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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
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FUBAR
Footballguy
I could almost understand this if Romo were a younger but equally valued QB.
Other than Knile - MAYBE, he didn't get much to show for Brees.
Pretty much a no brainer to take Brees for this package.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Palmer for Robinson are essentially window dressing for me; that's basically Latimer for a future 1st. Going to depend a lot on the future first. If it's late, that's a strong deal for the Latimer side. If it's mid, that's probably a wash or a small loss. If it's high, then the Latimer side just lost his shirt.
Unless I was stacked and confident the pick would be late, I wouldn't take that gamble.
adrenaline
Footballguy
PPR Dynasty
Traded Andre Williams for Terrance West
Traded Andre Williams for Terrance West
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 Team ppr QB/ 2RB / 3WR / TE/ FL
- Team A gave up Brown, Donald SDC RB;
- Mathews, Ryan SDC RB;
- Thomas, Pierre NOS RB;
- Cooper, Riley PHI WR;
- Miller, Heath PIT TE;
- Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team C (3.01-3.04);
- Year 2015 Round 5 Draft Pick from Tam A
- Team B gave up
- Pierce, Bernard BAL RB;
- Taliaferro, Lorenzo BAL RB;
- Holmes, Santonio FA WR;
- Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE;
- Year 2015 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B (mid to late)
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Oof
I wouldn't trade Gronk by himself for all of that, never mind including Pierce and a 1st.
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Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Vetoable and I never say that. Take Gronk out of it and I still favor the side getting Pierce and the 1st.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I was on the side getting Gronk and I can assure you the other side is a very knowledgeable/successful owner and there was no collusion.
While I'm happy with the trade and I can see the point some of the Gronk supporters are making, the bolded is a strange comment as Mathews was very productive last season, especially in the second half of the season. Thomas caught 77 balls last season and Sproles is now gone and Cooper had a nice rapport with Foles and is still improving.
I think maybe the other owner was a little shell shocked by all of Gronk's injuries as I know he's been actively shopping him around hard. (ETA: Plus he also owns Julius Thomas). One league member has agreed with the masses here so far, and while I thought I made out well I didn't think it was that big of a steal.
In fact I pushed hard for the first to make the deal worth doing for me, since making the deal leaves me with having to rotate either Pierce, Danny Woodhead, Knowshon Moreno or Jeremy Hill at RB, making me long shot for a playoff spot.
I have a pretty good team other than at RB (but thought I'd rebuild a bit based on the strength of the league's top two teams).
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
if you couldn't flex a TE, maybe it could be a decent deal without the 1st. as it is, you took him to the cleaners.
Mathews is really the only thing of value you gave up- the rest is just roster-filler in dynasty. You not only got the best player in the deal by far, but also good RB prospects and a 1st. It's really not close.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Wow... the 1st is really on the wrong side of that one. (Even if the pick was on the other side, Gronk would still be smashing and dashing.)
Adam Harstad
Moderator
See? Doesn't that just feel right?
Don't fight it, people. Go with it. Embrace it. The Gronk smashes, because smashing is what Gronks do.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Like with the Latimer trade, the risk doesn't seem commensurate with the upside for the side giving up the picks.
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renesauz
IBL Representative
IN some deeper leagues, I could see trading Gronk for all of that- but I don't see why both Pierce AND a 1st would be needed. Definate overpay. IN shallower leagues, Gronk alone would be enough.
DevilDog919
Footballguy
12 team PPR. 1 PPR - WR and 1.5 PPR - TE
Traded: Jimmy Graham and Wes Welker
Received: Julio Jones and Jordan Reed
At 1.5 PPR for TE's, Graham is the #1 scoring non-QB player in the league. Hard to refuse an opportunity to get a top 5 dynasty WR and a potential young, top scoring TE though.
Traded: Jimmy Graham and Wes Welker
Received: Julio Jones and Jordan Reed
At 1.5 PPR for TE's, Graham is the #1 scoring non-QB player in the league. Hard to refuse an opportunity to get a top 5 dynasty WR and a potential young, top scoring TE though.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
I read through this top to bottom so I was like "Ok SD backfield, PT, Cooper, Miller are all rather "blah" type guys probably just depth on a roster. Then went on to the other side and said "Ok BAL backfield a useless wr, and PFFFFTTT (spits drink out of mouth) GRONK??????, AND A 1ST???????"
kutta
Footballguy
That's pretty much exactly what I did too.
valhallan
Footballguy
doubletrouble
Footballguy
Charles
for
CJ Spiller, Michael and Pierce
PPR
NOT the leauge in my signature.
for
CJ Spiller, Michael and Pierce
PPR
NOT the leauge in my signature.
renesauz
IBL Representative
While the guy getting gronk clearly fleeced the other owner, this is simply not true. Mathews > Pierce, and Cooper > the rest of the crap obtained except the 1st. Thomas and Miller are at least serviceable while Taliafero is a fourth tier rookie prospect barely even rosterable and Holmes is worthless at this point. I would much prefer the Mathews side without Gronk.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I wish I didn't post this trade. I'm starting to feel really bad :( . He said on the chat he was happy with the deal, after one owner expressed a negative opinion about the deal. Guy is a founding member of a league that goes back about 12 years and has been in the playoffs every year except for last season, so it's not like I took advantage of a noob. Still I guess I'll bend a bit the next time we discuss a deal, as we've always been good trade partners.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
Adam Harstad
Moderator
We had a discussion about this with respect to Toby Gerhart several pages back, but I love moves that convert non-core players into future firsts.
Adam Harstad
Moderator
I wouldn't sweat it too much- the other guy was the guy who drove most of the negotiating process it seems, so it's not like you bent his arm into anything he didn't want. No sense in paying more than you're comfortable with for a guy- even a consensus stud like Gronk- just because you want to make sure the other guy gets fair market value.
I had Robert Griffin III when he was going nuts during the first half of his rookie year and one of my leaguemates approached me about buying him. I told him that I was a huge RGIII fan and really wanted to own him for his entire career, so if he wanted to get him, it would take a clear and unambiguous overpay. So the guy offered me Stafford and three 2014 firsts for Griffin and a 2013 first. By market value, I wrecked him on that trade, but he really wanted Griffin, and I really didn't want to give Griffin up. At the end of the day, we were both happy with the outcome, which is what matters. Like you say, it's not like the other guy is too dumb to know what he wants.
Yeah even without Gronk I would take Pierce and the 1st side but at least it would be close
Keeper makes this a strange deal. I guess if you pln on keeping Gordon it might work out but JT is probably better than I would expect to collect for Gordon now.
Good deal for the team selling Gordon today
Agreed on both deals
Great deal for a probable high 1st
Agreed.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Concur 100%. The guy liked the deal, you have no responsibility to make anything up for him, especially if he's an experienced and knowledgeable owner. Almost every trade every has some level of remorse, by one side or another, at some point. I don't see this as horrible as most are depicting it, and it makes me wonder how many of them have put Gronkoswki on the block to see what the market is bearing for him. Depending on the state of his roster, three of those guys are at least spot starters from day one, maybe more, and Matthews is still young enough to stay that productive. This is the kind of trade I love to make, and although I don't love the names involved, you could easily shuffle a couple to different guys in the same ADP range (Trent Richardson, Greg Jennings, Delanie Walker) to something I would accept as well.Adam Harstad said:
You owe him nothing.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Non ppr 14 team qrwwft
Dez, Blount
For
Watkins, bradford, 2015 first
Both are contenders and both have stud qbs. The team getting bradford has brees and manziel. The team giving bradford has manning but no other qb.
Dez, Blount
For
Watkins, bradford, 2015 first
Both are contenders and both have stud qbs. The team getting bradford has brees and manziel. The team giving bradford has manning but no other qb.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Am I safe in assuming that the 2015 first is likely to be late? If so, I'd take the Dez side. I don't see Sammy having upside beyond Dez's, and a late first isn't enough for me to assume the risk. Give me the proven stud in a "+" situation, especially if I'm contending.
If you're that high on Watkins--I guess you "gotta do what you gotta do".
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Thomas for me. In a more traditional dynasty format, it might be a more difficult call. But not when I get--and have to--reset outside of my top 8 every year.lfh3 said:
