Junior McSpiffy
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Then Gordon still has career options in case the NFL doesn't think he's worth the PR risk anymore.
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WR Josh Gordon, KC (8 Viewers)
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ROYALWITCHEESE
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Thanks. I guess this is the actual source.
Does Gordon have any connection to North Carolina or Charlotte? What was he even doing there?
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loqutis
Footballguy
I've already posted twice that I feel he's toast, but the best example I can give is Josh Gordon. He already sat out a year and then the browns drafted him. He was clearly a great player. I'm not counting on him missing another year of football and bouncing back to form again.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Has anybody mentioned that Soulfly hasn't been online because he is currently online as Brewtown
Josh Gordon is done for 2014 minimum...I am not Soulfly...
I just don't think/like the BAC limit to be at .08
I also don't agree with stomping on a guy when he is going through an obvious tough period with issues.
I don't need to watch football played by the best people - I want the best players on the field...
It would have been a shame not to see LT play in the 80s
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
The main difference is that when a TIG welder or telemarketer get a DUI it's not national news, it's not on nfl network, not on the espn ticker, etc. So for the most part, no one knows about it and it doesn't reflect poorly on the company as a whole.
Peyton Marino
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Junior McSpiffy
Footballguy
Couldnt' disagree more. I think that the vitriol is a bit excessive because there are people here who are acting like drunk driving is no biggie, but I think that he has a fairly solid track record of bad decisions. The fact that a multi-million dollar career hangs in the balance just goes to highlight how poor his judgment is. If some guy risks losing his car, that's bad. But if he risks losing millions of dollars and relegates himself to a life of selling insurance or some other non-glamorous job, then it just makes the consequences of those choices that much starker in contrast. His choices are no worse than the high school dropout who does the same thing, but the judgment is worse because he has more to lose.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I agree. It should be lower.
Junior McSpiffy
Footballguy
I've still seen people lose their jobs over a DUI. Yeah, sure, they could go to another company or get a different line of work and hope to mask that detail. But when a person lives paycheck to paycheck, that's a pretty devastating chain of events for them. To me, it seems like lamenting the consequences for someone who has physical talents he uses for our entertainment is pretty selfish on the part of anyone who does that.
I never once celebrated a Leonard Little sack. Not after he got away with enough DUIs to go on the road and kill someone.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Just kind of echoing what Bronco said above but the Little situation was one of the major reasons for the the social behavior policy. This particular crime the NFL is likely to take very seriously.
cstu
Footballguy
For someone who doesn't drink much, .08 is unsafe to drive at. For Gordon it's like his first cup of coffee in the morning.
People shouldn't have to mask that detail. Big deal - people make mistakes.
Leonard Little is a different story entirely...
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Some are excusing, some are holding judgement until more is known (like myself).
Either way that's funny coming from a guy with that miserable human being Ultimate Warrior as his avi!
Junior McSpiffy
Footballguy
If by "entirely" you mean "two steps further down the road than Little," then yeah. Entirely.
And people make mistakes that prevent other people from making mistakes ever again. No biggie.
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pantherclub
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Junior McSpiffy
Footballguy
What he's saying is that him and his friends are too cheap for a cab and the law is really crimping their style.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Just curious about this - so it's not even the BAC level, it would be even if harder drugs were associated, right? Taylor did crack and maybe who knows what narcotics, and he was wrecked as a man even while he was entertaining us. Let's just say if we could do so that short of a Little situation where we know someone would actually be hurt, besides the player himself, could you see any limit being crossed as a reason to keep a player off the field?
msommer
Footballguy
Although it would be interesting to see how ole "Fountain'o'Facts" spin this to exonerate Gordon
Donsmith753
Footballguy
The attitude of certain Americans to drink driving is shocking to me.
cstu
Footballguy
Someone earlier mentioned Ricky Williams. Williams was suspended one year in April 2006 and wasn't reinstated for 18 months.
Since Williams never had a DUI, alcohol didn't become part of his testing like will happen to Gordon.
msommer
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
You can't compare American cities where you need to drive to get anywhere to Europe where you can walk down to your local pub. Not making excuses, but that's the reality.
amnesiac
beer is good
i agree. sold him and Blackmon recently. just trying to see if there were some examples that would support the view that Gordon is a dynasty buy.
just because i don't agree, doesn't mean that there may not be some validity to it.
msommer
Footballguy
Taxi down?
Even if this was in the sticks, then all the more reason for Gordon to stick to soda when out and about
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
You might want to ask Ben Roethlusberger about that.ETA - oops. Looks like I finished in 3rd place on that one.
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SaintsInDome2006
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Ha yeah there's that. - But why did he go down there in the first place? Seems a little out of his way. And he just had Fats Thomas' number handy?
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cstu
Footballguy
Millions of people have a drink or two after work and are fine driving. A 200 lb. man would need to drink 5 beers in an hour to reach .08. If you have 2 beers in an hour you are not going to be unsafe to drive.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
You guys using Ben as an example need to slow your roll. New CBA since then. Goodell still has the power, but it has been significantly curtailed--including appeals and such.
http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/storystoryId=6832575&src=desktop
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Given that a NFL owners and Roger Goodell are rewarded handsomely by the sales of alcoholic beverages, I wonder if Josh Gordon can use the "I learned it from you" defense.
SaintsInDome2006
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Yeah, I'm sure that would work. Good thinking. NFL clubs making profits from alcohol sales caused Gordon to drink, drive, and speed. Thanks, Clarence Darrow.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Louche
Footballguy
Where I live the limit is 0.2. It's real simple; if you're driving you don't touch alcohol. So yeah I'm also shocked by how common it seems to be drinking and driving in the US, and the relaxed attitude that people seem to have to it. Over here it's just not something that people do at all really. But we also have much harsher penalties if you get caught.
karmarooster
Footballguy
Let's talk about "Tier-based" legal issues the same way we talk about tier-based drafting. In inverse order of significance:
Tier 1 - What you do on your own time
Tier 1 - What you do on your own time
- This tier would include things like Justin Blackmon drinking alcohol, Josh Gordon smoking weed, Lawrence Taylor smoking crack, etc. So long as it does not involve driving, weapons, the drug trade, mexican cartels, or the related, I honestly don't care what the players do on their own time. Someone's drug of choice may be different than yours, but we almost all have one (alcohol, caffeine, tobacco, pron, what have you). If there's harm associated with the drug, that's the players problem, not the league's. Category: Libertarian.
- No suspension necessary.
- Closely related to the above except that it hurts/could hurt the competitive balance of the game, and the image of the league. Players include: Stedman Bailey, Brian Cushing, the MLB. Grey areas include - Ray Lewis and his deer urine golden showers. Just the other day the story came out about A-Rod (baseball) being granted permission to take T due to his "low T." Grey areas here aren't going to away as medical science continues to progress. At some point we are going to have to get comfortable with distinguishing between legal PEDs and illegal ones. Category: Roid Rage.
- Suspension: 1/4, 1/3, 1/2, full season.
- Anything involved in tier 1 plus driving = significantly worse offense. The league has no business suspending Blackmon or Gordon for drinking or smoking while walking, but drinking or smoking while driving triggers a 100 point multiplier. It changes the issue from a Libertarian one to Social one and elevates the offense from 'do what you want on your own time' to something akin to "attempted, unintentional negligent homicide." Category: Attempted Manslaughter (there is no such thing - you can't attempt something unintentional - but that's what drinking and driving is every single time).
- Suspension: half season first time, full season second time. Applies to players as well as owners. All game checks or revenue earned during this time is donated to a taxi fund.
- A tier reserved for the lowest of the low, populated by the likes of Ray Rice and James Hardy. This is precisely the image the league wants to avoid:
- Knocking your girlfriend/fiance/wife unconscious is something you should go to jail for, not just miss 2-4 games. There is no number of Tier 1 offenses that can equal a tier 3 offense (3 joints does not equal an uppercut); the offense is orders of magnitude greater.
- Fighting bros in bars because they disrespected your crew bumps this down to a Tier 2 offense.
- Category: Jailtime.
- Suspension - first offense, one season. Second offense, lifetime ban.
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Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
I'm having a drinking game of whenever Brewtown supports .09. Then I'm going to go for a ride and see what happens.
SaintsInDome2006
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Kevrunner
Footballguy
Me too, it is not likely this was the 1st time Gordon has ever driven under the influence of alcohol and for people to take his side over this, acting like it is no biggie, is a little surprising. If you are 100% sure you are under the limit, then drive if you have to, but for any reason, you think you are close to the limit, call a cab, walk, do whatever you have to do to get home, but don't drive.
"An average drunk driver has driven drunk 80 times before first arrest. (Centers for Disease Control. “Vital Signs: Alcohol-Impaired Driving Among Adults-United States, 2010.” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. October 4, 2011.)"
I like to go out and have a few beers and/or a glass or two of wine and not have to worry about getting harassed by police about it. .08 is too low in my opinion...
I'm also not a fan of Michael Sam.
I make fun of the Amish (no iphone-really?? - no microwave??)...
I have a strong opinion and I really don't care too much about what other "righteous fighters" try and force upon me.
.08 is too low! But at least MADD and the "righteous fighters" are happy...
I'm also not a fan of Michael Sam.
I make fun of the Amish (no iphone-really?? - no microwave??)...
I have a strong opinion and I really don't care too much about what other "righteous fighters" try and force upon me.
.08 is too low! But at least MADD and the "righteous fighters" are happy...
cstu
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Not defending his actions, but statements like these are unwarranted. You've never had a discussion with this man.
Gopher State
Footballguy
it's not about football for this young man anymore, it doesn't matter if he never plays another down, what does matter is that he gets help, gets his life in order before it's to late. Football should be an after though for Gordon, getting his life back should be priority one. I wish him well on his quest.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
it was only a matter of time before this thread derailed into a discussion on the merits of drunk driving laws and how amish people should adjust to current technology.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Well look at it this way - the NFL will rule some time around or before the end of July... and then it will be a long, long time before anything else happens.
cstu
Footballguy
If you look at chart 6.1 on page 15 of this study you'll see that the relative risk of driving with a BAC lower than .02 (2 beers in 75 minutes) is only 8% higher than someone (over 21) who didn't drink at all. Risks nearly triple over .02 though.
Again, don't drink and drive but also don't beat yourself up for driving after 2 beers at Fridays.
Again, don't drink and drive but also don't beat yourself up for driving after 2 beers at Fridays.
cstu
Footballguy
Judging by the pattern of behavior during his football playing life I think it's a reasonable statement to make.
omally
Footballguy
If my mother blew a .08, she would be wasted. Some people have a low tolerance for alcohol, and that includes some men.
rdrouyn
Footballguy
You know, you could drink the couple of beers, and have some food with it, wait a couple of hours and not have to worry about it. I guess that is too difficult to some people.
biju
Footballguy
Why does everyone immediately go to "you're trying to change my opinion!"? Honestly, I don't care if you think the limit is too low, dislike gay people, or disrespect different cultures. We live in a society based upon following a set of rules our elected officials have put into place. If you are disregarding those you shouldn't be shocked if other people who follow them don't like you for it. Or at least, don't try to change their opinion on it, just as you have requested for yourself.
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