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Meachem stripped the defender after an INT and scored. I'm thinking this is a defensive score. Otherwise rushing TD? How is NFL scoring this?

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He became a defender the moment the INT occurred. He could have gotten a tackle, but stripped the ball instead. Still a defensive play.

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I always hate these situations.

In my mind, there are two teams that step onto the field at the beginning of the play, and that's how it stays throughout the play (no matter what happens). For example, had the Washington defender returned that INT for a TD, should those points have counted against the NO team defense (since, after the INT, the NO offense sort of "turned into" the NO defense)? I say no.

In my league, give Meachem the yardage from the point where he recovered it, and the TD.

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As soon as change of possession occurs, the "offense" becomes the "defense" so it obviously should be credited as a D/ST TD for the Saints. The specific player, just because he is an "offensive player" doesn't matter.

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This is neither a defensive TD nor a rushing TD. It is technically a "fumble recovery TD". Check the official box score and you will see that Meachem does not get credit for any rushing yards or rushing TDs.

Now, how will this be scored? Well, most fantasy leagues will score it as an "Offensive Fumble Recovery TD", which means that you have to specifically check the "OFRTD" box when you set up your scoring.

A few leagues will count it as a Defensive TD. A few others will count it as a rushing TD. Some may give credit to both Meachem and the Defense. But the best way to score it is to give Meachem 6 points.

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As soon as change of possession occurs, the "offense" becomes the "defense" so it obviously should be credited as a D/ST TD for the Saints. The specific player, just because he is an "offensive player" doesn't matter.

By this logic, the "defense" became the "offense" again when Meachem recovered the defense's fumble.

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As soon as change of possession occurs, the "offense" becomes the "defense" so it obviously should be credited as a D/ST TD for the Saints. The specific player, just because he is an "offensive player" doesn't matter.

By this logic, the "defense" became the "offense" again when Meachem recovered the defense's fumble.
Well, then the Defense would never score except for safeties if you're going by possession of the ball.

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As soon as change of possession occurs, the "offense" becomes the "defense" so it obviously should be credited as a D/ST TD for the Saints. The specific player, just because he is an "offensive player" doesn't matter.

By this logic, the "defense" became the "offense" again when Meachem recovered the defense's fumble.
Well, then the Defense would never score except for safeties if you're going by possession of the ball.
Bingo.

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Generally, each league has its own rules for this situation. It's not unique.

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As soon as change of possession occurs, the "offense" becomes the "defense" so it obviously should be credited as a D/ST TD for the Saints. The specific player, just because he is an "offensive player" doesn't matter.

By this logic, the "defense" became the "offense" again when Meachem recovered the defense's fumble.
Well, then the Defense would never score except for safeties if you're going by possession of the ball.
Bingo.
You just torpedoed your own argument, by the way.

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This is neither a defensive TD nor a rushing TD. It is technically a "fumble recovery TD". Check the official box score and you will see that Meachem does not get credit for any rushing yards or rushing TDs.

Now, how will this be scored? Well, most fantasy leagues will score it as an "Offensive Fumble Recovery TD", which means that you have to specifically check the "OFRTD" box when you set up your scoring.

A few leagues will count it as a Defensive TD. A few others will count it as a rushing TD. Some may give credit to both Meachem and the Defense. But the best way to score it is to give Meachem 6 points.

Nah this is the scoring that is used when the offense recovers its own fumble.

This is definitely a defensive fumble recovery returned for a TD

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This is neither a defensive TD nor a rushing TD. It is technically a "fumble recovery TD". Check the official box score and you will see that Meachem does not get credit for any rushing yards or rushing TDs.

Now, how will this be scored? Well, most fantasy leagues will score it as an "Offensive Fumble Recovery TD", which means that you have to specifically check the "OFRTD" box when you set up your scoring.

A few leagues will count it as a Defensive TD. A few others will count it as a rushing TD. Some may give credit to both Meachem and the Defense. But the best way to score it is to give Meachem 6 points.

Nah this is the scoring that is used when the offense recovers its own fumble.
From MFL:

Offensive Fumble Recovery TD Following A Turnover.

* Scenario: Team A has the ball and passes or rushes with it.

o In a pass scenario, Team A throws an interception to Player B1 on Team B. Player B1 subsequently fumbles the ball. The recovery is made by Player A2 on Team A who runs it in for a TD.

o In a rush scenario, Player A1 on Team A fumbles the ball to Player B1 on Team B. Player B1 subsequently fumbles the ball and the resulting recovery is made by a Player A2 on Team A who runs it in for a TD.

* Result: Player A2 is awarded an ‘Offensive Fumble Recovery TD’ from the distance from the recovery to the end zone. This is not considered a Defensive Team TD because the Team A defense was not on the field.

More arguments in favor of this ruling: Footballguys article

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For people who want to make their own set of rules and give Meachem a TD as an offensive player, a simple question:

How did Meachem get the TD? Pass reception? Run?

No - it was a fumble by the opposing player. This is cut and dry - not an offensive TD.

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As soon as change of possession occurs, the "offense" becomes the "defense" so it obviously should be credited as a D/ST TD for the Saints. The specific player, just because he is an "offensive player" doesn't matter.

I have Meacham as my 3rd WR in an IDP league. Does he get credited with Fumble Recovery/TD?

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As soon as change of possession occurs, the "offense" becomes the "defense" so it obviously should be credited as a D/ST TD for the Saints. The specific player, just because he is an "offensive player" doesn't matter.

I have Meacham as my 3rd WR in an IDP league. Does he get credited with Fumble Recovery/TD?
In IDP he should most definitely get credit.

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For people who want to make their own set of rules and give Meachem a TD as an offensive player, a simple question:How did Meachem get the TD? Pass reception? Run?No - it was a fumble by the opposing player. This is cut and dry - not an offensive TD.

Okay then, how would you score this scenario:1. Brees throws pass to Colston.2. Colston fumbles.3. Meachem recovers fumble and returns it for touchdown.

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It's a defensive TD and I'd be willing to be anyone who says otherwise that's the way it will eventually be scored on CBS Sports (note: not that they are the be all end all for right/wrong). This is the 20th year for our league and we have in our rules that this is a defensive TD. As soon as Wash intercepted the ball NO becomes the defense and the resulting strip and TD goes to any team owning the NO defensive/special teams unit.

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For people who want to make their own set of rules and give Meachem a TD as an offensive player, a simple question:How did Meachem get the TD? Pass reception? Run?No - it was a fumble by the opposing player. This is cut and dry - not an offensive TD.

Okay then, how would you score this scenario:1. Brees throws pass to Colston.2. Colston fumbles.3. Meachem recovers fumble and returns it for touchdown.
There was never a change of posession. No TD for NO defense. Meachem gets a TD with the only guestion being does Brees get points. That all depends on how the NFL scorer rules the play.

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For people who want to make their own set of rules and give Meachem a TD as an offensive player, a simple question:How did Meachem get the TD? Pass reception? Run?No - it was a fumble by the opposing player. This is cut and dry - not an offensive TD.

Okay then, how would you score this scenario:1. Brees throws pass to Colston.2. Colston fumbles.3. Meachem recovers fumble and returns it for touchdown.
I believe that is a(n) (offensive) fumble return for TD. A lateral gets interesting as well - dont know if it counts as a run, but maybe its rushing yards? I dont think Brees would get a TD if he passed to Colston and Colston then lateralled to another player who scored.

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It's a defensive TD and I'd be willing to bet anyone who says otherwise that's the way it will eventually be scored on CBS Sports

All that proves is that CBS is ignorant.

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For people who want to make their own set of rules and give Meachem a TD as an offensive player, a simple question:How did Meachem get the TD? Pass reception? Run?No - it was a fumble by the opposing player. This is cut and dry - not an offensive TD.

Okay then, how would you score this scenario:1. Brees throws pass to Colston.2. Colston fumbles.3. Meachem recovers fumble and returns it for touchdown.
Brees gets passing yds up to the fumble spot.Colston gets receiving yds up to the fumble spot.Meachem get rushing TD yds from fumble spot.This scenario does not have a turnover.Although I think if fumbled forward. No other offensive player can recover and move forward.

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For people who want to make their own set of rules and give Meachem a TD as an offensive player, a simple question:How did Meachem get the TD? Pass reception? Run?No - it was a fumble by the opposing player. This is cut and dry - not an offensive TD.

Okay then, how would you score this scenario:1. Brees throws pass to Colston.2. Colston fumbles.3. Meachem recovers fumble and returns it for touchdown.
I believe that is a(n) (offensive) fumble return for TD. A lateral gets interesting as well - dont know if it counts as a run, but maybe its rushing yards? I dont think Brees would get a TD if he passed to Colston and Colston then lateralled to another player who scored.
My point was that it doesn't have to be a "rush" or a "pass reception" for an offensive player to get a TD. They can also score TDs on fumble recoveries, which is exactly what happened with Meachem. It doesn't really matter if there were multiple changes of possession before Meachem scored. All that matters is that he was on offense.If you're going to give Meachem a TD for the scenario I described above, then you must also give him a TD for what happened today.

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For people who want to make their own set of rules and give Meachem a TD as an offensive player, a simple question:How did Meachem get the TD? Pass reception? Run?No - it was a fumble by the opposing player. This is cut and dry - not an offensive TD.

Okay then, how would you score this scenario:1. Brees throws pass to Colston.2. Colston fumbles.3. Meachem recovers fumble and returns it for touchdown.
Brees gets passing yds up to the fumble spot.Colston gets receiving yds up to the fumble spot.Meachem get rushing TD yds from fumble spot.This scenario does not have a turnover.
Meachem would not get a rushing TD in that scenario.

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Mr. Retukes. The key is the change of possession.

fasteddie, the key is two changes of possession.

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For people who want to make their own set of rules and give Meachem a TD as an offensive player, a simple question:How did Meachem get the TD? Pass reception? Run?No - it was a fumble by the opposing player. This is cut and dry - not an offensive TD.

Okay then, how would you score this scenario:1. Brees throws pass to Colston.2. Colston fumbles.3. Meachem recovers fumble and returns it for touchdown.
I believe that is a(n) (offensive) fumble return for TD. A lateral gets interesting as well - dont know if it counts as a run, but maybe its rushing yards? I dont think Brees would get a TD if he passed to Colston and Colston then lateralled to another player who scored.
My point was that it doesn't have to be a "rush" or a "pass reception" for an offensive player to get a TD. They can also score TDs on fumble recoveries, which is exactly what happened with Meachem. It doesn't really matter if there were multiple changes of possession before Meachem scored. All that matters is that he was on offense.If you're going to give Meachem a TD for the scenario I described above, then you must also give him a TD for what happened today.
but he wasn't on offense... he was on defense

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If Meachem were a defensive player and he returned a fumble for a TD he would get points for the TD. Why is it any different if he is a wide receiver normally?

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my leagues have the following rule for situations like this

ONLY rushing, passing and receiving TD will be credit for 6 PTs. Other type of TDs(punt returns, kickoff return, fumble recovery, ect.) will not be credited with 6 PTs.

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If you're going to give Meachem a TD for the scenario I described above, then you must also give him a TD for what happened today.

but he wasn't on offense... he was on defense
Meachem was on offense in both scenarios. If you're going to say that Meachem somehow "switched" from offense to defense, then you must also say that he "switched back" from defense to offense as soon as he recovered the fumble.

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If you're going to give Meachem a TD for the scenario I described above, then you must also give him a TD for what happened today.

but he wasn't on offense... he was on defense
Meachem was on offense in both scenarios. If you're going to say that Meachem somehow "switched" from offense to defense, then you must also say that he "switched back" from defense to offense as soon as he recovered the fumble.
So...you're saying there's no such thing as a defensive touchdown.. ever?

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Meachem was on offense in both scenarios. If you're going to say that Meachem somehow "switched" from offense to defense, then you must also say that he "switched back" from defense to offense as soon as he recovered the fumble.

what the hell are you talking ?you can't switch back

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If you're going to give Meachem a TD for the scenario I described above, then you must also give him a TD for what happened today.

but he wasn't on offense... he was on defense
Meachem was on offense in both scenarios. If you're going to say that Meachem somehow "switched" from offense to defense, then you must also say that he "switched back" from defense to offense as soon as he recovered the fumble.
So...you're saying there's no such thing as a defensive touchdown.. ever?
Actually, that's what your argument suggests. You're claiming that Meachem was on defense BEFORE recovering the fumble, right? Therefore, you must believe that Washington was somehow on offense at that point. And if Washington was on offense, how could they score a D/ST touchdown?

.....unless you believe that there were two defenses on the field at the same time? (Something that is impossible by NFL rules.)

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If you're going to give Meachem a TD for the scenario I described above, then you must also give him a TD for what happened today.

but he wasn't on offense... he was on defense
Meachem was on offense in both scenarios. If you're going to say that Meachem somehow "switched" from offense to defense, then you must also say that he "switched back" from defense to offense as soon as he recovered the fumble.
So...you're saying there's no such thing as a defensive touchdown.. ever?
:D

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Meachem was on offense in both scenarios. If you're going to say that Meachem somehow "switched" from offense to defense, then you must also say that he "switched back" from defense to offense as soon as he recovered the fumble.

what the hell are you talking ?

you can't switch back

Well, I would argue that you can't switch, period.

But if someone wants to make the argument that Meachem switches from offense to defense, then you must also agree that he could switch back. You can't have it both ways.

Otherwise, you must concede that Meachem remained on offense for the entire play.

Either way, Meachem gets an Offensive touchdown.

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Meachem was on offense in both scenarios. If you're going to say that Meachem somehow "switched" from offense to defense, then you must also say that he "switched back" from defense to offense as soon as he recovered the fumble.

what the hell are you talking ?

you can't switch back

Well, I would argue that you can't switch, period.

But if someone wants to make the argument that Meachem switches from offense to defense, then you must also agree that he could switch back. You can't have it both ways.

Otherwise, you must concede that Meachem remained on offense for the entire play.

Either way, Meachem gets an Offensive touchdown.

I'll argue at the time of the INT, he switched from Offense to Special Teams, and stayed there for the remainder of the play.

Washington stayed on Defense for the entirety of the play.

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