Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
This was exactly my feeling. I'd be on the fence in a normal league but felt I had to do it with our structure/rules.
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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (4 Viewers)
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
That looks like not that great a move if no salary. But with harvin at like 13% of the salary, I think it makes it look pretty god. Plus Foles has more value in a 14 team league.
I say good move, and made even better since you have good WRs
JohnnyU
Footballguy
- Team A gave up Johnson, Damaris PHI WR; Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.03;Year 2014 Draft Pick 1.06; Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A
Team B gave up Charles, Jamaal KCC RB
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Thats a decent return for Charles if rebuilding.
The 2015 1st belongs to the team getting Charles though.
I dont like the deal if Team be can compete now though
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Team A can compete this year and was a bit unlucky with injuries last year. He has Rodgers, Doug Martin, Victor Cruz, Fitz, Randall Cobb, Jimmy Graham, and the 1.01 (Watkins).
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I meant Team B. If team B can compete then I dont like the deal for him giving up Charles.
But if Team B is rebuilding, then picks 3/6 and another future 1st is good. Although it is sure to be a LATE 2015 1st if that already good team is adding charles
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Also gotta wonder why the team dealing away Charles didnt get pick 1 in that deal
One More Rep
Footballguy
1.3 for meProtocols of Stringer Bell said:
JohnnyU
Footballguy
JoshuaJon
Footballguy
Or it screams we'll pay you if you can stay on the field. Which is the only concern in my mind on his production in Cle the next two years. But I have that concern with every player, and don't put too much stock in past injuries.bengalbuck said:
The guy has proven he can produce when on the field. Even if they take an RB in the draft this year, none ate head and shoulders above Tate's talent level.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I think if it came down to it and I was a very good team and a top rb would make me a ton better, I would have zero problem dealing pick 1 for Charles.
Not sure how much more, bit probably when a bit more.
Picks 3,6, and a future 1st I would think carry more value than pick 1 this year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And being a browns fan, I can not see them taking a rb early at all. Maybe in the 4th
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You would be wrong, because I'm the one who dealt for Charles and the 1.1 would have been a deal breaker for me. I had plenty of ammunition for Charles that didn't include the 1.1 and feel as if giving up 3 1st rd picks was plenty fair, as has been stated in this thread already. I felt as if I could win with or without Charles if I didn't have the type of injuries I had last year.
JoshuaJon
Footballguy
A little wishing, sure.duaneok66 said:
But I believe that the defficiency between Keenen/Tate and Dez/Shady can be made up by Sammy, Jones, and what we develop by adding the 2.5 pick.
We "may" suffer in year 1 and 2, but the idea is we are much better years 3-10. All wishing on Sammy, of course. But a pretty safe guy to wish on.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I like the deal for you that you made to get Charles. If the 2015 1st was projected to be high it would change things, but if it is your own 2015 1st then it SHOULD be in the 8-12 range.
And for you specifically, I can see pick 1 being a deal breaker for YOU because you are very high on Watkins, so i can see that.
That, and you had more than enough ammo to get charles and keep that pick.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Assumign watkins isnt that good of a play THIS year, I can see Mccoy 100 points over Tate, and Dez 50 points over Allen (just my projections) which would hurt your team a lot THIS year and make ours a lot better THIS year.
As for 2015, anyones ballgame there.
I like the deal for us cause we have enough to win it all now and for a couple years with this deal, plus we are young enough with some of our key pieces that it isnt a total future killer.
You had the option to take either our 2015 1st, or Marvin and pick 17 this year.
I know pick 17 and Marvin is PROBABLY more value than our 2015 1st, but I am glad we got to keep that pick. Insurance in case we get the severe injury bug of Staph proportions.
And we weren't dealing pick 1 unless a stud was involved anyway.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I can see that on your end.
On my end I am glad to keep the future 1st just for insurance. 3-4 major injuries and another prison sentence like last year and we miss the playoffs again
ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC
Pick 25
pick 34
Chicago D
for
Seattle D
a 5th, 6th, and 7th rounder
Pick 25
pick 34
Chicago D
for
Seattle D
a 5th, 6th, and 7th rounder
r0llin_game
Footballguy
A couple of smaller deals I've done since
Gave: 3.09 (Turned into Marlon Grice)
Received: 4.03, '15 3rd (probably middle)
Gave: Geno Smith
Received: 4.12, '15 3rd (probably late)
Only other deal done during the draft was:
Team A gives: Philip Rivers
Team B gives: Riley Cooper, Greg Jennings
bostonfred
Footballguy
This justin hunter trade, like most justin hunter trades, makes no sense to me whatsoever.
This seems like a lot for a D, especially with the extra juice in the rookie drafts due to only being able to keep 14 position players.
That said, it is quite possible Seattle's D outperforms 2 3rd rounders that might be cut by week 5 anyway.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Evil G
Footballguy
I gotta agree...people are trading for Hunter like he's already done it.
The 1.04 gets you a high-end starter, what, 8 times out of ten, across a three year span, post-pick....?
Even if the 2015 2nd is the 2.01, I'll take the 2014 1.04 by a wide margin.
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One More Rep
Footballguy
I had decided to rebuild via picks in this league, but the lure of Charles was too much for me. I missed out on this deal above which I had an offer of less on the table to accept, but Johnny had his go through -- Maclin, Dwayne Allen, 2014 1.09, another owners 2015 1st (mid pack) and my own 2015 1st (if getting Charles, then may have been high). Owner definitely got the better deal in his, but I probably shouldn't have hesitated so much.
Since not getting this deal I decided to go another path below ....
One More Rep
Footballguy
I actually think due to the FFPC off-season rosters it's gives extra value for D's and K's since you have to keep one of each and relative to your roster size they make up a larger chunk of your team than in most leagues.
So I can see some reasoning behind it but I'd still probably not do that trade this year mainly because at this point I have 31 incoming rookies I'd grade out as fantsy second round draft picks and we'll see some veterans picked inside those 31. So while on paper those are third round picks to me they carry the same value as what I'd put a middle second and late second rounder in most years. That being said middle and late second rounders most years have low percentages of sticking on the roster so again I can see reasons for making this trade.
cstu
Footballguy
You should feel lucky the Charles trade didn't go through since Julio is worth that by himself.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Spin
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Seattle D scored a decent amount more points than all the other non top 3-4 defenses. I dont have the exact numbers but it was probably like 30-40 points more than what we would have had, if not 50 points.
That is a VERY large discrepency. Thats like having Julius Thomas scoring 240 instead of having Delanie walker who scores like 190.
Of course, they could easily regress and score like 140 this year instead of the 200 they scored last year..........but you can just as easily draft a dud at pick 25.
I like the move for us given our roster is definitely set up to win now and for the next few years.
Also, in a startup I am pretty confident Seattle D goes a few rounds or more ahead of wherever that 25th pick in this draft will go.
I agree with you that the top D and K are underrated a bit. I can understand taking the picks side also this year, but when you are set up to make a run at a BYE for a couple years, and you have a weakness at D, getting the best D for a couple 3rds (while getting a few later picks back which have provided value for us several times in the past) was an easy decision for me.
If you have to keep a D/K trading late picks for the top one(s) isn't a bad idea imo
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Pick 25 could easily be a good player, but Seattle IS a good defense and will have a nife positive impact over the bad D we woulda used.
Dez
Footballguy
No one knows what pick 25 could have been might have been the next Keenan Allen or the next guy that wastes a roster spot until you cut him or might have been a guy who you keep for 4 weeks does nothing you cut him and he becomes the next Zac Stacy as it happened to me last year.
What I do know is Seattle DF is likely to be pretty good and I don't have to worry about what DF to play each week just plug and play and forget.
Without a taxi squad any pick you take sits on your 20 man roster is in danger of getting cut or is a potential albatross for your roster.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Here was another fun one in my 12 team dynasty. Large rosters (up to 35) and up to 30 man taxi squad where players can be kept up to 3 years. SAlary cap.
2015 1st (looks like a pretty good bet to be a playoff team)
for these picks this year:
36
37
38
39
40
44
45
47
48
2015 1st (looks like a pretty good bet to be a playoff team)
for these picks this year:
36
37
38
39
40
44
45
47
48
