That's awesome! First major-league player EVER to win appeal.
Isn't that Keys Myaths' alias?arbitrator Shyam Das
Ryan,Sorry to hear about your peeing in a cup difficulties.Says he got off on a technicality. Weak.
yes, because insanely high levels of testosterone don't set off any red flags at all about the test.Says he got off on a technicality. Weak.
Judging by the baseball thread...Keeper?#### yes!!!!
I'm sorry?I own him in a keeper league......this is the best news I've received in weeks.Now, not to stir up the pot, but all you who railed on Braun need to come clean. Us loyal Brewer fans welcome your apology.I'm waiting...
In weeks? What about the news that your VD test for Horse Herpes came back negative?I'm sorry?I own him in a keeper league......this is the best news I've received in weeks.Now, not to stir up the pot, but all you who railed on Braun need to come clean. Us loyal Brewer fans welcome your apology.I'm waiting...
Who said it came back negative?In weeks? What about the news that your VD test for Horse Herpes came back negative?I'm sorry?I own him in a keeper league......this is the best news I've received in weeks.Now, not to stir up the pot, but all you who railed on Braun need to come clean. Us loyal Brewer fans welcome your apology.I'm waiting...
good ol' cake league.GLAD WE STARTED OUR DRAFT LAST WEEK.
You're guy gets off on a technicality and you want an apology? This place has me really confused. Universal condemnation of PED use by athletes, years of debate as to what to do, then when a guy uses them and beats the system it's a doggone block party in here. Put me down as a fan who sees this as a dark day. You either want a clean game or you dont.Now, not to stir up the pot, but all you who railed on Braun need to come clean. Us loyal Brewer fans welcome your apology.I'm waiting...
I have most of my teef as well! WOOOOOO!Wait a minute. There's something in all of this I didn't follow. There are loyal Brewers fans?
Insanely high levels of testosterone doesn't strike you as odd? Really? That there could absolutely be nothing wrong with the test itself despite the screaming red flags everywhere? It was fishy from the start so how can you give it any credibility?You're guy gets off on a technicality and you want an apology? This place has me really confused. Universal condemnation of PED use by athletes, years of debate as to what to do, then when a guy uses them and beats the system it's a doggone block party in here. Put me down as a fan who sees this as a dark day. You either want a clean game or you dont.Now, not to stir up the pot, but all you who railed on Braun need to come clean. Us loyal Brewer fans welcome your apology.I'm waiting...
I hear you. Obviously the guy put the urine sample in his fridge and then poured a whole mess of testosterone in there. Ryan Braun, the world owes you an apology.As I said in the baseball thread, the suspension absolutely should have been set aside due to MLB's failure to adhere to testing policies. However, that in no way absolves Braun of being a cheater. He should thank his lucky stars that he won't have to serve a 50 game suspension and that some naive fans will equate his suspension being overturned with him being clean.So the guy doing the testing thought FedEx was closed because it was late Saturday so he took it home and put it in his refrigerator Yeah, no chance of a tainted sample there.
I got this from another poster who said this quite well:I hear you. Obviously the guy put the urine sample in his fridge and then poured a whole mess of testosterone in there. Ryan Braun, the world owes you an apology.As I said in the baseball thread, the suspension absolutely should have been set aside due to MLB's failure to adhere to testing policies. However, that in no way absolves Braun of being a cheater. He should thank his lucky stars that he won't have to serve a 50 game suspension and that some naive fans will equate his suspension being overturned with him being clean.So the guy doing the testing thought FedEx was closed because it was late Saturday so he took it home and put it in his refrigerator
Yeah, no chance of a tainted sample there.
I am an attorney, and that is a horrible analogy.I got this from another poster who said this quite well:I hear you. Obviously the guy put the urine sample in his fridge and then poured a whole mess of testosterone in there. Ryan Braun, the world owes you an apology.As I said in the baseball thread, the suspension absolutely should have been set aside due to MLB's failure to adhere to testing policies. However, that in no way absolves Braun of being a cheater. He should thank his lucky stars that he won't have to serve a 50 game suspension and that some naive fans will equate his suspension being overturned with him being clean.So the guy doing the testing thought FedEx was closed because it was late Saturday so he took it home and put it in his refrigerator
Yeah, no chance of a tainted sample there.
Hardly a "technicality" anymore than a criminal defense attorney whose client never should have been pulled over in the first instance because there was a lack of probable cause to do so. A failure to handle human urine in accordance with the requirements of the policies and procedures set forth in the agreement between players and the league is not a mere "technicality" and goes to the very heart and integrity of the process. If the sample is not tested within a certain period of leaving the human body, the results necessarily become tainted and subject to both criticism and quite frankly, simply being ignored, as they should have been in the first place. Now let's get on to the little "technicality" about Braun's RIGHTS having been intentionally violated by both the leakers and, frankly, ESPN whose ethics in this matter bear rigorous examination.
Quoting lawyers and blame shifting to ESPN's bad practices don't make Braun any less guiltyI got this from another poster who said this quite well:I hear you. Obviously the guy put the urine sample in his fridge and then poured a whole mess of testosterone in there. Ryan Braun, the world owes you an apology.As I said in the baseball thread, the suspension absolutely should have been set aside due to MLB's failure to adhere to testing policies. However, that in no way absolves Braun of being a cheater. He should thank his lucky stars that he won't have to serve a 50 game suspension and that some naive fans will equate his suspension being overturned with him being clean.So the guy doing the testing thought FedEx was closed because it was late Saturday so he took it home and put it in his refrigerator
Yeah, no chance of a tainted sample there.
Hardly a "technicality" anymore than a criminal defense attorney whose client never should have been pulled over in the first instance because there was a lack of probable cause to do so. A failure to handle human urine in accordance with the requirements of the policies and procedures set forth in the agreement between players and the league is not a mere "technicality" and goes to the very heart and integrity of the process. If the sample is not tested within a certain period of leaving the human body, the results necessarily become tainted and subject to both criticism and quite frankly, simply being ignored, as they should have been in the first place. Now let's get on to the little "technicality" about Braun's RIGHTS having been intentionally violated by both the leakers and, frankly, ESPN whose ethics in this matter bear rigorous examination.
I agree that "Not Guilty" <> "Innocent"I hear you. Obviously the guy put the urine sample in his fridge and then poured a whole mess of testosterone in there. Ryan Braun, the world owes you an apology.As I said in the baseball thread, the suspension absolutely should have been set aside due to MLB's failure to adhere to testing policies. However, that in no way absolves Braun of being a cheater. He should thank his lucky stars that he won't have to serve a 50 game suspension and that some naive fans will equate his suspension being overturned with him being clean.So the guy doing the testing thought FedEx was closed because it was late Saturday so he took it home and put it in his refrigerator Yeah, no chance of a tainted sample there.
I don't see anyone claiming the MLB is without fault here. But blaming those that are charged with cleaning up the sport doesnt exonerate the player.It's the kind of sleight of hand that would make Johnny Cochran proud. But most of the public are harder to fool than that.Lot of people judging Braun here. But where does MLB take the blame? First, they can't guarantee chain of custody of the drug sample. Then they leak that Braun faces a 50 game suspension due to a failed drug test in a process that is supposed to be confidential. Then, again in a confidential process, the timing of the hearing was leaked. Then when the appeal process that they agreed to with the union exonerates him they post a statement that they vehemently disagree with it. Seems like MLB screwed up just about everything they could about this process and people are quick to take MLB's side? I don't get it.
Reports are, that the guy who did the test took the urine sample home for 2 days because FED-EX was closed.Seriously.Did I skim that correctly? There's a problem with how the tests are done?
Oh dear
MLB deserves a ton of the blame. If they just followed protocol, a cheater would be serving a 50 game suspension. I think MLB is getting plenty of blame, and rightfully so. Doesn't change the fact that Braun is a cheater.Lot of people judging Braun here. But where does MLB take the blame? First, they can't guarantee chain of custody of the drug sample. Then they leak that Braun faces a 50 game suspension due to a failed drug test in a process that is supposed to be confidential. Then, again in a confidential process, the timing of the hearing was leaked. Then when the appeal process that they agreed to with the union exonerates him they post a statement that they vehemently disagree with it. Seems like MLB screwed up just about everything they could about this process and people are quick to take MLB's side? I don't get it.
So the guy doing the testing thought FedEx was closed because it was late Saturday so he took it home and put it in his refrigerator Yeah, no chance of a tainted sample there.
So you know for a fact he is guilty and only getting off on a technicality?I'll take a link to these reports on what he was exactly taking to make this ONE test out of his last 25 spike like it did.ThanksI hear you. Obviously the guy put the urine sample in his fridge and then poured a whole mess of testosterone in there. Ryan Braun, the world owes you an apology.As I said in the baseball thread, the suspension absolutely should have been set aside due to MLB's failure to adhere to testing policies. However, that in no way absolves Braun of being a cheater. He should thank his lucky stars that he won't have to serve a 50 game suspension and that some naive fans will equate his suspension being overturned with him being clean.So the guy doing the testing thought FedEx was closed because it was late Saturday so he took it home and put it in his refrigerator Yeah, no chance of a tainted sample there.
How do we know he cheated???? He reportedly passed 25 tests before this. So if you assume all those samples were handled correctly before this and he passed them all, then you have one sample that is handled incorrectly and he fails it, doesn't that raise a huge red flag with the reliability of this test?MLB deserves a ton of the blame. If they just followed protocol, a cheater would be serving a 50 game suspension. I think MLB is getting plenty of blame, and rightfully so. Doesn't change the fact that Braun is a cheater.Lot of people judging Braun here. But where does MLB take the blame? First, they can't guarantee chain of custody of the drug sample. Then they leak that Braun faces a 50 game suspension due to a failed drug test in a process that is supposed to be confidential. Then, again in a confidential process, the timing of the hearing was leaked. Then when the appeal process that they agreed to with the union exonerates him they post a statement that they vehemently disagree with it. Seems like MLB screwed up just about everything they could about this process and people are quick to take MLB's side? I don't get it.
Why would anyone apologize? Seems pretty clear he got off on how the testing was done not for being clean.Now, not to stir up the pot, but all you who railed on Braun need to come clean. Us loyal Brewer fans welcome your apology.I'm waiting...
He's a brother seamus. Like an irish monk.Isn't that Keys Myaths' alias?arbitrator Shyam Das
Might want to look up what that word means.You may think he juiced, just like I think he did, but I would never say it was a fact.MLB deserves a ton of the blame. If they just followed protocol, a cheater would be serving a 50 game suspension. I think MLB is getting plenty of blame, and rightfully so. Doesn't change the fact that Braun is a cheater.Lot of people judging Braun here. But where does MLB take the blame? First, they can't guarantee chain of custody of the drug sample. Then they leak that Braun faces a 50 game suspension due to a failed drug test in a process that is supposed to be confidential. Then, again in a confidential process, the timing of the hearing was leaked. Then when the appeal process that they agreed to with the union exonerates him they post a statement that they vehemently disagree with it. Seems like MLB screwed up just about everything they could about this process and people are quick to take MLB's side? I don't get it.
I hear you. Obviously the guy put the urine sample in his fridge and then poured a whole mess of testosterone in there. Ryan Braun, the world owes you an apology.As I said in the baseball thread, the suspension absolutely should have been set aside due to MLB's failure to adhere to testing policies. However, that in no way absolves Braun of being a cheater. He should thank his lucky stars that he won't have to serve a 50 game suspension and that some naive fans will equate his suspension being overturned with him being clean.So the guy doing the testing thought FedEx was closed because it was late Saturday so he took it home and put it in his refrigerator Yeah, no chance of a tainted sample there.
That is pretty bad considering most of the criminal law jurisprudence comes with explicit disclaimers that the chain of custody or search issues are explicitly not done with the intent of getting the guilty free on technicalities. They're measures to protect those that might be abused by the system. Prophylactic and all that. And sometimes the procedural restrictions are actually substantive in nature, if that makes sense. I mean, the guy went home and put it in his refrigerator? I have no love of Wisconsin professional sports, but that's silliness and reckless. Why do I trust this guy over Braun? Forget that. That seems like more than some sort of technicality. That's a deviation from procedure that's ripe for abuse.I am an attorney, and that is a horrible analogy.I got this from another poster who said this quite well:I hear you. Obviously the guy put the urine sample in his fridge and then poured a whole mess of testosterone in there. Ryan Braun, the world owes you an apology.As I said in the baseball thread, the suspension absolutely should have been set aside due to MLB's failure to adhere to testing policies. However, that in no way absolves Braun of being a cheater. He should thank his lucky stars that he won't have to serve a 50 game suspension and that some naive fans will equate his suspension being overturned with him being clean.So the guy doing the testing thought FedEx was closed because it was late Saturday so he took it home and put it in his refrigerator
Yeah, no chance of a tainted sample there.
Hardly a "technicality" anymore than a criminal defense attorney whose client never should have been pulled over in the first instance because there was a lack of probable cause to do so. A failure to handle human urine in accordance with the requirements of the policies and procedures set forth in the agreement between players and the league is not a mere "technicality" and goes to the very heart and integrity of the process. If the sample is not tested within a certain period of leaving the human body, the results necessarily become tainted and subject to both criticism and quite frankly, simply being ignored, as they should have been in the first place. Now let's get on to the little "technicality" about Braun's RIGHTS having been intentionally violated by both the leakers and, frankly, ESPN whose ethics in this matter bear rigorous examination.
I don't.The game (this and any other) has never been clean and it never will be. Trying to ban PEDs makes about as much sense as the prohibition of booze or pot in the United States. It's a fool's never-ending game of cat & mouse, and the population as a whole suffers as a result of it.You either want a clean game or you dont.