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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?

1) It's a farce and they were all wrong; or

2) I still believe: imagine how much colder it would have been without global warming.

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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?1) It's a farce and they were all wrong; or2) I still believe: imagine how much colder it would have been without global warming.

Oh noes. It snowed. GW must be a lie.How many of these stupid but almost identical posts have we had over the past few years?

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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?

I would say that only an idiot makes decisions based on anecdotal evidence.

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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?1) It's a farce and they were all wrong; or2) I still believe: imagine how much colder it would have been without global warming.

Oh noes. It snowed. GW must be a lie.How many of these stupid but almost identical posts have we had over the past few years?
And how many were made during the winter?

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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?1) It's a farce and they were all wrong; or2) I still believe: imagine how much colder it would have been without global warming.

Oh noes. It snowed. GW must be a lie.How many of these stupid but almost identical posts have we had over the past few years?
And how many were made during the winter?
I'd guess it's been a pretty even distribution. Any time there's a cold snap it gets posted, no matter if it's a winter blizzard or a mild stretch in summer.

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I once thought there may have been a chance of global warming. Not because of the recent snow, but I don't believe it for a second now.

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Frost in SE Michigan last night, killed all of our flowers. First time I remember that happening before Halloween.

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Frost in SE Michigan last night, killed all of our flowers. First time I remember that happening before Halloween.

Average first frost across Michigan is generally in September or early October. A few places linger but there is no place in the state where a frost last night would be unusual.

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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?1) It's a farce and they were all wrong; or2) I still believe: imagine how much colder it would have been without global warming.

It's evidence in support of global warming. Among the effects humans have had on climate change are an increase in extreme temperatures in both directions, as well as increased severity of storms. In the long run, temperatures are rising, and the time between winter/summer and summer/winter is shrinking. Record lows this time of year and early snowfalls indicate a shorter timespan between wummer/winter.I'd like to thank shining path for teaching me this. Seeing your ignorance on this board makes me miss shiney even more.
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Chet, what do you base your investment strategies on? Facts and statistics? Or anecdotal evidence?

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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?1) It's a farce and they were all wrong; or2) I still believe: imagine how much colder it would have been without global warming.

:swimsaway:

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well now that it snowed near your house it completely disproves the hundreds of refereed published studies that have come out in the last little while suppporting it

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Follow the money. That's all it's been about.

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This is my favorite debate.

It's getting hotter.

Global Warming!

It's getting colder.

Global Warming!

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isn't climate change the preferred nomenclature these days?

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How many of these stupid but almost identical posts have we had over the past few years?

And the correct answer is: 873,582,471. Mostly coming from the State of Alaska, with the "second tier" being the large cluster of States where you hear the phrases "all y'all" and "fixin' to" uttered a legislatively-mandated minimum of at least one time per-hour, 24/7/365.

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How long until the next black ice thread?

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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?

I would say that only an idiot makes decisions based on anecdotal evidence.
"Proof" of man-made global warming is just as anecdotal.

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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?

I would say that only an idiot makes decisions based on anecdotal evidence.
"Proof" of man-made global warming is just as anecdotal.
Wha?

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One cold year does not equal proof one way or the other. Even 150 increasingly warmer years doesn't prove it concretely.

But it seems to be reasonable to think that it's more than a coincidence that the world has been getting demonstrably (and provably) warmer since the industrial revolution started. Even with knowledge that climate is a complex and huge thing, and that man's influence on it is not well understood.

We have 2 choices: First is status quo, and if we're wrong, we end up screwing ourselves. The other is to take steps to change it, and if we're wrong, well at least we've removed all doubt.

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The remarkable stupidity or fishing of the OP made me miss Shining Path a lot. I guess thanks for reminding me.

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One cold year does not equal proof one way or the other. Even 150 increasingly warmer years doesn't prove it concretely.But it seems to be reasonable to think that it's more than a coincidence that the world has been getting demonstrably (and provably) warmer since the industrial revolution started. Even with knowledge that climate is a complex and huge thing, and that man's influence on it is not well understood.

Ice Age - Dinosaur Age - Industrial Revolution - Clearly 3 gigantic turns in our climate and we must figure out how man has played such a significant role in these drastic changes in our climate.

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Throughout the earth's history, periods of global cooling have been followed by periods of global warming.

Ergo, if the earth is cooling, IT IS INDISPUTABLE PROOF THAT THE EARTH WILL WARM IN THE FUTURE.

So, to sum it all up, if we detect warmer temperatures, then the sky is falling.

But if we detect cooler temperatures, it means the sky is getting ready to fall.

We must do something!

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Follow the money. That's all it's been about.

:goodposting: Way more money in climate research than fossil fuels.

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Lots of examples of record cold temperatures and early snow floating around. If you believed in global warming a few years ago, what do you say now?1) It's a farce and they were all wrong; or2) I still believe: imagine how much colder it would have been without global warming.

:swimsaway:
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if its unseasonably hot its global warming

if its unseasonably cold its global warming

big snow storm = global warming

no snow storm global warming

:shrug:

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if its unseasonably hot its global warmingif its unseasonably cold its global warmingbig snow storm = global warmingno snow storm global warming :moneybag:

don't forget hurricanes and tornadoes

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There's plenty of room for legitimate debate regarding global warming, all in terms of what is to be done? For instance, I remain unconvinced that severe self-placed restrictions on our economy will have any effect other than to hurt our economy.

However, to deny the existence of this problem, and its seriousness, and the fact that it is largely man-made, is quite silly at this point. It reminds me of the anti-evolutionists, and quite often they are the same people. When scientists tell you something, its wise to believe them.

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well im almost certain this has to be zombie related

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However, to deny the existence of this problem, and its seriousness, and the fact that it is largely man-made, is quite silly at this point. It reminds me of the anti-evolutionists, and quite often they are the same people. When scientists tell you something, its wise to believe them.

You were doing so well until the "largely man-made" part. There are scientists who believe it's man made and there are scientists who believe man has little or nothing to do with it. If I'm to believe the scientists...which group should I believe?

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I also don't understand, as an independent, why so many conservatives tend to be the ones that doubt the existence of global warming. It makes conservatives look stupid, and liberals look smarter, frankly. I don't believe this to be the case. Yet many on the right seem to have adopted this ignorant denial of GW as part of their ideology.

Again, it makes sense for a conservative to be opposed to liberal SOLUTIONS to global warming, because they usually involve draconian restrictions on business. But the proper alternative, it seems to me, is to come up with responsible pro-buisness alternatives to these solutions (for instance, the removal of restrictions on the expansion of nuclear energy, or an attempt to replace our oil and coal needs with natural gas). But to play this stick your head in the sand game and deny that there is even a problem- I don't get it.

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I also don't understand, as an independent, why so many conservatives

:banned: you just can't help yourself can you?

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However, to deny the existence of this problem, and its seriousness, and the fact that it is largely man-made, is quite silly at this point. It reminds me of the anti-evolutionists, and quite often they are the same people. When scientists tell you something, its wise to believe them.

You were doing so well until the "largely man-made" part. There are scientists who believe it's man made and there are scientists who believe man has little or nothing to do with it. If I'm to believe the scientists...which group should I believe?
From what I've been able to learn about this issue, the vast majority of scientists around the world believe WITH AUTHORITY that it's largely man-made. The ones that don't are usually cranks of some sort. A few months back I had dinner with a woman, friend of my moms, who is a scientist who works for NASA charting asteroids at JPL. She told me that the acceptance of the seriousness of man-made climate change is universal among every scientist she knows. That's anecdotal, of course, but it made a large impression on me.

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There's plenty of room for legitimate debate regarding global warming, all in terms of what is to be done? For instance, I remain unconvinced that severe self-placed restrictions on our economy will have any effect other than to hurt our economy. However, to deny the existence of this problem, and its seriousness, and the fact that it is largely man-made, is quite silly at this point. It reminds me of the anti-evolutionists, and quite often they are the same people. When scientists tell you something, its wise to believe them.

Why do you think that the people who are anti-evolutionists are the same anti-global warming crowd?What does that say about the merits of their arguments?

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I also don't understand, as an independent, why so many conservatives

:banned: you just can't help yourself can you?
I'm being qute honest here. I also can't understand why so many liberals are willing to restrict business and trade without a care in the world for the economic results, or why they are seemingly willing to take a passive response to our foreign policy that allows the bad guys of the world to get stronger. To me, both liberals and conservatives are full of weakness and contradictions, and I'm proud not to be either one.

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