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I'm certainly not calling Sanchez a stud QB by any means (in fantasy or by NFL standards) but he came out in the draft in the same yr as Stafford and was drafted at #5 overall IIRC... his numbers surprisingly to me aren't dis-similar to Eli Manning's numbers from just a few yrs ago when Eli was in HIS third season at the age of 25 (just like Sanchez last yr) That doesn't mean that I am projecting Sanchez to become the Eli of today but I also think he has shown the talent to be able to progress to that point if given the opportunity to do so.
per profootballreference.com
Eli in 2006 in his 3rd season (age 25) in 522 pass attempts...
8-8 team record
57.7 completion %
3244 yds
24 TDs
18 INTs
6.2 Yds per Attempted pass
25 Sacks (or roughly 1 less sack per game)
9 Fumbles (1 fewer than Sanchez)
77 QB Rating
2 4th Quarter Comebacks
2 Game Winning Drives
0 Rushing TDs
*of note... this was Tiki Barber's 2127 yds from scrimmage season
Sanchez in 2011 in his 3rd season (age 25) in 543 pass attempts...
8-8 team record
56.7 completion %
3474 yds
26 TDs
18 INTs
6.4 Yds per Attempted pass
39 Sacks (or just under 1 more sack per game)
10 Fumbles (1 more than Eli)
78.2 QB Rating
4 4th Quarter Comebacks
4 Game Winning Drives
6 Rushing TDs
*of note... this was Shonn Greene's 1265 yds from scrimmage season
*of note... Sanchez was tied for the team lead with 6 rushing TDs... a number I expect to drop with the addition of Tebow.
So what are your thoughts? I realize this is a fantasy football website but I'm just curious as to the Shark Pool's opinion on Sanchize as a long term NFL answer somewhere/anywhere or just a forever unrealized QB talent in the NFL due to situation and a head coach's indifference to the QB position? What is his value in a dynasty start 1 QB league this yr? In future years?
How is the situation going to turn out this yr and where does that put Sanchez's value in the future as a franchise QB?
This is obviously a very loaded and detailed question but I'm curious because I'm trying to gauge Mark Sanchez's long term value in my main dynasty league and his value in the NFL in general...
The main factors as I see them are as follows...
The temperature around Sanchez & Rex Ryan over the years would make it seem that they haven't always seen eye to eye since Sanchez was drafted #5 overall (no link but come on if you listen to footballguys and "the network" over the yrs there have been plenty of stories to back up this pt) I believe most of this is predicated on Ryan's brashness and seemingly indifferent attitude towards offense in general and specifically towards the QB position. What would we have been saying about Sanchez if he had landed in Stafford's situation or what about Cam Newton's situation from LAST yr with an offensive coordinator that has a pulse?
Tebow-mania is a ridiculous cloud of pressure that can and probably will at some point this season take over the entire NFL landscape once again. Can Sanchez maintain through that or will he wilt? If he loses his starting job will he still be confident if and when he ever gets another chance to compete to be THE guy again?
The Jets brass also is rumored to have grown very tired of Rex's loud mouth and arrogance so he MAY certainly be on the hot seat ESPECIALLY after he was rumored to be pushing so hard to bring in Tebow even after they resigned Sanchez to a long term extension... I see it going down in 1 of 4 ways this season... feel free to give me a different scenario if you can think of one...
Sanchez keeps job... Tebow is a gadget player... Jets go to AT LEAST AFC Championship or SB... No change next yr
Sanchez keeps job... Tebow is a gadget player... Jets lose early in playoffs or miss them altogether... Coach gets fired and team hires a HC far different from Rex Ryan (maybe current Panthers OC Rob Chudzinski)... A HC that promotes a little more offense and a real QB... That new HC either deals Tebow away or releases him...
Tebow takes job... Sanchez is pissy... Jets go to AT LEAST AFC Championship or SB... Sanchez gets moved for picks or players and he goes to a team that needs a franchise caliber QB in 2013 (Arizona? Miami? Seattle with his old coach? Jacksonville? Browns? Chiefs?... yeah I'm looking at YOU Matt Cassel)
Tebow takes job... Sanchez is pissy... Jets lose early in playoffs or miss them altogether... Coach gets fired and team hires a HC far different from Rex Ryan (maybe current Panthers OC Rob Chudzinski)... A HC that promotes a little more offense and a real QB... That new HC HAS to get rid of Tebow if they want to keep Sanchez and that HC HAS to be someone that Sanchez is ok with or he STILL wont be happy...
sorry for the ridiculously long post but this situation has me really intrigued!!
thanks
per profootballreference.com
Eli in 2006 in his 3rd season (age 25) in 522 pass attempts...
8-8 team record
57.7 completion %
3244 yds
24 TDs
18 INTs
6.2 Yds per Attempted pass
25 Sacks (or roughly 1 less sack per game)
9 Fumbles (1 fewer than Sanchez)
77 QB Rating
2 4th Quarter Comebacks
2 Game Winning Drives
0 Rushing TDs
*of note... this was Tiki Barber's 2127 yds from scrimmage season
Sanchez in 2011 in his 3rd season (age 25) in 543 pass attempts...
8-8 team record
56.7 completion %
3474 yds
26 TDs
18 INTs
6.4 Yds per Attempted pass
39 Sacks (or just under 1 more sack per game)
10 Fumbles (1 more than Eli)
78.2 QB Rating
4 4th Quarter Comebacks
4 Game Winning Drives
6 Rushing TDs
*of note... this was Shonn Greene's 1265 yds from scrimmage season
*of note... Sanchez was tied for the team lead with 6 rushing TDs... a number I expect to drop with the addition of Tebow.
So what are your thoughts? I realize this is a fantasy football website but I'm just curious as to the Shark Pool's opinion on Sanchize as a long term NFL answer somewhere/anywhere or just a forever unrealized QB talent in the NFL due to situation and a head coach's indifference to the QB position? What is his value in a dynasty start 1 QB league this yr? In future years?
How is the situation going to turn out this yr and where does that put Sanchez's value in the future as a franchise QB?
This is obviously a very loaded and detailed question but I'm curious because I'm trying to gauge Mark Sanchez's long term value in my main dynasty league and his value in the NFL in general...
The main factors as I see them are as follows...
The temperature around Sanchez & Rex Ryan over the years would make it seem that they haven't always seen eye to eye since Sanchez was drafted #5 overall (no link but come on if you listen to footballguys and "the network" over the yrs there have been plenty of stories to back up this pt) I believe most of this is predicated on Ryan's brashness and seemingly indifferent attitude towards offense in general and specifically towards the QB position. What would we have been saying about Sanchez if he had landed in Stafford's situation or what about Cam Newton's situation from LAST yr with an offensive coordinator that has a pulse?
Tebow-mania is a ridiculous cloud of pressure that can and probably will at some point this season take over the entire NFL landscape once again. Can Sanchez maintain through that or will he wilt? If he loses his starting job will he still be confident if and when he ever gets another chance to compete to be THE guy again?
The Jets brass also is rumored to have grown very tired of Rex's loud mouth and arrogance so he MAY certainly be on the hot seat ESPECIALLY after he was rumored to be pushing so hard to bring in Tebow even after they resigned Sanchez to a long term extension... I see it going down in 1 of 4 ways this season... feel free to give me a different scenario if you can think of one...
Sanchez keeps job... Tebow is a gadget player... Jets go to AT LEAST AFC Championship or SB... No change next yr
Sanchez keeps job... Tebow is a gadget player... Jets lose early in playoffs or miss them altogether... Coach gets fired and team hires a HC far different from Rex Ryan (maybe current Panthers OC Rob Chudzinski)... A HC that promotes a little more offense and a real QB... That new HC either deals Tebow away or releases him...
Tebow takes job... Sanchez is pissy... Jets go to AT LEAST AFC Championship or SB... Sanchez gets moved for picks or players and he goes to a team that needs a franchise caliber QB in 2013 (Arizona? Miami? Seattle with his old coach? Jacksonville? Browns? Chiefs?... yeah I'm looking at YOU Matt Cassel)
Tebow takes job... Sanchez is pissy... Jets lose early in playoffs or miss them altogether... Coach gets fired and team hires a HC far different from Rex Ryan (maybe current Panthers OC Rob Chudzinski)... A HC that promotes a little more offense and a real QB... That new HC HAS to get rid of Tebow if they want to keep Sanchez and that HC HAS to be someone that Sanchez is ok with or he STILL wont be happy...
sorry for the ridiculously long post but this situation has me really intrigued!!
thanks