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The #Seahawks have claimed former #Patriots WR Josh Gordon, source said. QB Russell Wilson gets his wish.

DK and JG is the dream but JG suffers from some sort of social anxiety where he self sabotages.  

Unfortunately I think this ends like his other stops, he'll tease then disappoint and waste time/hope/effort.

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1 minute ago, Bracie Smathers said:

DK and JG is the dream but JG suffers from some sort of social anxiety where he self sabotages.  

Unfortunately I think this ends like his other stops, he'll tease then disappoint and waste time/hope/effort.

I agree.

But from a fantasy standpoint, it means yet another “sell” window has opened for owners still holding the bag.

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1 minute ago, whole-show said:

Seahawks claimed Gordon 

This is a kind of weird move.   The Seahawks shy away from controversy in the locker room and preach competition in practices.   The Pats said part of the reason for Gordon's release was that he had a poor work ethic.   Also, the Seahawks only throw 25 or so times a game.   If you target Lockett 8-10 times, Metcalf 4-5 times, and the RB 5 times, you only have a handful of targets left.   

He doesn't seem to fit a need or the character of this team.

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I hear pete carroll is already praising his work ethic, grasp of the playbook, and is predicting a 2019 pro bowl appearance 

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Rotoworld:

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Seahawks claimed WR Josh Gordon off waivers from the Patriots.

Coach Pete Carroll said, "He’s a unique talent. Next week we’ll take a look and see what he looks like." Gordon is apparently healthy after being released from the injured reserve list by the Patriots, although he won't suit up Sunday against the Buccaneers. Tyler Lockett is safe in the slot, while electric rookie D.K. Metcalf figures to continue to see a majority of reps in 2-WR sets. Gordon's presence will most likely relegate David Moore and Jaron Brown to the bench. Flash is far from washed; he demonstrated some elite contested-catch ability and made plenty of solid plays after the catch in six games with the Patriots this season. Still, the Seahawks' run-first offense will struggle to enable more than one or two consistent fantasy WRs more weeks than not.

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SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter.

Nov 1, 2019, 4:54 PM ET

 

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2 minutes ago, Absolutely Nothing said:

Hey, if it doesn't work out, at least he can relax and smoke some grass legally.

Was thinking the same, but weed is legal in Massachusetts too.

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I'm pretty surprised he made it all the way to Seattle, who had, I believe the 26th waiver priority. 

Gordon is a no-risk, high reward flier, for a team with maybe the most organizational stability west of NE. 

Fantasy wise, this is probably mostly a benefit for Russell Wilson, as Gordon should at the very least, be an upgrade from Jaron Brown. In theory, this could hurt Metcalf and even Lockett slightly, depending on how involved Gordon becomes. 

Probably a slight boost to Carson as well, as adding another WR threat, could open some more space, and lead to more GL chances.

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Apparently it was Wilson pushing for this.

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4 minutes ago, travdogg said:

I'm pretty surprised he made it all the way to Seattle, who had, I believe the 26th waiver priority. 

 

28th 

 

Current NFL waiver claim priority:
1. MIA
2. CIN
3. WAS
4. ATL
5. NYJ
6. NYG
7. DEN
8. TB
9. CLE
10. LAC
11. CHI
12. PIT
13. OAK
14. ARI
15. TEN
16. JAC
17. PHI
18. DET
19. CAR
20. LAR
21. DAL
22. HOU
23. KC
24. BUF
25. BAL
26. IND
27. MIN
28. SEA
29. GB
30. NO
31. NE
32. SF

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Haven’t heard this take yet.  But Lockett and DK were not Wilson’s preferred redzone option.  It was Dissly prior to his injury.  Gordon should take targets from Brown, Moore and what Dissly left behind...including preferred redzone option as the best high ball player on the team.

WR3 at least

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11 minutes ago, steelwind said:

Haven’t heard this take yet.  But Lockett and DK were not Wilson’s preferred redzone option.  It was Dissly prior to his injury.  Gordon should take targets from Brown, Moore and what Dissly left behind...including preferred redzone option as the best high ball player on the team.

WR3 at least

Metcalf had more RZ targets than Dissley when they were both playing. 

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Nobody thinks there has to be a shoe about to drop?  If he's healthy why would the Patriots release him?  Why would he be passed up by 27 teams who could have him for free?  Something stinks.  And again, he hasn't gone a year without failing a drug test since 10th grade.

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7 minutes ago, SCT said:

Nobody thinks there has to be a shoe about to drop?  If he's healthy why would the Patriots release him?  Why would he be passed up by 27 teams who could have him for free?  Something stinks.  And again, he hasn't gone a year without failing a drug test since 10th grade.

Almost everybody thinks there is a shoe to drop. Proceed with utmost caution. I won't be picking him up in any leagues. Chris Conley is worth more as a flier in Jax than Gordon in Seattle.

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Other thing is Seahawks covet draft picks.   Heard on the radio today that if Gordon can make it through this season without getting suspended, he'll be an unrestricted free agent.   Seahawks could end up with compensatory pick in exchange for the million or so that they'll pay on the rest of this year's contract.  

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This just seems to muddy the waters for the targets there.  Gordon probably doesn't rise to the level of startable, but he might drag Locket or Metcalf down a bit. 

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21 minutes ago, SCT said:

Nobody thinks there has to be a shoe about to drop?  If he's healthy why would the Patriots release him?  Why would he be passed up by 27 teams who could have him for free?  Something stinks.  And again, he hasn't gone a year without failing a drug test since 10th grade.

The scuttlebutt in town is that JG was having some periods where his whereabouts were unknown, he was late to team functions, and he did not respond to communication right away. Apparently that went against what the team set up for him and they didn’t like it. Coupled with what had been called a decline in work ethic and a drop in production, that was enough for them to move on. Whether that happened or not is anyone’s guess. That doesn’t mean he had a relapse, but it sounds like he wasn’t sticking to the framework that the Pats had set up for him. That’s the story currently circulating. I always take some of that with a grain of salt, as Boston is notorious for kicking a guy AFTER he moved on not while he was there. 

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Pretty run first team for him to end up on… I think he may be sprinkled in a couple of shots again, but I find it very difficult to imagine that this will be the second coming of the legend that is josh Gordon.

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48 minutes ago, kittenmittens said:

This just seems to muddy the waters for the targets there.  Gordon probably doesn't rise to the level of startable, but he might drag Locket or Metcalf down a bit. 

I doubt it. I’m fairly confident that in the majority of sets the Seahawks run it will be Metcalf and Tyler Lockett on the field.

Gordon seems like he may have a role as a deep target in three wide receiver sets if and when the Seahawks are playing from behind, but he also may simply be a decoy to take some of the attention off of Lockett & Metcalf.

maybe I’m way way off here, but I’m not seeing a major role for Josh Gordon. Unless the Seahawks completely change their offense of philosophy, or if they use him as a tight end with the loss of Dissly… But those seem like longshots.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

He will mosy likely get cut from 

Seattle just like everywhere else

Ya I agree, he hasn't made it a year without failing a drug test since 10th grade...However, if you have an expendable drop why not stash him?  May get a good week or two out of him.  But the Patriots would have kept him if that was likeliy.  I dropped Stills to pick him up on a short bench (I have Nuk and don't like starting both).

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37 minutes ago, Faust said:

Article paints a pretty rosy picture, but totally dependent on Gordon's willingness to work hard find his passion for football. Maybe the "Patriot way" just wasn't for him... he got a taste of how quickly you go from Tom's favorite toy to slide out da way we just signed Antonio Brown. Maybe he'll just plain like it better in Seattle, maybe he'll flame out. Either way should be good for another 20 pages.

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I’m selling this as a Gordon owner first 6 weeks of the season. He had weeks given 9+ targets and was JAG. Couldn’t turn a screen into YAC. Still good physical receiver in contact. While I think he’s a valuable piece to an offense, he’s going to be a TD dependent WR4+

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11 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

Either way should be good for another 20 pages.

Ain’t that the truth. best prediction in this topic so far. 

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7 minutes ago, FitzMagee said:

I’m selling this as a Gordon owner first 6 weeks of the season. He had weeks given 9+ targets and was JAG. Couldn’t turn a screen into YAC. Still good physical receiver in contact. While I think he’s a valuable piece to an offense, he’s going to be a TD dependent WR4+

That’s my guess too. Seahawks aren’t gonna 180 on their run-first philosophy & turn into the high flying Cards with this signing, and Metcalf & Lockett aren’t coming off the field. 

for a team that primarily runs 2 wide sets, that doesn’t bode well for a huge target share for a dude like Gordon. Hell, it barely bodes well for Metcalf & Lockett without Gordon. 

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I dropped when I heard he was going to be released. If NE, who has a long history of making troubled players work, couldn't make it work for whatever reason, I'm not certain anyone else can. Even if he works out ok, he won't play this week, and it would be wise to see his workshare week 10 before starting him on your fantasy team. Then it's the fi Al stretch of our FF season. Are you willing to take a risk with him? I have better options on j bench if needed. I'd rather take a flier on a lottery ticket or position depth/handcuffs.

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4 minutes ago, 3nOut said:

I dropped when I heard he was going to be released. If NE, who has a long history of making troubled players work, couldn't make it work for whatever reason, I'm not certain anyone else can. Even if he works out ok, he won't play this week, and it would be wise to see his workshare week 10 before starting him on your fantasy team. Then it's the fi Al stretch of our FF season. Are you willing to take a risk with him? I have better options on j bench if needed. I'd rather take a flier on a lottery ticket or position depth/handcuffs.

This. 

with one caveat: he’ll catch a single 60+ yard TD, we’ll have 5 pages of “OMG HE’S BACK!” discussion, and everyone will be all over him, only to see him disappear. 

i just can’t imagine there not being last letdown before all is said & done. 

it’s actually pretty sad. I thought NEP would finally bring out the best in JG. He truly seems like a nice human being & he’s had one heck of a tough run in the NFL. Whether you consider addiction self-inflicted or not, you have to feel for the dude.

it’ll make an epic 30 for 30 someday. 

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On 10/31/2019 at 7:11 PM, Ministry of Pain said:

I'm not high that teams are clamoring for this guy but we'll see. I understand why teams might want to take a look but he requires maintenance and babysitting that teams might want to pass on. Won't be shocked if he does fall down to a late grab by a playoff contender

Enter the Seahawks

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11 minutes ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Enter the Seahawks

Long time between now & the playoffs though. :shrug:

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3 hours ago, SCT said:

Nobody thinks there has to be a shoe about to drop?  If he's healthy why would the Patriots release him?  Why would he be passed up by 27 teams who could have him for free?  Something stinks.  And again, he hasn't gone a year without failing a drug test since 10th grade.

And than there’s that Bill guy in NE. He doesn’t seem to get many of these decisions wrong. 

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Gordon is fantasy football heroin for some people. They got that initial rush in 2013 and have been chasing that same "high" ever since. 2013 is a long time ago but if you want, you can easily explain or counter every "anti-Gordon" argument there is point for point and yet it's still 2019 and he's still not sniffing at 2013.

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4 hours ago, Absolutely Nothing said:

Hey, if it doesn't work out, at least he can relax and smoke some grass legally.

Yeah cause right now...based on what is coming out of NE. He is smoking grass and relaxing. Late to meetings, not reachable, ot going full effort in practice. yeah...keep hitting that bong Josh. 

This guy is a freaking turd of a professional. I am stunned the Seahawks are bringing him in. But I can’t stand that team anyway. 

 

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4 hours ago, Dez said:

28th 

 

Current NFL waiver claim priority:
1. MIA
2. CIN
3. WAS
4. ATL
5. NYJ
6. NYG
7. DEN
8. TB
9. CLE
10. LAC
11. CHI
12. PIT
13. OAK
14. ARI
15. TEN
16. JAC
17. PHI
18. DET
19. CAR
20. LAR
21. DAL
22. HOU
23. KC
24. BUF
25. BAL
26. IND
27. MIN
28. SEA
29. GB
30. NO
31. NE
32. SF

Hou should have jumped all over it

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He finally has landed in a spot where he can succeed. It's hard to blame him for how things have panned out to this point, but it is easy to see why this time it will be different. 

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4 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said:

Probably the best spot for his skill set and to see field immediately. 

How so? They’re a run-1st team that plays in predominantly 2-WR sets.

I’d look at Jaron Brown’s usage for a likely Indicator of how much he’ll see the field. :shrug:

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10 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

He finally has landed in a spot where he can succeed. It's hard to blame him for how things have panned out to this point, but it is easy to see why this time it will be different. 

It is? Perhaps I’m missing something. Can you explain the ease with which he should be expected to succeed in SEA?  :unsure:

unless this was absolutely brilliant sarcasm, in which case, well played my friend. Well played. 

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2 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

It is? Perhaps I’m missing something. Can you explain the ease with which he should be expected to succeed in SEA?  :unsure:

unless this was absolutely brilliant sarcasm, in which case, well played my friend. Well played. 

If Russell Wilson throws 10 TDs to Gordon down the stretch here, everyone in fantasy will be kicking themselves for having missed out. 

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4 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

If Russell Wilson throws 10 TDs to Gordon down the stretch here, everyone in fantasy will be kicking themselves for having missed out. 

I feel like the word “if” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. 🤔 

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This isn't a good spot for Gordon. Run heavy team, Carroll asks his WRs to work hard. Gordon better work on his downfield blocking... I agree with the Roto take, Lockett is unaffected (operates a ton in the slot) and so is Metcalf to a degree.

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The last time this guy had anything above 800/5 was 2013. It's amazing how much buzz this guy generates based on production more than half a decade ago.  To put that in context 2013 was the year Geno Smith tied for 1st in the NFL for game winning drives back when he played for the Jets. Jamal Charles led the league in TD's. Andre Ellington had the best yards/attempt. Pierre Garcon led the league in receptions. Robert Mathis led the league in sacks.

Anyway, it's been a minute. Don't forget..... Washington was one of the first states to legalize weed and it's only a couple hour drive to Vancouver, BC. 

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