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Yeah, Gordon hasn't been on any of my Dynasty waivers ever, that I can remember. He's certainly been passed around as a throw in trade piece as previous owners got sick of waiting, but someone has always been willing to hold the ticket, it seems.

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3 hours ago, squistion said:

Trevor Sikkema‏ @TampaBayTre 14h14 hours ago

Josh Gordon is younger than Kelvin Benjamin, Tavon Austin, T.Y. Hilton

and Alshon Jeffery.

And done more blow than all of them combined.

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26 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

And done more blow than all of them combined.

And done more yard and TD's than some of them combined. 

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7 minutes ago, Scooby1974 said:

And done more yard and TD's than some of them combined. 

Actually he hasn't done more yards and TDs than any of them individually.  Only has Benjamin on the yards by a couple of hundred.

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BassNBrew @ Bassnbrew 0h14 hours ago 

Josh Gordon is younger than BassNBrew, Randy Moss, and every NFL head coach.

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TheFrankman @aTheFrankmanJoint just now 

Josh Gordon has been to rehab more than every current NFL head coach combined.

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I was lucky to get this guy with 82% of FAAB.

This pretty much locks in my 8-0 team to finish out undefeated.

This guy is younger than Antonio Brown and should produce on the same level.

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:lol: The sarcastic hype in here.

 

ETA: Love the "JG is younger than ____!" shtick. Keep it coming.

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49 minutes ago, BassNBrew said:

Actually he hasn't done more yards and TDs than any of them individually.  Only has Benjamin on the yards by a couple of hundred.

We got 411 pages "saying otherwise". ;)  The football savior will be here in 5 weeks!!!!!

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When I found out he was younger than Dante Stallworth, I immediately traded my buddy LeShon McCoy and Mike Evans for him. 

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Questions:

Was anybody in front office leadership or on the Browns coaching staff three years ago?

Are the Browns a competent offense?

Do the Browns have a quartback who can get him the ball?

Are you going to start him right out of the gate in the final regular season FF Week?

Knowns:

Succeeded in 2013 primarily on physical dominance because of his rare combination of strength, speed, & agility.

Is not a good route runner.

When he last played (2014) he didn’t know the playbook.

 

 

Worth a flyer but personally I’m happy with the production I’m getting out of my current WR corps.

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8 minutes ago, BobbyLayne said:

Questions:

Was anybody in front office leadership or on the Browns coaching staff three years ago?

Are the Browns a competent offense?

Do the Browns have a quartback who can get him the ball?

Are you going to start him right out of the gate in the final regular season FF Week?

Knowns:

Succeeded in 2013 primarily on physical dominance because of his rare combination of strength, speed, & agility.

Is not a good route runner.

When he last played (2014) he didn’t know the playbook.

 

 

Worth a flyer but personally I’m happy with the production I’m getting out of my current WR corps.

Coleman seemed to start off ok before he got hurt.

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5 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

The best WR in the NFL, the day he steps back on the field

Too bad he's still in Cleveland though, the team that desperately needs a better QB but can't be bothered to fill out the paperwork for one.

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He’s a no brainer pickup for teams that are going to get a bye in the playoffs. Those teams will have two weeks to see where he stands before deciding if they should use him in the playoffs or not.

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Wasn't interested at all, but then I saw that Chuck Norris wishes he was as young as Josh Gordon.

Now I'm all in!

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2 hours ago, Soulfly3 said:

The best WR in the NFL, the day he steps back on the field

Unfortunately with the worst QB in the league in Kizer.

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4 hours ago, packer_junkie said:

Last pre-season. Unguardable

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmOY7MfEYNQ

Completely forgot he played pre-season last year. It's just preseason but still alot better than no football at all these past three years. He's still available in my league and I've been on the fence since yesterday. **** it I'm going to pick him up in redraft.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SkippaDaFlippa said:

Completely forgot he played pre-season last year. It's just preseason but still alot better than no football at all these past three years. He's still available in my league and I've been on the fence since yesterday. **** it I'm going to pick him up in redraft.

 

 

Yep - it’s why I wasted a 6th round pick on him. :doh: 

it was also preseason. Never read into preseason that much. Especially for a guy who hasn’t seen an NFL DB in a year & a half.  

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If you bother coming into this thread, and he's still available, you should own him. If you already own him and you're in this thread, you should hold him. I think I cut a guy like perine to pick him up (for the second time this year, and probably fifth time in three years). If there's an ounce of interest in his upside, I'm don't see what's to debate. Take the flyer. Hold. 

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17 hours ago, Football Jones said:

Gordon has nobody to blame but himself, but it's shocking to hear how much he was enabled at Baylor. A coach shows him how to pass a drug test? LOL. You have to be kidding me.

He bared all in that documentary. I think you have to root for this kid.

:unsure:

What kind of documentary was this???

Coincidentally, Soulfly bared all when he heard Gordon was reinstated.

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Man be stepping foot into the Browns meeting rooms very shortly.

The dark cloud of depression over Berea will soon be filled with sunshine.

Gordon + Coleman + Crow + Duke + Njoku + DeValve = Good offense.

Gordon + Coleman + Crow + Duke + Njoku + DeValve = QB actually has someone to utilize

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21 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

Man be stepping foot into the Browns meeting rooms very shortly.

And suddenly the Brown's facility smells like a Sublime concert.

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17 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

And suddenly the Brown's facility smells like a Sublime concert.

Smells like Timelessness and continued success despite a rocky past? 

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19 minutes ago, Soulfly3 said:

Smells like Timelessness and continued success despite a rocky past? 

Some would debate the inclusion of the word 'continued'. Not much success with this guy. His life is one of one good year and failure after failure. Better description might be 'Smells like fifth chances and hopefully some maturity and intelligence'

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they sound thrilled to have him back

 

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“We’ve been informed of the league’s decision to reinstate Josh. The personal well-being of all our players is of the utmost importance to us,” Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown said.

“We respect and commend Josh for taking the steps necessary to have the opportunity to return to the league. Josh will be in our building in the coming days and we look forward to having him back and sitting with him to discuss his future on our team.” 

 

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Josh-Gordon-conditionally-reinstated-potential-impact-to-be-determined-in-coming-weeks/7710a296-f5b8-4278-a2e3-b6db1be9544c

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23 hours ago, NREC34 said:

He's my Verlander come playoff time

the last piece of an unbeatable juggernaut 

How many wins did Verlander get in the WS? 

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14 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

How many wins did Verlander get in the WS? 

But you don't understand. Josh Gordon is younger than Justin Verlander.

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Ok, I am give Josh Gordon one more chance....(record skips)....Ok, I am give Josh Gordon one more chance

Seriously rooting for him as it would be a sweet comeback story. Guy is an alien on the field with rare abilities. I am also curious how the Brown's handle this situation. The uniqueness of the situation seems to be above their paygrade and capabilities to solve. Would love to see him be able to escape to a better environment. Andy Reid seems  like the kind of guy that would be willing to take a shot on him. Until resolved I will be dreaming of Mahomes to Gordon. Of course step one is for him to get back on the field again without incident. 

Inspire us Josh!

 

 

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3 hours ago, iamkoza said:

Did we expect them to say, "awww #### this guy is back again? " ???

Why are people always kind of encouraged/surprised to see coaches, teams talk positively about the next man up, or a guy coming to their team, etc? 

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10 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Did we expect them to say, "awww #### this guy is back again? " ???

Why are people always kind of encouraged/surprised to see coaches, teams talk positively about the next man up, or a guy coming to their team, etc? 

I think that was sarcasm, Dr. Dan. They don't sound thrilled at all.  

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38 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Did we expect them to say, "awww #### this guy is back again? " ???

Why are people always kind of encouraged/surprised to see coaches, teams talk positively about the next man up, or a guy coming to their team, etc? 

I have him and still contemplating.  But think I want off this train.  5 weeks holding a roster spot.

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2 minutes ago, steelwind said:

I have him and still contemplating.  But think I want off this train.  5 weeks holding a roster spot.

That's the problem. And then do you feel confident starting him week 1 of the playoffs? I wouldn't. Week 2? I still don't know if I would. Then would you base your championship on it? No way. 

Dynasty this is an interesting situation... I dont envy the guy who has him rostered in my league. I think this is just an entertaining situation to watch. 

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

That's the problem. And then do you feel confident starting him week 1 of the playoffs? I wouldn't. Week 2? I still don't know if I would. Then would you base your championship on it? No way. 

Dynasty this is an interesting situation... I dont envy the guy who has him rostered in my league. I think this is just an entertaining situation to watch. 

I have the same set of concerns.  I believe in his talent.  I don’t like the situation.  I believe the Browns will move on from him.  The trade deadline passed they have no incentive to give him meaningful snaps.  Their guy is Coleman who they drafted in the first.  And he is servicible enough to develop along with Kizer.  I don’t think we are out of the woods.  Cleveland is where the same drug connections Josh has.  I only feel better about this if I knew the Browns assigned a personal counselor employed full time to guide him.

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6 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

That's the problem. And then do you feel confident starting him week 1 of the playoffs? I wouldn't. Week 2? I still don't know if I would. Then would you base your championship on it? No way. 
 

I would look at him less as a FF starter and more as a high-upside bench stash.

If you get to the FF playoffs, then by definition you have a pretty solid team.

But anything can happen injury-wise toward the end of the season and at that point your roster is pretty well set...can't trade and WW pickups are generally tapped out.

I'm stashing as many guys like Gordon, G. Olsen, D. Henry, A. Rodgers, etc. as my roster will allow.

 

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1 hour ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

But you don't understand. Josh Gordon is younger than Justin Verlander.

Yeah but Verlander's girlfriend, Kate Upton is much hotter than Gordon's girlfriend, Soulfly.

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11 minutes ago, PhantomJB said:

I would look at him less as a FF starter and more as a high-upside bench stash.

If you get to the FF playoffs, then by definition you have a pretty solid team.

But anything can happen injury-wise toward the end of the season and at that point your roster is pretty well set...can't trade and WW pickups are generally tapped out.

I'm stashing as many guys like Gordon, G. Olsen, D. Henry, A. Rodgers, etc. as my roster will allow.

 

I get what you're saying and I know you're just listing "for instance" examples but Gordon is different from all of those guys in material ways.

I see Gordon as a distraction. It's hard enough to make weekly waiver decisions that could improve my team incrementally as it is without adding this guy to the mix. 

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Yeah but Verlander's girlfriend, Kate Upton is much hotter than Gordon's girlfriend, Soulfly.

Wrong 

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22 minutes ago, steelwind said:

I have the same set of concerns.  I believe in his talent.  I don’t like the situation.  I believe the Browns will move on from him.  The trade deadline passed they have no incentive to give him meaningful snaps.  Their guy is Coleman who they drafted in the first.  And he is servicible enough to develop along with Kizer.  I don’t think we are out of the woods.  Cleveland is where the same drug connections Josh has.  I only feel better about this if I knew the Browns assigned a personal counselor employed full time to guide him.

If they truly want to move on from him and trade him I would think they'd want to showcase him and have him put up a couple of monster games. 

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8 minutes ago, habsfan said:

I get what you're saying and I know you're just listing "for instance" examples but Gordon is different from all of those guys in material ways.

I see Gordon as a distraction. It's hard enough to make weekly waiver decisions that could improve my team incrementally as it is without adding this guy to the mix. 

It's certainly a fair point but the distraction factor IMO simply translates into a risk assessment. The talent is unquestioned and oppty will likely be there given his competition at WR.

My approach will be to stash, then monitor the practice reports to see how well he's integrating into the locker room. If he's not getting reps or otherwise is a distraction, then jettison and move onto the next WW pre-emptive pickup.

But someone in every league will scoop him up soon (if not already) so it's just one of those decisions that has to be made with incomplete information...

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, NREC34 said:

If they truly want to move on from him and trade him I would think they'd want to showcase him and have him put up a couple of monster games. 

Gordon is on the last year of his rookie deal.  In 2018 he is a restricted free agent.  The Browns either

1.  Let him take offers from other teams and match to keep him.

2.  Let him take offers from other teams and apply a tender (basically saying we want you for another year).  I doubt they want to keep him for another year.  Teams that made Gordon an offer can offer draft picks in return based on the tender.

3.  Let him take offers from other teams and let him walk.

4.  Resign him to a multi year deal.

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8 minutes ago, steelwind said:

Gordon is on the last year of his rookie deal.  In 2018 he is a restricted free agent. 

Has this been verified?  Don't you need 6 games in a season for it to count?  He'll only have 5 if he returns week 13.

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3 minutes ago, matttyl said:

Has this been verified?  Don't you need 6 games in a season for it to count?  He'll only have 5 if he returns week 13.

The games which he is suspended he won't get paid forfeiting the amount from his deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/josh-gordon-11012/

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