason he can't function as the stretch 4. With Kerr on the bench instead of Mark Jackson, the team should improve on the #12 ranked offense that relied on isolation and post ups. The team as is and with good health can sport a Top 5 offense (they certainly have the talent sans Love) to go along with the #4 DEF.

Sure Kevin Love is a great player, but the Warriors are a very good team without him. Add Love, but subtract Klay...they remain a very good team but with questions about defense and future flexibility. The goal is to add Kevin Love WITH Curry and Klay....you do that and they are championship contenders.

About the points about Curry, Iggy and Kerr speaking out in favor of Klay, take that with a HUGE grain of salt since 1) they are likely friends with him (the players) and 2) there is NO reason for them to ever say they are in favor of a trade since they are professionals and they know how the media would spin their words. If he gets dealt they simply say we loved Klay but this is a business and they move on. Their words didn't mean much when they clamored to keep Jax around, they seem pretty happy with Kerr now. About losing flexibility with this deal, Lee and Klay would cost the Warriors 29M next year, Love and Martin will be about 23M, they actually are saving money and over the long run it is non debatable which player you rather take with you for the next 5 years between Love and Klay on similar contracts.

As to the part about them being a winning team as it is, the are never going to go far this this squad of guys absent a second superstar joining the rotation, Love is that star.

Again if they're all friends...it could ruin team chemistry. Simple. Sure it's not a big deal and certainly not a sticking point, but it's something to consider along with the basketball implications.

Lee's deal is up in 2 years, Martin's is 3 years. I also believe since Kevin Love's next contract will be based on a percentage raise from his previous MAX... Kevin Love's MAX deal will cost more than Klay's MAX deal.

It maybe insane (it is!) to think but maybe Klay is the 2nd superstar? Just for fun how many other perimeter players are out there that averaged 16+ ppg AND 38% from 3 point land (Klay career marks)

Last year there was 10 of them:

Curry

Klay

Dragic

Lillard

Matthews

Afflalo

Kevin Martin

Bradley Beal

Nick Young

Now of that list how many can defend 1s AND the wing players (though he struggles against beefier 3s) ? Afflalo and Matthews for sure. Dragic passable. Beal maybe in the future?

So then you have Klay, Beal, Afflalo, Matthews, and Dragic. Afflalo and Matthews/Dragic are 28 and 27 respectively. Beal is the only one younger than Klay (20 vs 23). So while it seems there's a bunch of 3 and D guys in the league.... Klay is among the best and arguably THE BEST 3 and D guy in the league (I'll give you Kawhi).

If you want to look at 3 year averages since Klay's been in the league you add: LeBron James, Kyle Lowry, James Harden, Joe Johnson, and Kyrie Irving to the list above. LBJ is the Best on Earth. Harden is a MAX contract guy and plays NO DEFENSE. Lowry and Kyrie are PGs. Joe Johnson is old.

People think it's a no brainer because Kevin Love is the ultimate stretch 4 and that Klay's skills are easily replaceable but after looking at it more it maybe just as true for Klay as it is for Love.

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Stats to support

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G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting in 2013-2014

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

G-F who scored 16+ ppg AND > 40% 3 point shooting since Klay's been in the league

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2012&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=16&c2stat=fg3_pct&c2comp=gt&c2val=.380&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

Klay has a Per over his career of under 14, Love's is 23. Love only one year older. Klay is a great 3 pt shooter but don't forget he plays with the greatest shooter since Jesus Shuttlesworth in Steph. Let's see how much better he shoots when he is next to Ricky Rubio every game.

PER is a statistic that helps add all the box score stats into one easy number to digest. So yes Kevin Love has a better PER than Klay because of his scoring volume and rebounding. However, PER doesn't account for defense.

With all that said... 1 for 1 Kevin Love is a better player than Klay. I don't think anyone with a sane mind with debate that.

However, you asked why Klay Thompson was such a sticking point for the Warriors in acquiring Love it's because the deal is not simply Love for Klay. You have to look at the chain reaction it cause on the starting lineup..... Love and Livingston/Brandon Rush or David Lee and Klay with Livingston/Rush/Barnes on the bench? I'll take keeping Klay and the rest over adding Love.

ETA: Who cares what Klay's shooting is like without Steph? That's the whole reason they're not trading Klay because together they are the best shooting back court in the NBA!! If he goes to the Twolves I expect his volume to go up and efficiency to go down, just like any other player.

In any Love deal the Warriors are getting Martin. You put him right in to Klay's spot and he shoots the exact same %'s as Klay being that he will be open all day long. Klay on another team wouldn't be shooting this well, that was my point, playing with Steph gets you much better looks than playing with any other PG.

Last I checked Kevin Martin doesn't play defense. That's what makes Klay special.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

WIGGINS!

YES!

Screw No.16's ramblings, let's get WIGGINS

 

[Frostillicus]

WIGGINS!

YES!

Screw No.16's ramblings, let's get WIGGINS

Needed to get this thread back on track.

 

[biggamer3]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

 

[Kev4029]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

No. 16 is one of the biggest homers we have in this thread, so I expect nothing less from him.

 

[Frostillicus]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

Defensive rating on whatifsports was only 51 this year.

 

[Kev4029]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

Defensive rating on whatifsports was only 51 this year.

/thread

 

[the moops]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

Defensive rating on whatifsports was only 51 this year.

Didnt you see that clip of Klay shutting down Chris Paul on that one play? No chance he is a 51 rating

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

Defensive rating on whatifsports was only 51 this year.

Didnt you see that clip of Klay shutting down Chris Paul on that one play? No chance he is a 51 rating

Ricky Rubio had more all-defensive votes than Klay.



19-5!!!

 

[Frostillicus]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

Defensive rating on whatifsports was only 51 this year.

Didnt you see that clip of Klay shutting down Chris Paul on that one play? No chance he is a 51 rating

Ricky Rubio had more all-defensive votes than Klay.



19-5!!!

Imagine Rubio and Wiggins. Shut down city.

 

[Britney Spears]

Royce Young @EyeOnBasketball 1 minute ago

Report: 76ers, Nuggets, Celtics among teams lining up to be third team in Love trade cbsprt.co/1mEDIM6

Man, Love really has rocked some awful looking beard/hair combinations.

Crap, was just thinking that looked like me.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Royce Young @EyeOnBasketball 1 minute ago

Report: 76ers, Nuggets, Celtics among teams lining up to be third team in Love trade cbsprt.co/1mEDIM6

Man, Love really has rocked some awful looking beard/hair combinations.

Crap, was just thinking that looked like me.

He looks awesome and so do you, gb.

 

[Frostillicus]

Klay 43rd best defensive SG in the league.

 

[Spartans Rule]

One way to use basketball-reference's player season finder:

1. Punch in Klay Thompson's statistics and search guards in 2013-14.

2. Get exclusive list of 10 names which includes Nick Young.

3. Explain why half of them aren't as good as Klay Thompson.

4. Conclude that Klay Thompson is irreplaceable.

Another way to use basketball-reference's player season finder:

1. Type in 26 ppg, 12 rpg and 37% on 3s and search all of basketball history.

2. Get list of 2 names - Kevin Love... and Kevin Love.

 

[Frostillicus]

One way to use basketball-reference's player season finder:

1. Punch in Klay Thompson's statistics and search guards in 2013-14.

2. Get exclusive list of 10 names which includes Nick Young.

3. Explain why half of them aren't as good as Klay Thompson.

4. Conclude that Klay Thompson is irreplaceable.

Another way to use basketball-reference's player season finder:

1. Type in 26 ppg, 12 rpg and 37% on 3s and search all of basketball history.

2. Get list of 2 names - Kevin Love... and Kevin Love.

I wish Truck was here.

 

[No. 16]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

No. 16 is one of the biggest homers we have in this thread, so I expect nothing less from him.

I'm a homer, but after years of watching a terrible team I know how good these guys are.

I'm sure you guys are just fishing, but if you're not that's fine. Bob Meyers, Jerry West, and the rest of Warriors management agree. In their short time together, they've made sound decisions.

I'm not Klay homer. I just want what's best for the Dubs and this trade isn't. If the trade was for Al Horford...I'd trade David Lee and Klay in a heartbeat. I've said before I'd trade Klay for Lance Stepehson.

Yes I'm a homer, but I'm not out here offering Lin and Asik for studs. Also, I have the 3rd best regular season team in B2F league so I feel like i have a good grasp the NBA.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

One way to use basketball-reference's player season finder:

1. Punch in Klay Thompson's statistics and search guards in 2013-14.

2. Get exclusive list of 10 names which includes Nick Young.

3. Explain why half of them aren't as good as Klay Thompson.

4. Conclude that Klay Thompson is irreplaceable.

Another way to use basketball-reference's player season finder:

1. Type in 26 ppg, 12 rpg and 37% on 3s and search all of basketball history.

2. Get list of 2 names - Kevin Love... and Kevin Love.

OH SHIT

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

No. 16 is one of the biggest homers we have in this thread, so I expect nothing less from him.

I'm a homer, but after years of watching a terrible team I know how good these guys are.

I'm sure you guys are just fishing, but if you're not that's fine. Bob Meyers, Jerry West, and the rest of Warriors management agree. In their short time together, they've made sound decisions.

I'm not Klay homer. I just want what's best for the Dubs and this trade isn't. If the trade was for Al Horford...I'd trade David Lee and Klay in a heartbeat. I've said before I'd trade Klay for Lance Stepehson.

Yes I'm a homer, but I'm not out here offering Lin and Asik for studs. Also, I have the 3rd best regular season team in B2F league so I feel like i have a good grasp the NBA.

Holy crap that's bad.

 

[Frostillicus]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

No. 16 is one of the biggest homers we have in this thread, so I expect nothing less from him.

I'm a homer, but after years of watching a terrible team I know how good these guys are.

I'm sure you guys are just fishing, but if you're not that's fine. Bob Meyers, Jerry West, and the rest of Warriors management agree. In their short time together, they've made sound decisions.

I'm not Klay homer. I just want what's best for the Dubs and this trade isn't. If the trade was for Al Horford...I'd trade David Lee and Klay in a heartbeat. I've said before I'd trade Klay for Lance Stepehson.

Yes I'm a homer, but I'm not out here offering Lin and Asik for studs. Also, I have the 3rd best regular season team in B2F league so I feel like i have a good grasp the NBA.

Horford > Love?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

No. 16 is one of the biggest homers we have in this thread, so I expect nothing less from him.

I'm a homer, but after years of watching a terrible team I know how good these guys are.

I'm sure you guys are just fishing, but if you're not that's fine. Bob Meyers, Jerry West, and the rest of Warriors management agree. In their short time together, they've made sound decisions.

I'm not Klay homer. I just want what's best for the Dubs and this trade isn't. If the trade was for Al Horford...I'd trade David Lee and Klay in a heartbeat. I've said before I'd trade Klay for Lance Stepehson.

Yes I'm a homer, but I'm not out here offering Lin and Asik for studs. Also, I have the 3rd best regular season team in B2F league so I feel like i have a good grasp the NBA.

Horford > Love?

I was wondering if I read that right.

 

[Britney Spears]

Royce Young @EyeOnBasketball 1 minute ago

Report: 76ers, Nuggets, Celtics among teams lining up to be third team in Love trade cbsprt.co/1mEDIM6

Man, Love really has rocked some awful looking beard/hair combinations.

Crap, was just thinking that looked like me.

He looks awesome and so do you, gb.

Love you.

 

[Britney Spears]

I really like Horford, but come on man.

 

[Kev4029]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

No. 16 is one of the biggest homers we have in this thread, so I expect nothing less from him.

I'm a homer, but after years of watching a terrible team I know how good these guys are.

I'm sure you guys are just fishing, but if you're not that's fine. Bob Meyers, Jerry West, and the rest of Warriors management agree. In their short time together, they've made sound decisions.

I'm not Klay homer. I just want what's best for the Dubs and this trade isn't. If the trade was for Al Horford...I'd trade David Lee and Klay in a heartbeat. I've said before I'd trade Klay for Lance Stepehson.

Yes I'm a homer, but I'm not out here offering Lin and Asik for studs. Also, I have the 3rd best regular season team in B2F league so I feel like i have a good grasp the NBA.

You're ####### awesome.

 

[Frostillicus]

Horford 67 defense

Love 30 defense

It was a run.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Klay 43rd best defensive SG in the league.

All Time ranking?

 

[No. 16]

I wouldn't say Horford is better than Love, but they're certainly in the same tier. Horford would be a better fit for the Dubs over Love. He's not a scorer, but he provides some insurance for Bogut.

 

[Frostillicus]

Klay 43rd best defensive SG in the league.

All Time ranking?

2013-2014, but I'm realizing there are a bunch of multiples in there. Still like 30th. Tops.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Isn't Horford injured 60% of the time?

 

[Frostillicus]

I wouldn't say Horford is better than Love, but they're certainly in the same tier. Horford would be a better fit for the Dubs over Love. He's not a scorer, but he provides some insurance for Bogut.

I wouldn't say Horford is better than Love either, so we're in agreeance.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

So Klay is the worst starting SG in the league on defense?

 

[Frostillicus]

Jon Horford averaged just 2.9 pts and 2.9 rebs per game in his college career for Michigan before transferring to Florida for this year, abandoning his teammates at Michigan. Seems like a character flaw in the family. Sorry. drunk.

 

[Frostillicus]

So Klay is the worst starting SG in the league on defense?

I was told there would be no math.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Isn't Horford injured 60% of the time?

He's rolling, just go with it.

 

[Kev4029]

Thompson is very replaceable on both ends of the court, and with Iguodala, they don't really even need a second lock down defender starting. Kevin Martin would be a better offensive player than Klay, and they could pick up somebody like Aminu of the trash heap to give them a better defensive player than Thompson. They would have to be choosier with matchups, but the combo of somebody like Martin and Aminu (or even Green who is already on the roster) gives them 80% of what Thompson brings, while Love is twice the player Lee is. Its ridiculous that Thompson would hold up a Love trade from GSW's end.

 

[No. 16]

Thompson is very replaceable on both ends of the court, and with Iguodala, they don't really even need a second lock down defender starting. Kevin Martin would be a better offensive player than Klay, and they could pick up somebody like Aminu of the trash heap to give them a better defensive player than Thompson. They would have to be choosier with matchups, but the combo of somebody like Martin and Aminu (or even Green who is already on the roster) gives them 80% of what Thompson brings, while Love is twice the player Lee is. Its ridiculous that Thompson would hold up a Love trade from GSW's end.

Ok. Now you're just trolling me. I'm done.

You guys can get back to the Wiggins watch.

 

[No. 16]

Isn't Horford injured 60% of the time?

He's rolling, just go with it.

Same with Love.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

How would Love, Noah and Gasol exist on the court at the same time?

 

[No. 16]

How would Love, Noah and Gasol exist on the court at the same time?

Gasol off the bench. 3 big rotation.

 

[No. 16]

One way to use basketball-reference's player season finder:

1. Punch in Klay Thompson's statistics and search guards in 2013-14.

2. Get exclusive list of 10 names which includes Nick Young.

3. Explain why half of them aren't as good as Klay Thompson.

4. Conclude that Klay Thompson is irreplaceable.

Another way to use basketball-reference's player season finder:

1. Type in 26 ppg, 12 rpg and 37% on 3s and search all of basketball history.

2. Get list of 2 names - Kevin Love... and Kevin Love.

No one is arguing Klay is better than Love.

Is the upgrade from David Lee worth Klay + is the real decision.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Jesus Christ, 16.

I think this excellent column from the excellent Zach Lowe pretty much captures my feelings: http://grantland.com/features/kevin-love-klay-thompson-golden-state-warriors/

To add a couple of points, THE WOLVES WERE A TOP 5 OFFENSE WITH LOVE LAST YEAR. Can you imagine what would happen with Curry? Iguodala? Bogut? Amazing offenses are predicated on passing. The Spurs proved this. GSW would have a very good shot at the #1 offense next year if they had Love. You gotta make that deal. You get rid of an overpaid David Lee and an about-to-be-overpaid Thompson for a probably underpaid Love (on a max), that's pretty good. Any time you get a max guy who should be making more but for the max (Lebron, etc. etc.), that's a really good thing.

Thompson was a ball-stopper last year. He slowed things down. He shot well, but he also gummed up the works.

Obviously you haggle as hard as possible on the secondaries (draft picks, Kevin Martin, "Hey, you want Harrison Barnes instead of Draymond Green?"), but GS is delusional if they don't do this. This deal makes them better, and they need to get better to hope to get out of the West.

Everyone loved Mark Jackson too. It's a business. The locker room will be fine.

 

[Paulymaggs]

Before this whole Klay for Love nonsense was anyone ever saying how good Klay is at defense? I recall him being an OK defender but GS fans are making him out to be like some wildebeest out there on the defensive end.

No. 16 is one of the biggest homers we have in this thread, so I expect nothing less from him.

I'm a homer, but after years of watching a terrible team I know how good these guys are.

I'm sure you guys are just fishing, but if you're not that's fine. Bob Meyers, Jerry West, and the rest of Warriors management agree. In their short time together, they've made sound decisions.

I'm not Klay homer. I just want what's best for the Dubs and this trade isn't. If the trade was for Al Horford...I'd trade David Lee and Klay in a heartbeat. I've said before I'd trade Klay for Lance Stepehson.

Yes I'm a homer, but I'm not out here offering Lin and Asik for studs. Also, I have the 3rd best regular season team in B2F league so I feel like i have a good grasp the NBA.

You're ####### awesome.

The guy is a living joke even without that thread about his g/f boning the gym teacher from SoCal.