False Start
Footballguy
They wouldnt be going through all this now if it did not have an instant benefit for the NFLPA and its suspended players.
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WR Josh Gordon, KC (22 Viewers)
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massraider
Footballguy
T J
Footballguy
A guy drafted him, dropped him and I picked him up when I got the first sniff on all this last week. I drafted him in another league, dropped him, and was lucky enough to get him back.
Hope like hell the vote tomorrow allows him to play. Calvin, Fitz, and Gordon in a 14 team league would be awfully nice. Though I will say that it's looking like Floyd is the clear #1 now. Oh... and Chris Berman sucks.
Hope like hell the vote tomorrow allows him to play. Calvin, Fitz, and Gordon in a 14 team league would be awfully nice. Though I will say that it's looking like Floyd is the clear #1 now. Oh... and Chris Berman sucks.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
T J
Footballguy
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
VaTerp
Footballguy
"Depending on the deal that's struck, per Rapoport, it could lead to adjusted suspensions for players such as Josh Gordon, Wes Welker and Orlando Scandrick."
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000391748/article/nfl-player-representatives-will-vote-on-new-drug-policy-tuesday
I always find it interesting what goes on NFL.com. I like how they go with "per Rapoport" but this is basically the league recognizing on it's website that the potential for these specific player's suspensions to be adjusted. That's significant IMO.
All along I've believed it's a long shot but I'm beginning to believe that if the NFLPA agrees to a deal Gordon will be reinstated for at least 8 games.
Or maybe the league doesn't know anything about Rapoports sources just like they never saw the Ray Rice tape.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000391748/article/nfl-player-representatives-will-vote-on-new-drug-policy-tuesday
I always find it interesting what goes on NFL.com. I like how they go with "per Rapoport" but this is basically the league recognizing on it's website that the potential for these specific player's suspensions to be adjusted. That's significant IMO.
All along I've believed it's a long shot but I'm beginning to believe that if the NFLPA agrees to a deal Gordon will be reinstated for at least 8 games.
Or maybe the league doesn't know anything about Rapoports sources just like they never saw the Ray Rice tape.
apalmer
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Lane Adkins sounds like he's Kenny Chesney's opening act.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So now they are going to delay for 12 weeks to discuss what to do with players who were suspended under the previous rules.
VaTerp
Footballguy
More from Tony Grossi-
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=37241
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=37241
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I pretty much agree with that Grossi guy. If the NFLs threshold for a positive pot test is 60% lower than the one for air traffic controllers, that's just stupid. I'm thinking he's going to play this year. He better, I pissed away 27% of my blind bid bucks on him last week.
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Gordon reportedly registered a 16 (nanogram per millimeter) on the marijuana-o-meter – just 1 point above the ridiculously low NFL threshold of 15. Air traffic controllers are held to a threshold of 50. Olympic athletes have a threshold of 150.
The new NFL policy reportedly would set 50 as the new threshold, same as Major League Baseball.
Not a Grossi fan, but this is maybe one of the best things he's written.
Every point right on the money, including the DWI.
Now, Free Josh Gordon.
skinsrule05
Footballguy
That is a good article. I wonder about that DWI. If guilty he should be suspended 2 games. If he gets off on the pot charges today he would have been suspended one game for no reason. Could that count toward the DWI?
actually, the rule is that there cant be a certain concentration of thc (or whatever the tested metabolite is) in your urine test.
If this article is one of the best things he's written, then his other articles must be really bad.
It's a bunch of speculation and conclusions that aren't logical. It actually sounds like a bunch of the desperate posts from Gordon-ites from this thread. The only thing missing was "Gordon tweeted today; that must means he knows something & is coming back!"
It starts with the question: "Browns never cleaned out Gordon's locker, what does that tell you," then " Gordon’s high-powered team of lawyers, didn't sue or try to get an injunction so he could play, what does that tell you?"
He then said that this means to him that the Browns, Gordon, and his lawyers were tipped off that he was going to be re-instated.
Wouldn't that fact that the Browns had better things to do than worry about Gordon's locker have been the reason it wasn't cleaned out? The decision wasn't made until 8/27, and Gordon was supposedly considering legal action until 9/5. Maybe the upcoming season opener was more important than house-cleaning? Justin Blackmon was suspended indefinitely last fall, and his locker wasn't cleaned out until this spring. Did the Jaguars "receive a tip" that he was going to be re-instated?
Maybe the reason Gordon's lawyers didn't sue was because they knew they had no case? The CBA is clear, and the arbitrator didn't do anything to warrant a injuction. Perhaps, instead of "getting a tip" that Gordon was going to be allowed back, they knew they had no legal leg to stand on?
The author goes on to discuss Aldon Smith and Ray Rice and how their punishments compared to Gordon's, as many Gordon-ites have done in this thread. He ignores the fact that they aren't relevant to Gordon's situation.
Smith got 4 games because of his 2nd violation of the substance abuse policy, plus 5 games under the personal conduct policy. Rice got 2 games under the personal conduct policy. Gordon got a year because of his 3rd "strike" under the substance abuse policy, AS THE CBA DICTATES! He doesn't acknowledge that fact (because it doesn't fit with his pre-conceived) "got a tip" theory.
He also downplays the Gordon job with a car dealership; he makes a joke out of it "why would he stay in Cleveland, to sell cars?"
Obviously, the car dealership job is/was more about endorsing the dealership & getting paid to do so. If Gordon had really "gotten a tip" that he'd be let back in the league, he could have just stayed in Cleveland without going through the charade of getting a car salesman job. The fact that he took the job is better evidence that he didn't "get a tip" than that he did, but the author spins it in a way to fit his pre-conceived theory.
The author also suggests that Gordon should sue if he's reinstated, because if a new policy is passed, than he didn't really fail. That's ridiculous. When Gordon failed, the NFL limit was 15; he pissed a 16. He failed. If a new policy is enacted, it doesn't change the fact that he failed. That's just a stupid argument. When the NFL enacted new rules making it illegal to hit QBs in the head and at the knees, did they go back and fine all the players who had done so the previous season?
He also suggests that the NFL should count his missed game in week 1 as his DUI (or part of it) suspension. Why? Because he's Josh Gordon? Do Welker, Mathis, Scandrick, etc get a 1 game "get out of suspension" card if their suspensions are revoked? It's another stupid argument. They were suspended for violating a valid rule. IF the rule changes, and IF they get their suspensions lifted, they should be grateful that they got lucky.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Yeah there's zero meat to the article. Just sounds like an optimistic Browns fan. Hope we get a definite answer on the suspensions soon one way or the other.
agreed. I find myself checking this thread, hoping for news, and have to spend more time checking & verifying the "news" that is reported/posted than I'd have spend searching for it myself.
Yeah there's zero meat to the article. Just sounds like an optimistic Browns fan. Hope we get a definite answer on the suspensions soon one way or the other.
I seem to be addicted though, I can't resist clicking on the thread.
ESPN Cleveland calls Josh Gordon's reinstatement to the NFL "inevitable."
To be clear, ESPN Cleveland has no sources on this and is merely speculating. But a deal between the NFL and the union on a new drug policy could come as soon as this week. As part of that deal, players recently suspended for violations (that would no longer warrant suspensions) are expected to get their bans retroactively reduced or repealed. Gordon would still be facing a two-game suspension for the DWI he got on July 5, but the union doesn't want punishment until due process as part of the new pact. The Browns have not cleaned out Gordon's locker since his 16-game suspension was announced.
To be clear, ESPN Cleveland has no sources on this and is merely speculating. But a deal between the NFL and the union on a new drug policy could come as soon as this week. As part of that deal, players recently suspended for violations (that would no longer warrant suspensions) are expected to get their bans retroactively reduced or repealed. Gordon would still be facing a two-game suspension for the DWI he got on July 5, but the union doesn't want punishment until due process as part of the new pact. The Browns have not cleaned out Gordon's locker since his 16-game suspension was announced.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I was wondering if he had some kind of health issue. He looked like he aged 10 years during the offseason and was practically incoherent.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I didn't draft him, but I don't begrudge whoever took the risk (in my case it's my division rival) seeing any reward out of it.
You've made this claim (or similar ones) several times. Are you saying we're in the 9th inning now?The Gordon-owners party starts later tonight.
Coincidentally, the Sore VJay convention ( non owners) starts at the same time.
If not decision comes today (or it's not the one you want), will you say we are in extra innings then?
please tell me you are just 
I would be annoyed if he was acquired last week via FCFS waivers. Thankfully, my league drafted Wed and our rosters are locked till tonight. Thus, everyone will get a fair shot at him during blind bidding.
JaxBill
Footballguy
This.
Especially if they reinstate him only to say, "Your hearing for the DWI will be next week".
shoecrew22
Footballguy
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Not sure if you are serious here, but...
Just an FYI. In most leagues. You can't claim a player off waivers that you dropped.
I Am the Stig
Footballguy
In Yahoo, it isn't a rule but a setting. I think 24 hours has to pass before you can pick up the player you dropped. But you can pick them back up.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Maybe it's just from playing yahoo leagues all my life. It's always been a default setting in yahoo.So here's the first time you've heard of it and I will edit my word choice to "some leagues".
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VikingFrog
Footballguy
You cannot put a waiver claim on anyone you sent to waivers. You can only pick him up after he clears.
When I said this, it was in response to getting a deal done in time for the suspended players to play 16 games. I already won that bet.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I have no idea what this is all about - but I must say it makes you look like you are about 10...
shoecrew22
Footballguy
Yeah that is news to me, it let me "Enter it in" so if someone below me on WW priority grabs him and they get him over me I will be okay. Especially if Gordon gets to play. Ive made bigger mistakes in FF lol..
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
I'm outraged at Gordon's continual drug use and disregard for the rules and do not want his suspension lifted.....He has made a mockery of the NFL and by going soft on him ruins the leagues image........ the Ray Rice outrage effect.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
Fiancee's team?
Got a feeling the NFL will try to pass this drug bill today to get the Ray Rice stuff off the front page. The NFL and Goodell are getting crushed by this. Its disaster Recovery rule 1. Distraction. the wag the dog policy . Create a new story to supersede the previous one. And what could make the news even bigger. Reinstatement of Welker and Gordon. Again this is just a thought I have and not based on any thing I read. Just more reason for the NFL to get this done ASAP. They need some good news.
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