Chaka
Footballguy
Apparently 20.
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QB Joe Flacco, IND (3 Viewers)
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I think you're confusing me with someone else -- I don't remember writing the bolded.I think the Ravens fans here are very thin skinned, and I don't know why. You wrote the exact same thing I did, yet you take great offense to my comments. He's been average to below average as a passer. But he's a rookie, and will probably be very good down the road.
I think I'm going to get out of this thread as the Ravens fans don't seem to be capable of rationally reading my comments. Best of luck in the rest of the postseason.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Sorry - I attributed that quote to you when it was Whiplash who wrote that.However, you DID make the comment about people wanting to "crown" Flacco.
And I'm not thin-skinned at all, the only thing I called you out on (well, the only thing I correctly called you out on
) was your "crown" comment. I haven't seen anyone here doing that. You're the one who seems defensive about this, jumping at shadows when there's nothing there.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
How many?
nightmare
Footballguy
Teams that would want Joe Flacco.
Jets-if Brett is gone
Bills- Edwards isn't doing that much more vs the rookie
Browns- New coach with some QB problems, start fresh
Bengals- IF C Palmer is done. Anybody going to argue Fitzpatrick is better?
Chiefs- Yes Thigpen is putting up fantasy numbers BUT is he better NFL wise?
Raiders- Flacco's better in the pocket- who has the better deep ball?
Titans- a ROOKIE doing the exact same thing as the 34 year old. Fisher would love this guy.
Redskins- Zorn has put a LOT of work into J Campbell. this one is ?? But worth mentioning.
Seahawks-I'm not saying a new coach would automatically want Hasselbeck gone.
I'm just saying he has that option.
49ers-Shaun Hill? really?
Rams- Just throwing this one out.
Vikings- T Jackson is getting better but how much? how fast?
Lions- Flacco would get killed just like any other QB but he wouldn't be MR turnover.
Bears- Better arm then Orton, manages the game better.
Panthers- 6 int's when the pressure is on. Delhomme is fading.
That's 15 teams. Panthers, Rams, Redskins are highly questionable calls
That would leave 20 qb's that are RIGHT NOW better then J Flacco.
That will not be the case next year.
Jets-if Brett is gone
Bills- Edwards isn't doing that much more vs the rookie
Browns- New coach with some QB problems, start fresh
Bengals- IF C Palmer is done. Anybody going to argue Fitzpatrick is better?
Chiefs- Yes Thigpen is putting up fantasy numbers BUT is he better NFL wise?
Raiders- Flacco's better in the pocket- who has the better deep ball?
Titans- a ROOKIE doing the exact same thing as the 34 year old. Fisher would love this guy.
Redskins- Zorn has put a LOT of work into J Campbell. this one is ?? But worth mentioning.
Seahawks-I'm not saying a new coach would automatically want Hasselbeck gone.
I'm just saying he has that option.
49ers-Shaun Hill? really?
Rams- Just throwing this one out.
Vikings- T Jackson is getting better but how much? how fast?
Lions- Flacco would get killed just like any other QB but he wouldn't be MR turnover.
Bears- Better arm then Orton, manages the game better.
Panthers- 6 int's when the pressure is on. Delhomme is fading.
That's 15 teams. Panthers, Rams, Redskins are highly questionable calls
That would leave 20 qb's that are RIGHT NOW better then J Flacco.
That will not be the case next year.
Balco
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Remove the Jags and Texans and it's good.Edit: Garrard didn't have a stellar season at all and I don't think Houston is sold on Schaub..
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Chaka
Footballguy
Sounds about right.
JZilla
Footballguy
That assessment puts Flacco in the top half. That's a little better than "sucks."
Balco
Footballguy
Agreed. he doesn't stink, at this point in his career I would put him as average to slightly below average, He was a rookie from a 1-AA school thrown into the fire, and he did well all things considered. His team is in the AFC championship game. He should get better witha year under his belt.
JZilla
Footballguy
I'd put him as above average, given his accuracy on the deep ball, plus overall poise and potential
PatrickT
Footballguy
You don't have to sell me on that, just check my avatar, but to say he's not one of the best ever is selling him short, IMO. Not sure where the confusion is coming from, I said outright it would've been mediocre if it weren't for the fact that he was a rookie. I don't know if you can quantify it with stats, but the kid's won two playoff games with 0 turnovers. He, Peyton and Ben are the only QBs in the playoffs this year without a turnover, that in itself is pretty good stuff.hes not even the best rookie qb this season.
I tend to give the moderators and admin the benefit of the doubt when reading the boards. But it really is posts like this one that make me realize they are all subject to the same bias as any other fan.Chase - Please explain how Flacco was the 2nd best QB in that game. Please provide something other then "you had faith in the other guy". You can't. It makes you lose a lot of credibility. And I'll save you the trouble - i don't have any because i don't post much. but that doesn't change things for you.Jeff Pasquino said:Chase Stuart said:Sorry GB but this only tells me that you should retract your "2nd best QB" comment.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
You don't have to sell me on that, just check my avatar, but to say he's not one of the best ever is selling him short, IMO. Not sure where the confusion is coming from, I said outright it would've been mediocre if it weren't for the fact that he was a rookie. I don't know if you can quantify it with stats, but the kid's won two playoff games with 0 turnovers. He, Peyton and Ben are the only QBs in the playoffs this year without a turnover, that in itself is pretty good stuff.hes not even the best rookie qb this season.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Unibrow Joe most definitely had a bad game yesterday. Of course, the Stillers have a way of doing this to QBs. Their secondary really clamped down on the WRs and Woodley was getting pressure all night.
He's still playing it pretty close to the vest. I'm anxious to see if he improves next year.
He's still playing it pretty close to the vest. I'm anxious to see if he improves next year.
PatrickT
Footballguy
Can't remember now who stands on which side of this debate, so I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but in either case, Joe certainly made up for the turnovers in that game. Still a great rookie season, we'll see how he progresses in the next couple of years.You don't have to sell me on that, just check my avatar, but to say he's not one of the best ever is selling him short, IMO. Not sure where the confusion is coming from, I said outright it would've been mediocre if it weren't for the fact that he was a rookie. I don't know if you can quantify it with stats, but the kid's won two playoff games with 0 turnovers. He, Peyton and Ben are the only QBs in the playoffs this year without a turnover, that in itself is pretty good stuff.hes not even the best rookie qb this season.
Raider Nation
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@RoobCSN: Most playoff wins, first 5 seasons: Tom Brady (9), Ben Roethlisberger (8), Joe Flacco (7), Troy Aikman (6). Still wanna rip the guy?
teamramrod
Footballguy
and he is also playing next week.EliPeytonRomoRG3are notPeace
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
If you came away from that game impressed by flacco I don't know what you were watching.and he is also playing next week.EliPeytonRomoRG3are notPeace
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Run It Up
Footballguy
I knew you'd come around eventually.
Phlash
Footballguy
QB ratings aside, did anyone really think he looked good on those two fluke TD passes? Both of those plays should have been easy INTs, but he just rocketed it in and Torrey Smith managed to outposition Champ despite tight coverage on the first one. Second one we know could have been prevented by Rahim Moore. If he has 1 TD & 2 INT I think this thread's tone is a bit different today. Congratulations to him for trusting his receivers and getting fortunate outcomes on that play, but he could have easily had a day with less than 200 yards passing a bunch of turnovers.Joe Flacco plays way too risky for my tastes.
Mohawk
Footballguy
You can hate Flacco all you want. All he does is win some big games. He's got one of the best records in post-season of all QBs. No I do not think he is elite. But he ain't no dog either. Good catches by WRs do help a QB. But putting the ball where they can make a play is a big part of the formula too. So if you wanna sour grape him to death- and be jealous because the Ravens are again deep into the playoffs, then go right ahead an show your ignorance. I LOVE rooting for them. They are a class organization despite all the hate spewed by fools like y'all. GO RAVENS!!!!
James Daulton
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wtf does Flacco have to do? He's not always consistent, true, but in playoff games, he puts his team in position to win by not turning the ball over and making enough plays to win the game. Putting the ball where a receiver can make a play, even if he's not open, is the sign of a good QB. That last bomb was a testament to his arm strength. As Jaws noted, the ball came in at a much higher arc than most QBs would throw, that threw the Denver DB off as the ball kind of dropped out of the sky. Flacco is certainly not elite, but he certainly does not suck.
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The_Man
Footballguy
The Ravens were on their own 30, down 7, with 40 seconds and no timeouts left. How do you define too risky in that situation?
mr roboto
Footballguy
1st long TD was a PERFECT ball. Champ had good coverage, Flacco hit Smith exactly in stride. No way that is an INT. It's a play any other QB would be praised for. I bet that's one of Dilfer's Dimes!The second one was blown coverage. Jacoby was pretty far downfield before Flacco threw the ball. It wasn't in stride. It's couldn't be because by the time Joe got in a position to throw Jones was pretty far down the field. Flacco has always had a cannon. His deep ball skills are a strength. He played well yesterday.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
You can point out where I said he was awful. Thanks'Raider Nation said:'Skeletore Eh said:331 yards... 3 TDs, 0 INTs. 116.2 rating.Yeah, he was awful.
zilladog
Footballguy
Pretty good is fair. Definitely top 3rd of the league. He reminds me of Eli in the sense that he's a mind numbing roller coaster of inconsistency during the regular season, and then some how pulls a little magic out of his butt in the playoffs. IMO, if you look a little closer however, Flacco is just winging it like Flacco does. It's the other guys on the team stepping it up.'finito said:
flapgreen
Footballguy
lol @ the username.'Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation
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I was looking for a Flacco thread to bump. The fact that this thread was started by "DenverBroncos" was icing on the cake.lol @ the username.'Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation
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And he's in the Super Bowl last year if DUMMY Lee Evans covers up that ball he caught in the end zone.(Yeah, I'm still bitter... had a big bet on the Ravens to win the game)'Mohawk said:
MAC_32
Footballguy
Still average.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
He's no Kyle Boller.
The_Man
Footballguy
So how did the Ravens win their last two games at Denver and New England? Seriously.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Colin Kaepernick is a hall of famer then.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
C'mon man. Nowhere near subtle enough. Fishing is an art form.
