T Bell
Footballguy
One thing to keep in mind is that Cameron is from the Coryell-Zampese-Gibbs offensive system (Turner, Saunders and Martz are also from that one, as is Whisenhunt, though I'm less sure about that). This system was known for minimizing the responsibility of the QB to make reads as much as possible, unlike Walsh's WCO which emphasized those responsibilities all the more. This had a consequence of empowering some relatively modestly talented QB's and if not making them stars at least enabling them to make enough plays for their teams to win. Joe Gibbs probably carried that concept to its most significant conclusion by winning 3 Super Bowls with 3 different and frankly modestly talented QB's in Theismann, Williams and Rypien, two of whom were the Super Bowl MVP's. Dennis Green also enjoyed some success with that system in Minnesota with modestly talented QB's, including Sean Salisbury, a younger Rich Gannon and an aging Jim McMahon. Essentially the QB's cardinal rules were to, more or less in order, avoid INT's and sacks, have a strong arm and be accurate throwing deep, excel at play-action, and make enough shorter and intermediate throws to convert third downs and take pressure off of the running game. This sounds like a pretty good description of the Baltimore offense this season. Historically this system has not produced QB1's in fantasy, but it does tend to produce unlikely players who consistently put up solid fantasy numbers if they continue to develop and if they have a good enough supporting cast around them. I don't bring this up to criticize Cameron or Flacco - in fact the brilliance of a system that empowers a greater number of people at one of the most important positions and toughest positions to fill in this sport is probably underappreciated. I'm just establishing a context here that helps to explain what we've seen. Drew Bledsoe, who always seemed to end up in his prime as the QB5-QB10 or so, is probably a pretty good model for Joe Flacco's ceiling in this system.
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Exactly how I feel about him.
Cue the 2007 excuse mongers in 3...2...1...
how you like them apples!
Manning team sucked when he was a rookie, Joe's does not. Faulk was Manning's leading receiver! Manning had 26 tds and was always playing from behind. Joe sucks and you know it! Another Trent Edwards all over again....
actually, the opposite of that.What are you talking about?
Manning team sucked when he was a rookie, Joe's does not. Faulk was Manning's leading receiver! Manning had 26 tds and was always playing from behind. Joe sucks and you know it! Another Trent Edwards all over again....
I agree w/ this but people are trying to insinuate he will be the next Peyton Manning.....
I agree w/ this but people are trying to insinuate he will be the next Peyton Manning.....
So what if Marshall Faulk, one of the best RBs in the past decade and one of the best receiving RBs ever, was his leading receiver on the year? Marvin had more yards per game, but missed 4 games. Do you dispute1. Marvin and Marshall are better skill position players than anyone on Baltmore's offense2. Peyton's completion % < Joe's3. Peyton's QB rating < Joe's4. Peyton's TD/INT ratio < Joe'sThe fact is, Flacco is doing a great job running the offense and doing what his coach wants. In no way does he "kind of suck".
