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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (5 Viewers)
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KarmaPolice
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Lets not get carried away now.
I will believe it when I see it, but if there are ever more books I will probably be reading on day 1
I’m not as interested as I once was, for sure, but I’ll definitely pre order the next one and read it right away. The books left off in a much different place IIRC than the show ever was.
beer 30
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NoneAAABatteries said:
Kinda there. If, and to me it's a huge if, but if home boy finishes them before he keels over I'll probably pick them up at some point but a couple 1000 pagers is not really going to the top of my reading list any time soon.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I do think that the show getting ahead of him really hurt his creative juices and writing style.
need2know
Footballguy
Figured I would wait the same amount of time to read his new book when it comes out as he has made us wait. So 9 years and counting....
So here we are another 2.5 years later since the last post and GRRM posted recently on his blog that he is STILL working on Winds of Winter. No doubt with the new HBO show about to drop in a few weeks he felt the need to pontificate on how the book will be different from Game of Thrones the show and keep stringing us readers along.
Desert_Power
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
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I think that Winter is coming (eventually), but the real question is whether A Dream of Spring ever even gets started (and whether the story truly can end in only one additional volume).
beer 30
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
If he kicked it tomorrow they could release a massive Winds next week IMO.
Dream is a whole other thing though. Someone else is going to finish that one I think.
beer 30
Footballguy
According to him, Winter is done or pretty close, just needs polished up. I agree that we'll never see A Dream of Spring unless someone else finishes it.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
He's already released 11 chapters (either in text or read at conferences). No idea if any of them have changed since they became public a billion years ago.
Yeah, he said in the recent blog post he stopped doing it because if he had kept it up by now he would have released half the book. Not surprising, it's been 11 freaking years since Dance came out.
He said in his most recent blog post that he has been home for the entirety of COVID since March of '20 except for one weekend. So that is a lot of free time to write...
Drunken Cowboy
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I think there is plenty of evidence that he wasn't really working on Winds for years. I think he is back to working, but at his typical slow pace. However that does put him likely near done with Winds. I think he will write faster as he approaches the end as I think the end is mostly planned. His struggle is getting there in a way that makes sense. I am concerned though that he could need another book.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I'm hopeful. HBO is going to really try hard on it and I'm looking forward to seeing Matt Smith in his role.
I think so too, D&D aren't involved so hopefully the first thing HBO realized was they need to get good writers in after all the backlash on the final seasons.
Supposedly Kit Harrington met with GRRM with his idea for the new Jon Snow sequel to hammer out details and run things by him first for the story. It was also reported that he and HBO brought in their own writers for the show as well.
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Gr00vus
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Any idea what the concept for that show is? White walkers are gone, wildlings are gone/resettled - what's he going to be striving against/for. Is this going to be some kind of Grizzly Adams reboot or something?
massraider
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No details really at all yet as far as what the plot could be. Biggest question will definitely be as you said what the central conflict would be about with so much tied up in the show.
Martin’s books hinted at magic and other things beyond the wall other than White Walkers, including a few plot threads that we don’t know if he planned to do more with in the future books that he still hasn’t finished. They also cut a bunch of the Wildling plot from the books out including one particular character that could be pretty relevant. Plus we barely ever got to see Ghost, so hopefully we get lots of him kicking ### in a future show.
encaitar
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I'm amazed at the different processes for writers. Brandon Sanderson wrote 5 ADDITIONAL books in the last two years because of extra writing time due to COVID, while also finishing his previously expected work. This guy and Rothfuss can't even get a sequel done that's been 10+ years in the waiting.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
As far as canon timeline goes, where does the Dance of Dragons fall? I am curious whether this show can serve other Targ storylines as well for future seasons. Like when does Dunc and Egg take place? Blackfire Rebellion? Other stuff?
beer 30
Footballguy
Interesting interview with GRRM I came across this weekend discussing the end of the series and how it will differ from the shows ending.
GRRM on ending of books
GRRM on ending of books
Capella
Footballguy
All of it makes sense to me. As I said in the other thread, if he finishes those two books I would be shocked if HBO doesn’t make a series out of them 10-15 years from now. Not just to ‘re-do’ the final season (I don’t think they care about that), but because it would be immensely profitable. They aren’t going to leave anything this guy wrote off the screen. They could just re-cast what they need to and call it “The Martin Version” or whatever.
Leeroy Jenkins
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I don't see it ending too differently. Dany will go mad at some point. Bran sits the throne. But I think we get there in a way where it actually makes sense. There is no Night King in the books, so I think the White Walker story ends very differently though -- hopefully with Jon Snow actually mattering.
beer 30
Footballguy
Yea I agree. I don't have a problem with Dany going down the road she did, it's how she got there that didn't sit right. In a book form he obviously has all the time he needs to develop it correctly so that it makes sense. And yes, the White Walkers HAVE to have a bigger presence to the ending than what the show did. It's the underlying story for the whole ****ing series and *poof* they're gone.
I may yet revise my opinion of Mr. Martin if he saves the series was the ending we all want but he still has to finish the damn books.
Capella
Footballguy
Apparently he has a huge part in house of dragons so at least he is staying busy doing good work. From what I read he was also very frustrated with how GoT ended so he is very hands on with dragons.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Exactly. You can see he's already setting it up in various places in the books that the show skipped right over too. So it'll be much more in-character and earned.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Been doing a full rewatch (because of House), just started season 4 (just got through the bring me the chickens scene). It really was one of the, if not the, best t.v. shows ever through this part of the series. Everything is uniformly genius. The only quibble through the early/mid seasons is the dragon CGI, doesn't always work. It really deserves a do over for the last couple of seasons.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Love that scene.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
It is a fantastic scene. What blows me away, watching in binge mode rather than weekly episode mode, is how many fantastic scenes there are. Hardly any are a waste, you go from one great scene to another. Also what blows me away is how many character arcs are advanced over the course of the early/mid seasons. For instance, somehow the Hound ends up as a sympathetic character that you kind of root for. And he's not one of the top tier characters even. Stuff like that is one of the aspects that made the show great, that was really lost over the last 2 seasons when everything went to outline mode.
rodg12
Footballguy
They did everyone a disservice rushing to end it. Complete bollocks.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Martin loves his good-bad-good-bad characters that live in a moral gray area. More of that can be expected in the HoTD.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
something I saw on reddit - Rank these fathers from worst to least terrible
left to right:
Stannis B. - Tywin Lanister - Roose Bolton
Corlys Valaryon - Viserys Targ - Otto Hightower
Randall Tarly - Balon Greyjoy - Craster
left to right:
Stannis B. - Tywin Lanister - Roose Bolton
Corlys Valaryon - Viserys Targ - Otto Hightower
Randall Tarly - Balon Greyjoy - Craster
wlwiles
Footballguy
Otto Hightower is least worst so far. All he's done is offer his daughter to the king.
Corlys is basically the same, but his daughter is a bit younger.
I could see someone argue Craster or Tywin as worst and it's a fair argument, but for me the worst father is Stannis. What he did to Shareen instantly made me wish for him a grisly death.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Surprised his thread is still going. How's the new show?
E Street Brat
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Continuing the rewatch, a crack appears in season 4, the scene where Asha/Yara tries to rescue Theon from Ramsay. It's stupid throughout, and I think is one of the earliest instances of writing completely distinct from Martin's own. Things go steadily down hill season to season from here as more and more scenes and episodes are the product of other writers. I'm in season 7 now, and it's terrible writing (season 6 was pretty bad too). The production quality is still there, better than ever really, and the spectacle is also better than ever. But the writing is atrocious. It's average to bad fanfic writing, at every level. This is not to saint Martin as perfect or anything - the last 2 books really aren't up to the level of the ones that came before in several ways - but the quality of this story really was dependent on his completed work. It's a shame. I hope he somehow finishes it off and they take up @Capella's idea of redoing/rebooting the last 3 seasons.
Arya with the Hound was one of the best story arcs in the entire show.
