gethugefast1
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...or beast mode, with much tread, catching up on a downward spiral... step in young blood Rawls (end of RB roster)
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jurb26
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That's a good starting point. Everyone would tell you a month ago that CM had far more upside than Rawls...It doesn't matter how many people I name, though. CM backers will argue his upside is higher than anyone.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
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I own Michael...
I Traded away Randle & Travis Benjamin for Moncrief today in dynasty (30 ret yds per pt & .5 ppr with 29 man rosters)
Traded to a redskins fan no less... Just giving people a Guage on Randle and Michael value
I Traded away Randle & Travis Benjamin for Moncrief today in dynasty (30 ret yds per pt & .5 ppr with 29 man rosters)
Traded to a redskins fan no less... Just giving people a Guage on Randle and Michael value
Ever Present Lurker
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I think that's because many people are considering his upside to be Demarco Murray v2014. That o-line was credited with curing cancer last year, and despite a so-so start, people are expecting Michaels to replicate Murray's numbers if he hits the field. It's probably some awfully wishful thinking, but it's one hell of an upside.
Black
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Not sure if this was posted..from 3 hours ago:
From a chat from Dallas News, Bob Sturm. I don't know who he is though.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20151003-bob-sturm-christine-michael-has-upside-why-secondary-needs-to-change-looks-against-opposing-offenses.ece
From a chat from Dallas News, Bob Sturm. I don't know who he is though.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20151003-bob-sturm-christine-michael-has-upside-why-secondary-needs-to-change-looks-against-opposing-offenses.ece
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ROYALWITCHEESE
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Ever Present Lurker
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Have you read any of this thread? There are PLENTY of people in this thread who expect stud RB1 numbers if he gets a shot. I didn't say *I* believe that. However, I am interested to see what he can bring, after all of this talk.
VaTerp
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No. Some are expecting better.....
I asked this before but nobody was willing to answer......
Based on what exactly?????
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Black
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I would think reasonable expectations would be he could be the RB1 in Dallas, with Randle as a COP and Dunbar as the 3rd down RB.
It's good work, if you can get it.
You only get one year of that level of production and Murray already cashed in on his chips. It wears you down. Now He's pleading with the devil for more time.
VaTerp
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Yeah, I get that the RB1 job in Dallas has plenty of FF potential. And it looks like C-Mike will get his shot sooner rather than later.
I'm just trying to figure out what it is about him that is 115 page thread, "better than than DeMarco Murray," worthy? I just don't see it. Not saying he doesnt have that type of talent, I just havent seen it yet. So its an honest question.
I asked for highlights and analysis and the only response I got was a youtube clip I'd already seen over half of which was him rapping, showing off his gold chain, and making people miss in a half speed practice drill. I've watched some of his cutups from A&M and have been relatively unimpressed. Again, he could very well have that type of talent. He was the 3rd rated RB in the country coming out of HS.
But I would just love to see a little more analysis on why people are SO high on Michael. Could be buried somewhere in the previous 110 pages but a little more substance other than whats been on the last 30 pages or so would be great.
DropKick
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Ironically, he could have more yards than Murray THIS SEASON on his first carry tomorrow.
Milkman
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I was never a Murray fan and think he was a product of the line. I think CM is a better runner.
Ever Present Lurker
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfHyeOIlwSo&index=2&list=PLj835qEYtnHjZpWEPBYUGXOjtVc1jr3JA
Here's a draft pre-draft analysis. I'm in the "reasonable" camp with Michael. He could be useful for fantasy purposes, but he's a long way from that as it stands tonight. I'd like to see what he can do. Either way, the linked video does give you a bit on what he was good at and not so good at in college
VaTerp
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Fair enough I guess.
I'd just point out that in Murray's first game getting significant carries he went for 253 yards and 2 TDs and finished the year averaging 5.5. ypc with a Dallas O-line that was a shell of what it was in 2014. And after an injury plagued 2012 he avergaed over 5 ypc again in 2013 with a Dallas O-line that was good but not the dominant unit it was last year.
But I have been a Murray fan. I liked him a lot at OU and he won me good money last year so maybe I'm biased.
I want to believe with C-Mike but I still have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he has the type of talent you and others think he has. I guess time will tell soon enough.
VaTerp
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Thanks! I'd seen that clip as well but its a good one to look at again.
Definitely has some ability and does some things well that could translate to NFL success. Interesting that he had 12 TDs as a senior on only 88 rushes. Again, I guess time will tell once he gets his opportunity. I'm not saying he wont do well with it. Just that I havent seen nearly enough to think that he will be better than the number #RB in FF last year.
Will gladly give much respect to those who are super high on him if he comes close to reaching their expectations.
ImTheScientist
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gethugefast1
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Michael was drafted in 2nd round, Arian foster was demoted his last year at Tennessee & went undrafted, trying not to compare, but hey, you never know what could happen with opportunity, just saying
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BuzzCagney
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i bet they are five really good plays.Dr. Brew said:
Milkman
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He's obviously not a lock but one of the worst starting RB in the league the last couple of years (McFadden) is putting up numbers. The opportunity is there.
VaTerp
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So I just rewatched a bunch of his clips after some of you posted.
Maybe its my enlighted state of mind right now but you might be onto something. I think the 1st time watching them I was very underwhelmed by what he did on the 2nd level.
But watching again he does some very good things getting to and through the hole, and he runs with pretty good balance, lean, and pad level that allow him to break tackles and run through contact.
I'm convinced he's better than Randle and McFadden ( a guy I was NEVER high on as a pro prospect) based on potential alone. Once the DAL O-line comes together as everyone expects, and then if Dez and Romo come back. He sets up very nicely for the 2nd half of the season. Now mad that I dropped him on Monday in one redraft. I do have him in the subscriber contest so I can hop on the train with that.
Maybe its my enlighted state of mind right now but you might be onto something. I think the 1st time watching them I was very underwhelmed by what he did on the 2nd level.
But watching again he does some very good things getting to and through the hole, and he runs with pretty good balance, lean, and pad level that allow him to break tackles and run through contact.
I'm convinced he's better than Randle and McFadden ( a guy I was NEVER high on as a pro prospect) based on potential alone. Once the DAL O-line comes together as everyone expects, and then if Dez and Romo come back. He sets up very nicely for the 2nd half of the season. Now mad that I dropped him on Monday in one redraft. I do have him in the subscriber contest so I can hop on the train with that.
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SproutDaddy
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When and where has McFadden put up #'s in Dallas? He has 1 TD and his best game thus far he got 35 yds.
coolnerd
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this thread has always been about some fantasy player's thought that they are better "talent" scouts than NFL teams, basically, Michael has some very good physical attributes which means he flashes ability. the problem is that one team (two years straight in the superbowl) has concluded that his physical talent does not overcome questions about other aspects of being an NFL player. entertaining to a point, but certainly not worth multiple years and 111 pages of posts. the issue is one of ego (fantasy scouts) versus Michael being that much out of the norm talent. I am guilty of following and contributing to this mess myself.
ATB
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"I think Michael does play and that he could instantly get most of the carries." Who the hell is this guy? Since when does a guy go from inactive for 3 weeks to the lead back in week 4? Gotta earn trust on the field first.
I want CMike to take the baton but that above statement is asinine.
I think most NFL talent scouts are basically playing fantasy football as well. Great ones are marginally better. Too many variables to control. Make nearly as many mistakes as success stories.
devouredbychaos
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Worth dropping DMC, Vereen or Sims in a 14tm dynasty league to take a flier on him?? Surprised he got dropped.
White Lightning
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JMJ
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Michael's value is in a Randle injury. Unless Randle really craps the bed, I see him being the RB lead for the foreseeable future. However, if Randle were to miss multiple weeks in a row, I absolutely see Michael leading the backfield in carries over McFadden.
So I view Michael as the Randle handcuff the same way people currently view Kniles Davis to Jamal Charles, or James Starks to Eddie Lacy, etc.
So I view Michael as the Randle handcuff the same way people currently view Kniles Davis to Jamal Charles, or James Starks to Eddie Lacy, etc.
avoiding injuries
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Randle owner here and I dropped dmac for cm. mainly bc of this thread, even though I think cm is being highly overrated here.
Gandalf
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At this point we all either own CM or we don't. I think he is a hold of you own him at a cheap price and can afford a bench spot. That makes sense for a top prospect with talent even if they are buried on the depth chart. It's a long season and things change fast.
SaintsInDome2006
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I think at one point this was a real FBG thread, long ago, so I'm guessing this was done early, but what are the comps on his size, speed, agility? I think it's the size that really has people dew eyed because ideally he's a classic big back. It would be nice to see actual data in here. This thread has the feel of last year's Gordon thread. We know Gordon has the goods but being a football player is so much more.
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This is craziness. Anyone not producing is in jeopardy of losing their job. Randle is not producing - his stats in the Atlanta game may make fantasy people happy - but football coaches are not going to be happy with the number of plays that were wasted giving him the ball. Plus he can't run between the tackles.
There's a reason it's called fantasy and not reality football - unfortunately reality is more important than your fantasy
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SaintsInDome2006
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There's also an anti-Randle strain in here. There was a flurry if pro-McFadden feeling before Michael was traded too. It really seemed questionable who would be the starter. But if course as it happened Randle was indeed the man as earlier suspected.
Another issue: the Cowboys do not have a good enough defense. They need to be a team with great defense that runs it 35+ times a game. They are not that. Weeden plus their patchwork receiving corps makes playing keep-up nearly impossible, that wouldn't change with Michael, so even if he were to take over as predicted, what do you get? A guy that comes out on passing downs for Dunbar, which will be frequent, plus ceding time to Randle and McFadden, instead of Randle's situation which is just McFadden. The best case scenario for 2015 is owning Randle and the status quo.
Murray wasn't just about Murray becoming a great back. It was all Murray all the time. At its best the 2015 situation with Michael taking over is a muddle. Dynasty owners would have a lot to look forward to in 2015 though.
Another issue: the Cowboys do not have a good enough defense. They need to be a team with great defense that runs it 35+ times a game. They are not that. Weeden plus their patchwork receiving corps makes playing keep-up nearly impossible, that wouldn't change with Michael, so even if he were to take over as predicted, what do you get? A guy that comes out on passing downs for Dunbar, which will be frequent, plus ceding time to Randle and McFadden, instead of Randle's situation which is just McFadden. The best case scenario for 2015 is owning Randle and the status quo.
Murray wasn't just about Murray becoming a great back. It was all Murray all the time. At its best the 2015 situation with Michael taking over is a muddle. Dynasty owners would have a lot to look forward to in 2015 though.
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ImTheScientist
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coolnerd
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You have confirmed my point. You "think" that they are playing fantasy football because the best are some around 50-50. team spend millions of dollars to attempt control variables and acquire data. Real coaches and players earn and maintain jobs based on the right or wrong decisions being made. it might look fantasy football, but real lives are influenced by whether or not CMike (or player) is really a good football player. i get to make a few posts, press his name or trade or waiver wire and maybe "win" some amount of money maybe equal to a couple weeks salary.
matuski
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SameSongNDance
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I just got done watching all of his 2014 touches..I want to say the hype is justified. I decided to roster him just so I can come in here and pick a fight when I'm having a bad day.
I Am the Stig
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