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Charcandrick WEST - Should we be talking about this kid ? (2 Viewers)

zamboni said:
Insein said:
I'm scared. Playoff time. Who has confidence in starting him or just holding your nose and praying?
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I don't have faith that West will produce, even against San Diego - at least nowhere near the levels pre-injury.

I'm a realistic enough West owner to realize that the injury really opened the door for Ware to assume a big part of this backfield. One can point to the 2:1 ratio of snaps, but it's touches that matter despite being on the field, and Ware will also likely get the critical carries inside the 5. West could score from anywhere on the field, but I wouldn't bank on it necessarily happening.
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snaps and touches go hand in hand though - Obviously most saw Ware's emergence as at least some threat to touches for West, but I don't think one game's worth of data is enough at this point (but realize its all we got right now). I think both backs can be pretty effective against the SD defense. West should get back in he flow after another week back.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
zamboni said:
Insein said:
I'm scared. Playoff time. Who has confidence in starting him or just holding your nose and praying?
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I don't have faith that West will produce, even against San Diego - at least nowhere near the levels pre-injury.

I'm a realistic enough West owner to realize that the injury really opened the door for Ware to assume a big part of this backfield. One can point to the 2:1 ratio of snaps, but it's touches that matter despite being on the field, and Ware will also likely get the critical carries inside the 5. West could score from anywhere on the field, but I wouldn't bank on it necessarily happening.
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snaps and touches go hand in hand though - Obviously most saw Ware's emergence as at least some threat to touches for West, but I don't think one game's worth of data is enough at this point (but realize its all we got right now). I think both backs can be pretty effective against the SD defense. West should get back in he flow after another week back.
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For the most part, yes. But despite the fact that West outsnapped Ware by 2:1, the touches were virtually the same. Which probably means that West was in on most passing downs but the ball did not clearly go to him very much.

All that said, it was indeed just one game and difficult to tell what the rest of the way will be. This Sunday should be more telling.
 
zamboni said:
Insein said:
I'm scared. Playoff time. Who has confidence in starting him or just holding your nose and praying?
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I don't have faith that West will produce, even against San Diego - at least nowhere near the levels pre-injury.

I'm a realistic enough West owner to realize that the injury really opened the door for Ware to assume a big part of this backfield. One can point to the 2:1 ratio of snaps, but it's touches that matter despite being on the field, and Ware will also likely get the critical carries inside the 5. West could score from anywhere on the field, but I wouldn't bank on it necessarily happening.
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West got a carry from the Raiders 9 yard line, and he gained 6 yards. He was still in at the GL, but Alex ran it in for a TD. It will probably be unpredictable who will get the GL carries during the games.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
zamboni said:
Insein said:
I'm scared. Playoff time. Who has confidence in starting him or just holding your nose and praying?
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I don't have faith that West will produce, even against San Diego - at least nowhere near the levels pre-injury.

I'm a realistic enough West owner to realize that the injury really opened the door for Ware to assume a big part of this backfield. One can point to the 2:1 ratio of snaps, but it's touches that matter despite being on the field, and Ware will also likely get the critical carries inside the 5. West could score from anywhere on the field, but I wouldn't bank on it necessarily happening.
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snaps and touches go hand in hand though - Obviously most saw Ware's emergence as at least some threat to touches for West, but I don't think one game's worth of data is enough at this point (but realize its all we got right now). I think both backs can be pretty effective against the SD defense. West should get back in he flow after another week back.
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This is what I'm thinking. I could see West being a very good play in PPR. Going over 100 total yards with 5 or 6 receptions. I could also see Ware scoring at least one touchdown, possibly two if they get inside the red zone enough times.

 
Can't decide on Charc or Hill this week. I'm scared of both but with CJ a huge question mark I have nobody else to roll with. Flip a coin? Roll the dice? Let my daughter set my line up?

 
cowboys88 said:
Can't decide on Charc or Hill this week. I'm scared of both but with CJ a huge question mark I have nobody else to roll with. Flip a coin? Roll the dice? Let my daughter set my line up?
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Same decision here, currently going Charc as i'm still leery of Hill particularly in this matchup vs Steelers.

 
It's Charc, Ware or Blue at rb2 in a first round playoff game. Gronk is on the bench so I have to go for broke at all positions.

Charc is in.

 
thatguythere said:
Thinking about playing both of them
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I tried that last week. Coulda benched either for Latavius Murray. Couldn't decide which one. Started both based on the matchup and a gut feeling.

Woulda won if I'd started Latavius Murry over either of them.

Disclaimer: My anecdote does not have any bearing on any possible futures.

 
oddsbodkins said:
CentralPA said:
oddsbodkins said:
CentralPA said:
Have him or Woodhead to decide over in PPR. Right now leaning Woodhead.
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Same decision for me after this week. At least West is on the field so I would slightly lean West.
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Only reason I am leaning Woodhead is because they may need him more as a receiver than a RB since they pretty much have nothing else at WR.
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A month ago we simply play both...
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Agreed. Id lean West way more the Woodhead.. The Chargers simply dont use him until its too late. They may have won 3-4 more games if they didn't abandon Woodhead and force it to everyone else.

 
Topes said:
thatguythere said:
Thinking about playing both of them
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I tried that last week. Coulda benched either for Latavius Murray. Couldn't decide which one. Started both based on the matchup and a gut feeling.

Woulda won if I'd started Latavius Murry over either of them.

Disclaimer: My anecdote does not have any bearing on any possible futures.
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Was wondering the same question (about playing both of them)........but for Week 14 vs SD?

SD could get down early and could mail this one in...........and KC def is good enough to man-handle SD from moving the ball.

They both could be very active in the ground game.

 
We got clarification. Neither can be counted on, but one might hit week to week. Starting Rawls/McCoy over Sharc. If Sharc never got hurt it most likely would be him starting for one of the other two so my decision is easy now. It seems like all year the reliable guys only stay reliable for a month max. Elite RBs are becoming extinct in this game. They are usualy replaced with 2 or 3 guys so no potential elite guys are getting the opps to become elite. Sharc was one of the few until he got hurt. :no:

 
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Well, since Ingram went down I have no choice. My backs 4 weeks ago:

Lynch

Ingram

Hillman

West

Mathews

Traded Hillman to get TY Hilton. Now I've got West and either Mathews or Sproles as my 2 backs. Really?

 
JNox3 said:
Going West over Gurley. Hope the rest of my team scores a lot.
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New offensive coordinator for the Rams:

BORAS: (On if there is a hope to get RB Todd Gurley more touches even if its in the passing game)

Without a doubt. Todds a special player. We have a number of special players on offense. Todds obviously, probably the best. Between Todd and (WR) Tav (Tavon Austin), weve got special guys. Yeah, for that to happen, obviously, its got to be the type of game where we can keep handing him the ball. Hes too good a player.
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Yeah I read that too. Just don't think they can do anything different than they've been doing now. Not like Gurley just got there last week.

 
CentralPA said:
oddsbodkins said:
CentralPA said:
Have him or Woodhead to decide over in PPR. Right now leaning Woodhead.
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Same decision for me after this week. At least West is on the field so I would slightly lean West.
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Only reason I am leaning Woodhead is because they may need him more as a receiver than a RB since they pretty much have nothing else at WR.
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It's been like this for weeks for Woodhead and they're just not using him. Chargers have nothing to play for so it seems like they're running Gordon out all the time to probably get him more reps so he can improve.

 
JNox3 said:
Yeah I read that too. Just don't think they can do anything different than they've been doing now. Not like Gurley just got there last week.
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Fact he wasn't involved in the passing is a huge deal. That's the part I'm looking forward to.

 
Yeah, very disappointing. Really needed a big game and thought I'd get it against a crippled chargers team. Its just been that kinda year with running backs. Oh well.

 
I would think its impossible for either west or ware to get into any kind of rhythm. This team seemed to run better when they just went with one of them

 
So I guess Ware's injury wasn't too serious since he came back in the game?

Hate to root for injury but my team could really use one of these guys being the workhorse.

 
All 3 of KC RB ran well on a per carry basis. Alex Smith contributed 40 yards rushing on eight carries as well. I think the team ran the ball better collectively than last week. This game was very low scoring as their defense limited SD to only 3 points.

This week

C.West 36 snaps 67% 10 rushing attempts 54 yards 5.4ypc 0TD 1 target 0 receptions 54 total yards 4.9 yards per opportunity .306 opportunities per snap

S Ware 16 snaps 30% 8 rushing attempts 52 yards 6.5ypc 0TD 52 total yards 6.5 yards per opportunity .500 opportunities per snap

K.Davis 2 snaps 4% 1 rushing attempts 6 yards 6.0ypc 0TD 6 total yards 6.0 yards per opportunity .500 opportunities per snap

Last two weeks combined

C.West 70 snaps 67% 19 rushing attempts 89 yards 4.7ypc 0TD 4 targest 2 receptions 9 yards 98 total yards 4.3 yards per opportunity .329 opportunities per snap

S Ware 33 snaps 31% 15 rushing attempts 78 yards 5.2ypc 1TD 2 targets 2 receptions -1 yards 77 total yards 4.5 yards per opportunity .515 opportunities per snap

 
Can't believe anyone is voluntarily starting either of these guys... writing on the wall for a shared load has been pretty clear since West's return.

Now if you don't have any other options, it's understandable, and my condolences. :(

 
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Can't believe anyone is voluntarily starting either of these guys... writing on the wall for a shared load has been pretty clear since West's return.

Now if you don't have any other options, it's understandable, and my condolences. :(
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So if Kelce doesn't get called for a OPI and West goes for 117 and a TD are you still saying that?

3:58) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 35-C.West for 63 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-87-T.Kelce, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at KC 37 - No Play.

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
[icon] said:
Can't believe anyone is voluntarily starting either of these guys... writing on the wall for a shared load has been pretty clear since West's return.

Now if you don't have any other options, it's understandable, and my condolences. :(
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So if Kelce doesn't get called for a OPI and West goes for 117 and a TD are you still saying that?

3:58) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 35-C.West for 63 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-87-T.Kelce, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at KC 37 - No Play.
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Depends if Kelce's hold helped develop the TD. I didn't see the play, so can't opine on it.

 
zamboni said:
Kitrick Taylor said:
[icon] said:
Can't believe anyone is voluntarily starting either of these guys... writing on the wall for a shared load has been pretty clear since West's return.

Now if you don't have any other options, it's understandable, and my condolences. :(
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So if Kelce doesn't get called for a OPI and West goes for 117 and a TD are you still saying that?

3:58) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 35-C.West for 63 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-87-T.Kelce, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at KC 37 - No Play.
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Depends if Kelce's hold helped develop the TD. I didn't see the play, so can't opine on it.
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no it didnt

 
Kitrick Taylor said:
[icon] said:
Can't believe anyone is voluntarily starting either of these guys... writing on the wall for a shared load has been pretty clear since West's return.

Now if you don't have any other options, it's understandable, and my condolences. :(
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So if Kelce doesn't get called for a OPI and West goes for 117 and a TD are you still saying that?

3:58) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 35-C.West for 63 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-87-T.Kelce, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at KC 37 - No Play.
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If my aunt had a rooster she'd be my uncle. :lol: Let's put away our magical "What if" glasses and put it this way...

Did you have the confidence to voluntarily start him last week? Do you have the confidence to voluntarily start him this week?

I didn't think so.

 
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[icon] said:
Kitrick Taylor said:
[icon] said:
Can't believe anyone is voluntarily starting either of these guys... writing on the wall for a shared load has been pretty clear since West's return.

Now if you don't have any other options, it's understandable, and my condolences. :(
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So if Kelce doesn't get called for a OPI and West goes for 117 and a TD are you still saying that? 3:58) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 35-C.West for 63 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-87-T.Kelce, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at KC 37 - No Play.
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If my aunt had a rooster she'd be my uncle. :lol: Let's put away our magical "What if" glasses and put it this way...

Did you have the confidence to voluntarily start him last week? Do you have the confidence to voluntarily start him this week?

I didn't think so.
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I started West in week 14, and I will again in week 15.

Hindsight is easy, but I don't share your opinion on this one.

 
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports X-rays were negative on Spencer Ware's injured ribs, but he's "bruised, swollen, and in pain."
Ware took a shot to the ribs on his seventh carry in Sunday's win over the Chargers. He returned to the game for one more carry, but had to bow out again. It sounds like Ware may be truly questionable for Week 15 against the Ravens, which would be great news for Charcandrick West owner
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Too bad KC plays BAL.

 
SameSongNDance said:
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports X-rays were negative on Spencer Ware's injured ribs, but he's "bruised, swollen, and in pain."

Ware took a shot to the ribs on his seventh carry in Sunday's win over the Chargers. He returned to the game for one more carry, but had to bow out again. It sounds like Ware may be truly questionable for Week 15 against the Ravens, which would be great news for Charcandrick West owner
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Too bad KC plays BAL.
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So what. Rawles had 44 on 6 carries. He will get his by volume alone.

 
Kwai Chang Caine said:
SameSongNDance said:
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports X-rays were negative on Spencer Ware's injured ribs, but he's "bruised, swollen, and in pain."

Ware took a shot to the ribs on his seventh carry in Sunday's win over the Chargers. He returned to the game for one more carry, but had to bow out again. It sounds like Ware may be truly questionable for Week 15 against the Ravens, which would be great news for Charcandrick West owner
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Too bad KC plays BAL.
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So what. Rawles had 44 on 6 carries. He will get his by volume alone.
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I'd almost certainly start West if Ware sat regardless but I also obviously wish he had a better match-up for the playoffs.

 
LittlePhatty said:
[icon] said:
Kitrick Taylor said:
[icon] said:
Can't believe anyone is voluntarily starting either of these guys... writing on the wall for a shared load has been pretty clear since West's return.

Now if you don't have any other options, it's understandable, and my condolences. :(
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So if Kelce doesn't get called for a OPI and West goes for 117 and a TD are you still saying that? 3:58) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 35-C.West for 63 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-87-T.Kelce, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at KC 37 - No Play.
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If my aunt had a rooster she'd be my uncle. :lol: Let's put away our magical "What if" glasses and put it this way...Did you have the confidence to voluntarily start him last week? Do you have the confidence to voluntarily start him this week?

I didn't think so.
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I started West in week 14, and I will again in week 15.Hindsight is easy, but I don't share your opinion on this one.
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It's not hindsight when since he came back I (and many others here) have been saying theyre not worth a start until one of them is hurt. And you can not share our opinion on this, but we've been right.... He's put up RB3 or RB4 numbers since coming back. IF You're winning, it's in spite of him.... And you're nuts for putting him out there.

Now, if Ware is out, then common sense dictates west is startable again.

 
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[icon] said:
LittlePhatty said:
[icon] said:
Kitrick Taylor said:
[icon] said:
Can't believe anyone is voluntarily starting either of these guys... writing on the wall for a shared load has been pretty clear since West's return.

Now if you don't have any other options, it's understandable, and my condolences. :(
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So if Kelce doesn't get called for a OPI and West goes for 117 and a TD are you still saying that? 3:58) (Shotgun) 11-A.Smith pass short right to 35-C.West for 63 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on KC-87-T.Kelce, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at KC 37 - No Play.
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If my aunt had a rooster she'd be my uncle. :lol: Let's put away our magical "What if" glasses and put it this way...Did you have the confidence to voluntarily start him last week? Do you have the confidence to voluntarily start him this week?

I didn't think so.
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I started West in week 14, and I will again in week 15.Hindsight is easy, but I don't share your opinion on this one.
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It's not hindsight when since he came back I (and many others here) have been saying theyre not worth a start until one of them is hurt.And you can not share our opinion on this, but we've been right.... He's put up RB3 or RB4 numbers since coming back. IF You're winning, it's in spite of him.... And you're nuts for putting him out there.

Now, if Ware is out, then common sense dictates west is startable again.
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i don't want to, but I have to agree. I won in spite of him last week. He has become a slightly more reliable Duke Johnson since his return. Ware/West just cannibalize each other too much. Even though West doubled Ware's snap count (36 - 16), the 10 resulting carries is not enough of a workload for me to gamble on him. I'm hopeful that Ware's ribs are too sore for him this week and it's an easy decision then. But unless I can be sure that West is going to get close to 20 touches, I'm reluctantly going to play either Shoelace this week or maybe even Bryce Brown depending on word out of Seattle later this week.

 
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