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im onboard.
really think the dimension lloyd provides outside is the difference this yr for Brady over the field.one condition: healthy gronk by season's start(starting to worry bout the ankle)No...it isn't.
James Starks still sucks.Rodgers and McCarthy have shown what they can do, with Rodgers finishing in the top 2 three straight years.Packers defense is still highly questionable.Oh yeah, add in Rodgers 300 rushing yards and 2-5 rushing touchdowns.
Not thinner then the difference between Brady and Brees.
plenty of good arguments for Rodgers, won't deny that. Just think Brady has a higher demonstrated upside, and can see a "perfect storm" in NE more than in GB.
Stafford too
I'd go Rodgers, Brady, then Brees. But it'll be pretty close total pts wise between all three of them.
Is this a homer analysis? WHY do you think its a no brainer? I just don't think its enought to say just because a guy has been top 2 in the last four really means much in comparison to the competiton. Lots of guys have been high point getter one or two years in a row. But the bigger point is: we clearly see the level that Brady has been at and he just added another weapon. What makes Rodgers still above him (if anything)?
Why would you think Rodgers would take a step back? He has all his weapons back, the O-line should remain consistant with last year- possibly a little boost, the team is still very young, and Rodgers is still fairly young.Rodgers104.1 Career Passer Rating, #1 All Time8.2 Yards per Attempt, #3 All Time65.4% Completion, #4 All Time (Brees #2 65.9)6.2% TD Per Attempt, #10 All Time1.8% Int Rate, #1 All Time251.7 Yard/Game, #5 All Time (Brees #1 264.6, Manning #2 263.6)7.04% Sack Rate, #103 All Time (Maning #2 3.1%, Brees #7 3.66%, Brady #21 4.93%)The numbers speak for themselves and while you can make an argument Brady will increase his stats you can't assume Rodgers will take a step back.Brady needs around 3.5-4 Points a game extra to catch Rodgers last year. So you are looking for him to hit a minimum of 11 extra TDs (for 50 total) and 300 Yards Passing (5,535 total), while matching his best ever 3 rushing TDs.I will say the risk is that Rodger does get injured due to getting hit, but being that he is younger he can bounce back quicker than the older QBs.
This from a 12/07/11 article by Dave MaskoNFL Traumatic Brain Injury Committee could bench Rodgers and Tebow
I certainly see the validity of your argument, but you speak of Lloyd as though his floor is a WR2. While I don't think that's too unfair, you have him ranked 32nd at the position. Do you think that Brady can be #1 QB AND Lloyd be #32 WR? That would mean some monster numbers (even more monster than 2011) from Welker and the TEs.If I totally commit to Brady being the #1 QB (and your case is certainly compelling enough to do so), I'll bump Lloyd up from the #30 WR spot at which I currently have him.Just some food for thought I suppose...
I struggle with Lloyd. I could easily see him with top 20 WR numbers, but 2/3 of his stats coming in 5 huge games. In general, WRs from about 5 to 35 are pretty tightly packed. I am about to give all of my rankings a once-over and Lloyd moving up could be part of that. great question.
I don't think Rodgers will take a step-back. I just think Brady will take a bigger step forward. As I mentioned in my first post, I just seeing this all aligning in a very rare way. You just don't see a scenario very often when you have a QB this good, surrounded by every possible position with the type of talent, and at the same time playing for a HC that refuses to let off on the gas at any point and the defense is mid-range. Its like the proverbial perfect storm coming. Just very hard to see a case where this isn't VERY favorable for Brady. If nothing else, the Pats get some sweetheart games. The Packers still ahve to contend with some better overall defenses. just my 2 cents.
I'm in this camp as well.Another thing being overlooked is that NE addressed their pass defense in the draft big time. Granted, they are rookies, but that was the biggest hole they needed filled. If they can get their opponents off the field this season, they may not need to score so much.
I do the same every time I comb through my rankings as well. He's definitely a "boom-of-bust" guy who you'd rather have playing a FLEX spot than a WR2. He is Brady's best outside guy since Moss, but when Moss had the super-huge year, the team didn't have the Gronk and Hernandez options to spread the stats around more evenly.
As far as the teams they play you can look at it this way.Both Play AFC South/NFC WestPackers- 49ers, @GiantsPatriots- @Baltimore, Denver49ers < RavensGiants > BroncosBears < JetsLions < BillsVikings > DolphinsFrom my perspective its pretty even and you can give a slight edge to the AFC East in defence at this point and time.
Fixed -Pretty sure you had these two backwards. Hell, I'd even say the 49ers are better than the Ravens, but that's splitting hairs.
I wouldn't say Dont'a Hightower will address the pass defense except as an average to good edge rusher they can use in various ways. Chandler Jones is a little bit of a project for a first round pick and will have to be coached up in the Patriots hybrid scheme. Tavon Wilson is a role player in the secondary who they overdrafted.Even if these guys impact the pass defense, I wouldnt expect it to take right away. The loss of Anderson and Carter is a bigger deal than the addition of Jones and Hightower and Wilson - at least for this year.
The Pats are still the leading candidate to land Carter. Not sure how long it takes to recover from a torn quad at 33.
Rodgers has been top 2 ever since he has started...not even close. Also, you should consider that Rodgers essentially missed two games two years ago, and missed one last year, but still came out ahead in stats. All three qbs are pretty much maxed out in offensive talent, so adding a Lloyd doesn't make too much of difference for Brady, it just takes away from others on the offense if he turns out to be great. To put Rodgers accomplishments in further perspective, I think the Packers only trailed (reg season of course) in maybe 4 quarters the entire year despite how bad their defense was. If I am picking first, Rodgers is #1, although I would be pretty happy with Brady or Brees also.'Shutout said:
Really tough to say how good any of those teams are going to be next year, due to variables. Any of those teams listed could get hot and make it to the conference championship game, even the Bills. In terms of historical performance, Rodgers wins because he can rush for tds and get you a few yards on the ground. As far as injuries go, just as Rodgers could be one concussion away from being done, Brady could be done if somebody crushes his knee. Plus, lets face it...he is 35. As we all know, your body doesn't respond as well to the aches and pains once you get into that age range.'PatsFanCT said:
To be objective I went based on bleacher report, I know not exactly the best but they projected the bills to be better than the Lions.As far as Jets vs Bears I would not put the Bears over the Jets.'PatsFanCT said:
Very debatable and impossible to prove, I would say he is one of the best ever though.
I would agree on that, but if your paying the same price go Rodgers. Like others have said, Brady, Rodgers, Brees last one of the three is really the way to go.
I know the guy specifically mentioned the draft, but that's not the only way to build a roster, obviously.like yudkin said, they're still probable to re-sign carter, they added steve gregory, fanene, trevor scott. and get ir dowling back off his redshirt year.plus, they drafted that corner who's supposedly going to jail.anyway, their defense is fairly irrelevant, so what's the point in even figuring it out.PLUS, they'll probably revert to more 3-4, like the second half of last year, and less crappy 4-3 featuring haynesworth.people are constantly peeing themselves over yardage -- the nfl doesn't score yardage like fantasy does.'Sigmund Bloom said:
I think rodgers could really spin it in a vacuum.
wtmff??what are we trying to figure out -- softer schedule?
So wouldn't that mean some one did finish ahead of Rodgers for those two seasons? I rank Rodgers as QB1 as well, but all this thread is doing is predicting Tom Brady will finish as QB1 which isn't exactly a crazy prediction.'packseasontix said:
They drafted a pass rusher and a few role players, but they also lost their best pass rusher (although they could still re-sign him).'PatsFanCT said:
I"m not buying it.look, Brady was sacked 32 times, and absorbed 69 hits last season..in 2010, he was sacked 25 times
I hear you (and a couple of other guys that posted similar). I wouldn't doubt a bit if you guys are dead on. I guess I;m just seeing it as all these things aligning and thinking:"I know if I take Rodgers, I'm safe to be top 3 and got just as good a chance as anyone to be #1" I also know if I take Brady, I'm safe to be in top 3-5, but I see an opportunity where this guy might hand 50+ TDs and have a special year. That averages out to a guy that is going to be slinging 3 or more TDs a game. Maybe its swinging for the fences but I think the floor is so high with both, that I'm intrigued to take the guy that just got a new weapon that might be the straw that breaks every defences back this year.
