biju
Footballguy
This is why you don't (in dynasty) draft for situation but talent.
(Note, I'm not saying Hyde isn't talented but rather the reasoning against situation drafting.)
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(Note, I'm not saying Hyde isn't talented but rather the reasoning against situation drafting.)
Sure, although I'm guessing most people drafted him because they think he is talented and the situation was mostly a nice bonus.
biju
Footballguy
100% agree most folks drafting him thought he would be the best RB in the draft. I guess I'm just so thoroughly in the "talent" camp I have a hard time passing up an opportunity. Sorry, carry on...
zamboni
Footballguy
I think we've seen enough instances to see that RB success is very often driven by system/opportunity, not necessarily big time talent. While I'm sure that drafted Hyde think he has very good talent, I'm sure that the situation with a fading Gore and run-based mentality was a huge factor.
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Faust
MVP
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
That's one oddly written blurb, as if coaches figure out playing time by the player's fantasy effectiveness. "Should have touched the ball based on sheer effectiveness" is a stretch for a guy that barely eeked out 4.0ypc, averaged 5.7 yards per catch, and was generally less effective than the guy in front of him. And I say that as someone that likes Hyde.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Look for 49ers' Colin Kaepernick to run more in 2015
Carlos Hyde came from a read option offense in college and drafted to play in a similar system. So I would expect Hyde to be more involved in the offense in 2015. Hyde was not as effective as Frank Gore as a rookie in yards per carry or yards per catch.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I know this is the Hyde thread. But I would love to snag Frank Gore in redraft if he goes to Indy. I think Gore would tear it up in that offense.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I've been trying to sell for a while, no takers so far. Gotta feel it out a little more today after the Gore news.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I've never been a Hyde fan, and I took him due to BPA at 1.12 and figured that was a steal. My intention was always to sell, but I am the main team in "rebuild" so he doesn't quite fit on the other rosters. I'd be thrilled with a top8 pick but I doubt I get it so my guess is I'm holding.
He's no longer a "rebuild" player so he'll fit on their rosters now. I'd be shocked if you can't get a top 8 pick
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Should be pretty easy to get a top 5 pick or some other young player of that kind of value that you like.
Hyde's dynasty ADP is going to be pretty darn high from here on our IMO.
I am not that crazy about him, but I would bet anything enough people are to put him at a 2nd-3rd round ADP.
Hyde's dynasty ADP is going to be pretty darn high from here on our IMO.
I am not that crazy about him, but I would bet anything enough people are to put him at a 2nd-3rd round ADP.
cstu
Footballguy
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Hyde owner here and I'm a little more skeptical about what else SF brings in to complement Hyde. I'm thinking they might actually bring in a mid-tier free agent or a early mid round draft pick. I could even see them double dipping in the draft.
Hyde doesn't appear to be a pass catcher so they'll need one of those.
In addition, they'll need a "primary ball carrier" backup as Hunter wouldn't fit the bill were Hyde to go down.
Plus, the offense might be more run heavy given the ineptitude of the passing game. All, the more reasons to load up on backs.
This appears to be a stronger draft class and at least average FA class.
I'm actually a little scared as an owner at what kind of competition they'll bring in as Hyde graded out as just average last year.
In short, I wouldn't be totally shocked to see him NOT be a bellcow as it might seem right now.
That, and I'm not sold on his talent and upside.
Still, he's being ranked as a Top 10 RB for dynasty. If my league allowed offseason trading, I'd take it to the bank right now (our league year opens at the draft). I don't see him as a Top 5 RB and I think he'll have other guys they bring in nipping at his heels for touches.
Hyde doesn't appear to be a pass catcher so they'll need one of those.
In addition, they'll need a "primary ball carrier" backup as Hunter wouldn't fit the bill were Hyde to go down.
Plus, the offense might be more run heavy given the ineptitude of the passing game. All, the more reasons to load up on backs.
This appears to be a stronger draft class and at least average FA class.
I'm actually a little scared as an owner at what kind of competition they'll bring in as Hyde graded out as just average last year.
In short, I wouldn't be totally shocked to see him NOT be a bellcow as it might seem right now.
That, and I'm not sold on his talent and upside.
Still, he's being ranked as a Top 10 RB for dynasty. If my league allowed offseason trading, I'd take it to the bank right now (our league year opens at the draft). I don't see him as a Top 5 RB and I think he'll have other guys they bring in nipping at his heels for touches.
Apparently I'm a huge Hyde fan(who knew, always thought I was middle of the pack) because I think he's worth way more than any of these deals. Why is Hyde worth less than Gurley or Gordon, let alone the 1.8?
Also, while it was likely a reach, Hyde went 1.2 in my draft last year.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Cautiously optimistic as everything seems to be lining up for him. We'll see if he can bring it when it counts.Faust said:
Could be on to something: http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/without-gore-49ers-can-use-three-headed-approachEnglishteacher said:
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Maybe guys who know more than me could answer this question:
Is Hyde the type of runner that'll do better being fed a lot of carries? Does he get better with more work?
Is Hyde the type of runner that'll do better being fed a lot of carries? Does he get better with more work?
I want no part of that mess. Scary stuff for Hyde owners, though, who were hoping/praying that he'd step into Gore's role.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
So in 2013 the GM said he sees the benefit in a three-headed backfield, and this is a problem now?
I think so when said GM won power struggle over Harbaugh and keeps drafting a RB every season.
amnesiac
beer is good
he sure seemed to in college.
To be worried about that quote when he was talking about different rb's is pretty silly.
Not to mention that three -headed committee never happened.
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Even if he is a bellcow (unlikely), the team is a total mess. I predict they finish last place in the division. Speaking of the division... StL, Ari, and Sea all pretty good against the run.
The 49'ers GM was discussing a scheme, not player specifics.. They never could keep the other backs healthy or ever able to land a quality third RB. But they do keep drafting RB's every year so they are trying. And while you can go ahead and think it's silly, I'll choose to listen to the 49'ers beat reporter who is there everyday and thought his comments were worth mentioning in an article at this time.
Plaid Boxer
Footballguy
Silva was all over Toby Gerhart last year as a stud to be in JAX. Not worried about his POV.
starks
Footballguy
Maybe if you are in need of a WR. But I, like a lot in the dynasty community, am stacked at WR and it's only going to get better in this upcoming draft. In which case I would not make either of those deals.
Faust
MVP
I'd take Hyde over Hopkins but i don't think even Hyde's brother would take him over A.J. Green.
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