Well my view is that "hanging up the phone" is not necessary and is sorta dumb to begin with, but whatever not the biggest deal in the world.Kinda richardish but could also argue Shelton shouldn't have done the initial thing.A 36-yr-old legend seriously mocking a 20-yr-old kid? What a dbag.
I disagree with most on this. Shelton has been "hanging up the phone" after wins throughout the tournament (and in other tournaments). As mentioned it was most obvious after he won the quarter. It was taunting and dooshish. Novak just sent him a message. Glad he did. Novak was cold on the handshake and didn't applaud Ben's exit. Clearly sending a message. A good one, I think.
Well the first set was, but medvedev was so just locked in in the 2nd setNot as close of a match as I thought this one would be.
so you're saying there's a chanceWell the first set was, but medvedev was so just locked in in the 2nd setNot as close of a match as I thought this one would be.
All I care about is that no one does a taunting phone celebration…so you're saying there's a chanceWell the first set was, but medvedev was so just locked in in the 2nd setNot as close of a match as I thought this one would be.
Yes pretty muchhas Med been returning Al's serve from the parking lot all match? I just turned it on (stupid Spectrum squabbling with Disney/ESPN and not showing it on tv)
has Med been returning Al's serve from the parking lot all match? I just turned it on (stupid Spectrum squabbling with Disney/ESPN and not showing it on tv)
so...It's ovah Johnny
nobody's going to be beating Alcaraz for a looooong time.
Me too. Just so he can hang up the phone.Great match - would like to see Med win Sunday.
see, it's funny because it's linking to the conversation about the match between Joker and Shelton where Joker pretended to hang up the phone. and then people talked about it. that's why it's funny.Me too. Just so he can hang up the phone.Great match - would like to see Med win Sunday.
The replies are gold. Full of uptight better than thou's with their "stay classy" type of comments.
Part of why so many people favor Fed over the others... because he's "classy" and didn't do all of that. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to who say exactly that.The replies are gold. Full of uptight better than thou's with their "stay classy" type of comments.
He didn't seem to mind. And Novak seemed to "like" the celebration (while also sending a message)Part of why so many people favor Fed over the others... because he's "classy" and didn't do all of that. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to who say exactly that.The replies are gold. Full of uptight better than thou's with their "stay classy" type of comments.
Did you see Shelton's response to being asked about Jokers phone hang up?
Johnny Mac was a "villain" for his antics but people loved (and love) him just the same. There's certainly a segment of people who loathe open celebrations for one reason or another but I feel they're likely the vocal minority. Me, I say bring it on as long as you're not showing up your opponent or being vile (like crotch grabbing next to a princess).Yep.
And the comments from your previous link... maybe it's just my mood this morning, but it was hard not to see the undercurrent of racism dripping through those equating the "NBA style celebrations" to a man of color and lacking class
I thought of Johnny Mac. I guess the difference is he was known for yelling in more of a negative way- complaining about calls mostly. I don't remember him yelling at opponents as much as judges... right?Johnny Mac was a "villain" for his antics but people loved (and love) him just the same. There's certainly a segment of people who loathe open celebrations for one reason or another but I feel they're likely the vocal minority. Me, I say bring it on as long as you're not showing up your opponent or being vile (like crotch grabbing next to a princess).Yep.
And the comments from your previous link... maybe it's just my mood this morning, but it was hard not to see the undercurrent of racism dripping through those equating the "NBA style celebrations" to a man of color and lacking class
Yeah JM would just lose it at times but it was directed at chair umps/line judges (mostly). Sometimes it seemed over the top and he definitely crossed the line more than once.I thought of Johnny Mac. I guess the difference is he was known for yelling in more of a negative way- complaining about calls mostly. I don't remember him yelling at opponents as much as judges... right?Johnny Mac was a "villain" for his antics but people loved (and love) him just the same. There's certainly a segment of people who loathe open celebrations for one reason or another but I feel they're likely the vocal minority. Me, I say bring it on as long as you're not showing up your opponent or being vile (like crotch grabbing next to a princess).Yep.
And the comments from your previous link... maybe it's just my mood this morning, but it was hard not to see the undercurrent of racism dripping through those equating the "NBA style celebrations" to a man of color and lacking class
these guys are getting criticized for celebrating their own points and wins- celebrations that were inwardly directed, not at a judge or opponent (I have more of a problem with the latter- although am all for standing up for yourself)
That's because people remember what they want to remember. Fed had his share of bad moments but since he was the biggest fan favorite there was less reason to talk about it. Fed in 2011 vs Novak about the 15-40 point at the US Open called it lucky and ripped Novak for trying the shot. 2009 US Open final vs Del Potro he was fined for swearing at the umpire. He's had other outbursts or racket breaks that if Novak does is what makes him a villain.Part of why so many people favor Fed over the others... because he's "classy" and didn't do all of that. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to who say exactly that.The replies are gold. Full of uptight better than thou's with their "stay classy" type of comments.
Did you see Shelton's response to being asked about Jokers phone hang up?
I thought of Johnny Mac. I guess the difference is he was known for yelling in more of a negative way- complaining about calls mostly. I don't remember him yelling at opponents as much as judges... right?Johnny Mac was a "villain" for his antics but people loved (and love) him just the same. There's certainly a segment of people who loathe open celebrations for one reason or another but I feel they're likely the vocal minority. Me, I say bring it on as long as you're not showing up your opponent or being vile (like crotch grabbing next to a princess).Yep.
And the comments from your previous link... maybe it's just my mood this morning, but it was hard not to see the undercurrent of racism dripping through those equating the "NBA style celebrations" to a man of color and lacking class
these guys are getting criticized for celebrating their own points and wins- celebrations that were inwardly directed, not at a judge or opponent (I have more of a problem with the latter- although am all for standing up for yourself)
Coco and Saba at 4 today.
I mentioned that Floppinha was part of Coco's 1st New Balance release- participated in the "show" and was part of a Q/A panel afterwards- which she was super excited about, but then disappointed to find that it was only the professional interveiwer asking questions (floppinha had a couple good beginner tennis questions ready). Got to meet her, get a signed tennis ball... and became a fan, wihtout ever seeing her play.
we've still hardly watched her- just followed her results.
that last round match was the most we've seen of her... and- oof. not much game, based on that. I'd heard her forehand was a weakness, but also heard she'd improved it. not based on what I saw- soft, weak top spinners to the service line and rarely deep...plus a weird, choppy slice on the forehand that also would go short more often that not. Solid backhand. Decent, but nothing earthshattering serve. her strength seems to be her mobility?
I don't see what's making her top 10, tbh. anybody know more about her game?
I've watched more of Saba- including that practice at the beginning of the open this year. Her game strikes me as champion material- big hitter, big server with more than enough touch and mobility to get to and play most every shot she needs to. her weakness, from what I've seen, is that she can switch off and fall apart... but otherwise, seems to have much more game than Coco.
Thanks!Coco and Saba at 4 today.
I mentioned that Floppinha was part of Coco's 1st New Balance release- participated in the "show" and was part of a Q/A panel afterwards- which she was super excited about, but then disappointed to find that it was only the professional interveiwer asking questions (floppinha had a couple good beginner tennis questions ready). Got to meet her, get a signed tennis ball... and became a fan, wihtout ever seeing her play.
we've still hardly watched her- just followed her results.
that last round match was the most we've seen of her... and- oof. not much game, based on that. I'd heard her forehand was a weakness, but also heard she'd improved it. not based on what I saw- soft, weak top spinners to the service line and rarely deep...plus a weird, choppy slice on the forehand that also would go short more often that not. Solid backhand. Decent, but nothing earthshattering serve. her strength seems to be her mobility?
I don't see what's making her top 10, tbh. anybody know more about her game?
I've watched more of Saba- including that practice at the beginning of the open this year. Her game strikes me as champion material- big hitter, big server with more than enough touch and mobility to get to and play most every shot she needs to. her weakness, from what I've seen, is that she can switch off and fall apart... but otherwise, seems to have much more game than Coco.
Coco's pretty fast and can get to balls a lot of women can't. She has a decent first serve and really really good 2nd serve imo...like 2nd serve is more aggressive than most every other WTA player. Also she's the only compelling American female so probably gets a bit more attention than she otherwise would, but that obviously does not impact her ranking.
Yep, she is able to get to balls most can't, keeps the ball in play with serves and returns, and makes fewer mistakes than her opponents. That recipe has led to more and more wins for her.Thanks!Coco and Saba at 4 today.
I mentioned that Floppinha was part of Coco's 1st New Balance release- participated in the "show" and was part of a Q/A panel afterwards- which she was super excited about, but then disappointed to find that it was only the professional interveiwer asking questions (floppinha had a couple good beginner tennis questions ready). Got to meet her, get a signed tennis ball... and became a fan, wihtout ever seeing her play.
we've still hardly watched her- just followed her results.
that last round match was the most we've seen of her... and- oof. not much game, based on that. I'd heard her forehand was a weakness, but also heard she'd improved it. not based on what I saw- soft, weak top spinners to the service line and rarely deep...plus a weird, choppy slice on the forehand that also would go short more often that not. Solid backhand. Decent, but nothing earthshattering serve. her strength seems to be her mobility?
I don't see what's making her top 10, tbh. anybody know more about her game?
I've watched more of Saba- including that practice at the beginning of the open this year. Her game strikes me as champion material- big hitter, big server with more than enough touch and mobility to get to and play most every shot she needs to. her weakness, from what I've seen, is that she can switch off and fall apart... but otherwise, seems to have much more game than Coco.
Coco's pretty fast and can get to balls a lot of women can't. She has a decent first serve and really really good 2nd serve imo...like 2nd serve is more aggressive than most every other WTA player. Also she's the only compelling American female so probably gets a bit more attention than she otherwise would, but that obviously does not impact her ranking.
I'll keep an eye on her 2nd serve.
Just struck me last match that it was the other woman dictating points and being the aggressor more than Coco, who just seemed to be about keeping the ball in play. I prefer that style of play (floppinha is that style, even if she lacks the experience and consistency now to make it pay off for her). Other woman hitting it deeper with better angles, taking that advantage on most points but then making unforced errors. I watched her play the previous match and she was lights out doing the same thing but without the errors. Not sure how Coco could hang with that given what I saw from Coco this last match.
I'm rooting hard for Coco against Saba, but imo the only thing keeping Saba from winning will be Saba. If she plays how I've seen her play and doesn't sink into one of her usual disaster zones, it should be straight sets for Saba.
Everyone loved the golden boy Connors though. He could do no wrong.I thought of Johnny Mac. I guess the difference is he was known for yelling in more of a negative way- complaining about calls mostly. I don't remember him yelling at opponents as much as judges... right?Johnny Mac was a "villain" for his antics but people loved (and love) him just the same. There's certainly a segment of people who loathe open celebrations for one reason or another but I feel they're likely the vocal minority. Me, I say bring it on as long as you're not showing up your opponent or being vile (like crotch grabbing next to a princess).Yep.
And the comments from your previous link... maybe it's just my mood this morning, but it was hard not to see the undercurrent of racism dripping through those equating the "NBA style celebrations" to a man of color and lacking class
these guys are getting criticized for celebrating their own points and wins- celebrations that were inwardly directed, not at a judge or opponent (I have more of a problem with the latter- although am all for standing up for yourself)
Connors was the over-celebrating D-bag imo. Mac was the complaining, screaming a-hole to the officials. What a time to be alive that was.