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Gronkowski + Hernandez as flex (1 Viewer)

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Ryan99

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I'm sure this has been discussed, but what do you guys think of grabbing Gronk in round ~2 and Hernandez in ~5, assuming you can flex a TE? You've got your flex position filled and they handcuff each other. This seems like it makes a lot of sense if you buy into the 2nd round TE stuff and were going to take Gronkowski anyway. With the addition of Brandon Lloyd, do you think these guys will produce enough to make it worth while to start both of them on the same team?

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A little expensive. The rest of your team would suffer a little too much spending 2 high picks on TE's.

I am a little worried also about the Pats working out Plax right now. If he gets on there this would probably have a negative impact on Gronk and to a lesser extent Hernandez.

 
I think it might be an ok strategy depending upon the scoring system, the number of teams in the league, and the starting lineup requirements. That being said, neither of those two made it to the rounds you indicated in the drafts I have been involved with, so if you want to get them, you're looking more at rounds 1 and 4. At that price, that might be too steep to pay.

As for whether they will repeat last years numbers, the simple answer is probably not. Lloyd will probably take away some of targets from the TEs, but they could still put up some very nice numbers. Smart money says Gronk will score fewer TDs.

Strategically, though, I am not sure you would want to tie up your flex 4 picks into a draft, unless you find someone that fell way farther than he should have. Again, not knowing the specifics to your league, it may or may not make some sense.

 
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A little expensive. The rest of your team would suffer a little too much spending 2 high picks on TE's.I am a little worried also about the Pats working out Plax right now. If he gets on there this would probably have a negative impact on Gronk and to a lesser extent Hernandez.
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Burress was brought in to be added to the Pats emergency contact list. They regularly bring in people off the street to see what shape they are in and see if they might be a fit in an emergency. It was only noteworthy because Burress is a bigger name than most of those trying out. IMO, he was not ever really a coming in to be signed ASAP and was never a threat to anyone currently on the roster.
 
'rizzler said:
If Hernandez lasts until rnd 5, I want in your league.
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Its crazy to me that people are drafting Hernandez in even the 5th, much less earlier. He's second fiddle on a team that just got even more weapons.Anyway, if Gronk/Hernandez costs 1/4, then it doesn't make sense. Even at 2/5, its such a huge investment. The only way I could see myself doing this in a 12 team league (QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, flex) is if I had a very early pick and Gronk fell to the late 2 and Hernandez was hanging around maybe in the 6th.
 
'Ryan99 said:
'rizzler said:
If Hernandez lasts until rnd 5, I want in your league.
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Its crazy to me that people are drafting Hernandez in even the 5th, much less earlier. He's second fiddle on a team that just got even more weapons.Anyway, if Gronk/Hernandez costs 1/4, then it doesn't make sense. Even at 2/5, its such a huge investment. The only way I could see myself doing this in a 12 team league (QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, flex) is if I had a very early pick and Gronk fell to the late 2 and Hernandez was hanging around maybe in the 6th.
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Crazy to draft a guy in the 5th, who outperformed that draft spot last season? In a PPR format, Hernandez is well worth that. In 14 games he put up 79/910/7. There is a lot of talk about what Lloyd will do to the production of the TEs. My opinion: nothing. Lloyd will be the 4th option because Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez all provide bigger mismatches. The Pats were set on bringing in another pass catching TE this off-season as insurance, because they plan to keep using the TEs as they have been. And why does it matter that Hernandez is "2nd fiddle" in an offense that uses both extensively? Didn't last year show us how silly that term is, when applied to these TEs? The Pats are even using Hernandez at RB - they are going to get him the ball.
 
'Concept Coop said:
Crazy to draft a guy in the 5th, who outperformed that draft spot last season? In a PPR format, Hernandez is well worth that. In 14 games he put up 79/910/7. There is a lot of talk about what Lloyd will do to the production of the TEs. My opinion: nothing. Lloyd will be the 4th option because Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez all provide bigger mismatches. The Pats were set on bringing in another pass catching TE this off-season as insurance, because they plan to keep using the TEs as they have been. And why does it matter that Hernandez is "2nd fiddle" in an offense that uses both extensively? Didn't last year show us how silly that term is, when applied to these TEs? The Pats are even using Hernandez at RB - they are going to get him the ball.
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Witten put up 79/942/5 and is going almost in the 7th, with Dallas losing their best second-half receiver from last year. People have been suggesting taking Hernandez in the 4th. The thing I worry about is that Hernandez will be boom or bust, and I'd like consistency out of my 4/5 guy. Also, teams are going to be ready for the 2 tight end Pats this year, which probably means Belichick will surprise them by doing something else. The only thing I ever count on from NE is that Brady will be amazing. I'm not saying you're crazy for drafting Hernandez in the 5th (wait, I did say that, sorry), but I think he's a lot less of a lock than people think. If Belichick can follow up a Randy Moss season of 98/1493/23! with 69/1008/11 (Brady hurt) and 83/1264/13, I don't see how anyone can every be confident in any Pats player other than the Golden Boy.
 
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'Ryan99 said:
'Concept Coop said:
Crazy to draft a guy in the 5th, who outperformed that draft spot last season? In a PPR format, Hernandez is well worth that. In 14 games he put up 79/910/7. There is a lot of talk about what Lloyd will do to the production of the TEs. My opinion: nothing. Lloyd will be the 4th option because Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez all provide bigger mismatches. The Pats were set on bringing in another pass catching TE this off-season as insurance, because they plan to keep using the TEs as they have been. And why does it matter that Hernandez is "2nd fiddle" in an offense that uses both extensively? Didn't last year show us how silly that term is, when applied to these TEs? The Pats are even using Hernandez at RB - they are going to get him the ball.
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Witten put up 79/942/5 and is going almost in the 7th, with Dallas losing their best second-half receiver from last year. People have been suggesting taking Hernandez in the 4th. The thing I worry about is that Hernandez will be boom or bust, and I'd like consistency out of my 4/5 guy. Also, teams are going to be ready for the 2 tight end Pats this year, which probably means Belichick will surprise them by doing something else. The only thing I ever count on from NE is that Brady will be amazing. I'm not saying you're crazy for drafting Hernandez in the 5th (wait, I did say that, sorry), but I think he's a lot less of a lock than people think. If Belichick can follow up a Randy Moss season of 98/1493/23! with 69/1008/11 (Brady hurt) and 83/1264/13, I don't see how anyone can every be confident in any Pats player other than the Golden Boy.
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Witten is going 6.04 and climbing. He's one of the more criminally underrated TE's in the game, and in any shark league will be taken earlier than that
 
'rizzler said:
Witten is going 6.04 and climbing. He's one of the more criminally underrated TE's in the game, and in any shark league will be taken earlier than that
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I recently took Witten at 6.10 in a 12 team league. I promise you it was a shark league. Like any other position, it depends on how everyone projects each player as to where he should be drafted. Even though I have Witten, I am not expecting a lot of TDs, as that has not ever been his strong suit. Given that it's a 0 ppr league, I think I would rather have had someone else in that spot. Others will say he fell too far, so clearly it's a personal preference as to if someone is a value or not. Witten should be ok and I doubt I will win or lose games because of him. In a 12 team league, I see him as an average TE starter.
 
'David Yudkin said:
'rizzler said:
Witten is going 6.04 and climbing. He's one of the more criminally underrated TE's in the game, and in any shark league will be taken earlier than that
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I recently took Witten at 6.10 in a 12 team league. I promise you it was a shark league. Like any other position, it depends on how everyone projects each player as to where he should be drafted. Even though I have Witten, I am not expecting a lot of TDs, as that has not ever been his strong suit. Given that it's a 0 ppr league, I think I would rather have had someone else in that spot. Others will say he fell too far, so clearly it's a personal preference as to if someone is a value or not. Witten should be ok and I doubt I will win or lose games because of him. In a 12 team league, I see him as an average TE starter.
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average starter?over the past 5yrs he's averaged 1014yds and 5tds per season. Not many TE's can boast the same consistency. I dont see how he's "average" in any way.
 
'Ryan99 said:
. I'm not saying you're crazy for drafting Hernandez in the 5th (wait, I did say that, sorry), but I think he's a lot less of a lock than people think.
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Didn't you start this topic, suggesting that you were considering taking him the 5th to start in your flex spot? - Now you are arguing he's not worth a 5th round pick to fill someone's TE spot? :confused:
 
'Dr. Octopus said:
Didn't you start this topic, suggesting that you were considering taking him the 5th to start in your flex spot? - Now you are arguing he's not worth a 5th round pick to fill someone's TE spot? :confused:
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There's a difference between taking Hernandez in the 5th by himself, and taking Gronk and Hernandez. I wasn't initially taking a stand one way or another, I just wanted to know what people thought of doubling up on the Pats TEs. The thread has since morphed into a Hernandez conversation, and I'm not sold on him as a 5th rounder.
 
'rizzler said:
'David Yudkin said:
'rizzler said:
Witten is going 6.04 and climbing. He's one of the more criminally underrated TE's in the game, and in any shark league will be taken earlier than that
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I recently took Witten at 6.10 in a 12 team league. I promise you it was a shark league. Like any other position, it depends on how everyone projects each player as to where he should be drafted. Even though I have Witten, I am not expecting a lot of TDs, as that has not ever been his strong suit. Given that it's a 0 ppr league, I think I would rather have had someone else in that spot. Others will say he fell too far, so clearly it's a personal preference as to if someone is a value or not. Witten should be ok and I doubt I will win or lose games because of him. In a 12 team league, I see him as an average TE starter.
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average starter?over the past 5yrs he's averaged 1014yds and 5tds per season. Not many TE's can boast the same consistency. I dont see how he's "average" in any way.
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Average FANTASY starter. Meaning like TE6 or TE7 . . . several guys will be starting each week better than him and roughly an even amount will be starting worse than him. Last year he ranked 6th. Over the past 3 years combined, he's ranked 7th in ppg by TEs (0 ppr). I would rather have Gronk, Graham, Hernandez, Davis, and Gates over him at this point and maybe even Finley. So yes, in 0 ppr leagues, Witten should be consisdered an average starter (in the middle of the weekly starters in a 12 team league).
 
'David Yudkin said:
'rizzler said:
'David Yudkin said:
'rizzler said:
Witten is going 6.04 and climbing. He's one of the more criminally underrated TE's in the game, and in any shark league will be taken earlier than that
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I recently took Witten at 6.10 in a 12 team league. I promise you it was a shark league. Like any other position, it depends on how everyone projects each player as to where he should be drafted. Even though I have Witten, I am not expecting a lot of TDs, as that has not ever been his strong suit. Given that it's a 0 ppr league, I think I would rather have had someone else in that spot. Others will say he fell too far, so clearly it's a personal preference as to if someone is a value or not. Witten should be ok and I doubt I will win or lose games because of him. In a 12 team league, I see him as an average TE starter.
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average starter?over the past 5yrs he's averaged 1014yds and 5tds per season. Not many TE's can boast the same consistency. I dont see how he's "average" in any way.
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Average FANTASY starter. Meaning like TE6 or TE7 . . . several guys will be starting each week better than him and roughly an even amount will be starting worse than him. Last year he ranked 6th. Over the past 3 years combined, he's ranked 7th in ppg by TEs (0 ppr). I would rather have Gronk, Graham, Hernandez, Davis, and Gates over him at this point and maybe even Finley. So yes, in 0 ppr leagues, Witten should be consisdered an average starter (in the middle of the weekly starters in a 12 team league).
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Well, like you said... To each their own. V Davis imo is a much better athlete, but not a consistent Fantasy factor like Witten is. Same with Finley. Id take Witten over both personally. In fact, Id take Witten over Hernandez as well.Dont like the 'boys at all... but Witten is the #4 TE on my board (0ppr). And will remain there, barring injury.
 
'Ryan99 said:
'Dr. Octopus said:
Didn't you start this topic, suggesting that you were considering taking him the 5th to start in your flex spot? - Now you are arguing he's not worth a 5th round pick to fill someone's TE spot? :confused:
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There's a difference between taking Hernandez in the 5th by himself, and taking Gronk and Hernandez. I wasn't initially taking a stand one way or another, I just wanted to know what people thought of doubling up on the Pats TEs. The thread has since morphed into a Hernandez conversation, and I'm not sold on him as a 5th rounder.
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Yes there is a difference. I makes much more sense to take him in the 5th as your starting TE, then to take him in the 5th as your second TE, forcing him into the flex spot.
 
'rizzler said:
'David Yudkin said:
'rizzler said:
'David Yudkin said:
'rizzler said:
Witten is going 6.04 and climbing. He's one of the more criminally underrated TE's in the game, and in any shark league will be taken earlier than that
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I recently took Witten at 6.10 in a 12 team league. I promise you it was a shark league. Like any other position, it depends on how everyone projects each player as to where he should be drafted. Even though I have Witten, I am not expecting a lot of TDs, as that has not ever been his strong suit. Given that it's a 0 ppr league, I think I would rather have had someone else in that spot. Others will say he fell too far, so clearly it's a personal preference as to if someone is a value or not. Witten should be ok and I doubt I will win or lose games because of him. In a 12 team league, I see him as an average TE starter.
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average starter?over the past 5yrs he's averaged 1014yds and 5tds per season. Not many TE's can boast the same consistency. I dont see how he's "average" in any way.
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Average FANTASY starter. Meaning like TE6 or TE7 . . . several guys will be starting each week better than him and roughly an even amount will be starting worse than him. Last year he ranked 6th. Over the past 3 years combined, he's ranked 7th in ppg by TEs (0 ppr). I would rather have Gronk, Graham, Hernandez, Davis, and Gates over him at this point and maybe even Finley. So yes, in 0 ppr leagues, Witten should be consisdered an average starter (in the middle of the weekly starters in a 12 team league).
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Well, like you said... To each their own. V Davis imo is a much better athlete, but not a consistent Fantasy factor like Witten is. Same with Finley. Id take Witten over both personally. In fact, Id take Witten over Hernandez as well.Dont like the 'boys at all... but Witten is the #4 TE on my board (0ppr). And will remain there, barring injury.
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Since joining the NFL, Hernandez has averaged 8.39 fantasy ppg but is trending up. In the past 3 years, Davis has averaged 8.81 ppg. Next is Witten at 8.19. Finley is the last of that group at 7.62, but I guess he will get some more red zone looks this year than previously. Witten has averaged only 4.5 TD a season, which in a 0 ppr league is concerning. You say 4th, I say 6th. It's not that much difference . . . but in terms of fantasy scoring it may not be much difference at all, which is why I think I should have taken someone else and waited for another TE a few rounds later that is in the same scoring range as Witten.
 
'Ryan99 said:
'Concept Coop said:
Crazy to draft a guy in the 5th, who outperformed that draft spot last season? In a PPR format, Hernandez is well worth that. In 14 games he put up 79/910/7. There is a lot of talk about what Lloyd will do to the production of the TEs. My opinion: nothing. Lloyd will be the 4th option because Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez all provide bigger mismatches. The Pats were set on bringing in another pass catching TE this off-season as insurance, because they plan to keep using the TEs as they have been. And why does it matter that Hernandez is "2nd fiddle" in an offense that uses both extensively? Didn't last year show us how silly that term is, when applied to these TEs? The Pats are even using Hernandez at RB - they are going to get him the ball.
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Witten put up 79/942/5 and is going almost in the 7th, with Dallas losing their best second-half receiver from last year. People have been suggesting taking Hernandez in the 4th. The thing I worry about is that Hernandez will be boom or bust, and I'd like consistency out of my 4/5 guy. Also, teams are going to be ready for the 2 tight end Pats this year, which probably means Belichick will surprise them by doing something else. The only thing I ever count on from NE is that Brady will be amazing. I'm not saying you're crazy for drafting Hernandez in the 5th (wait, I did say that, sorry), but I think he's a lot less of a lock than people think. If Belichick can follow up a Randy Moss season of 98/1493/23! with 69/1008/11 (Brady hurt) and 83/1264/13, I don't see how anyone can every be confident in any Pats player other than the Golden Boy.
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Witten's value is another conversation, and I agree the 7th is way too low. As for the Patriots offense, I think you are being a bit irrational here. The Patriots were one of the best offenses last year - a good jump from everyone but GB, NO. You think it is logical for them to start making major changes? And how is it any more logical for defenses to "figure out" the two TE offense? You think people can some how slow down Hernandez and Gronkowski becuase they now - after two seasons - realize they will both be on the field at the same time? Moss and Welker were both consistant year to year (when healthy for the Patriots. I don't think there is any reason to think that Gronk and Hernandez can't be as well.
 
'Concept Coop said:
'Ryan99 said:
'Concept Coop said:
Crazy to draft a guy in the 5th, who outperformed that draft spot last season? In a PPR format, Hernandez is well worth that. In 14 games he put up 79/910/7. There is a lot of talk about what Lloyd will do to the production of the TEs. My opinion: nothing. Lloyd will be the 4th option because Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez all provide bigger mismatches. The Pats were set on bringing in another pass catching TE this off-season as insurance, because they plan to keep using the TEs as they have been. And why does it matter that Hernandez is "2nd fiddle" in an offense that uses both extensively? Didn't last year show us how silly that term is, when applied to these TEs? The Pats are even using Hernandez at RB - they are going to get him the ball.
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Witten put up 79/942/5 and is going almost in the 7th, with Dallas losing their best second-half receiver from last year. People have been suggesting taking Hernandez in the 4th. The thing I worry about is that Hernandez will be boom or bust, and I'd like consistency out of my 4/5 guy. Also, teams are going to be ready for the 2 tight end Pats this year, which probably means Belichick will surprise them by doing something else. The only thing I ever count on from NE is that Brady will be amazing. I'm not saying you're crazy for drafting Hernandez in the 5th (wait, I did say that, sorry), but I think he's a lot less of a lock than people think. If Belichick can follow up a Randy Moss season of 98/1493/23! with 69/1008/11 (Brady hurt) and 83/1264/13, I don't see how anyone can every be confident in any Pats player other than the Golden Boy.
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Witten's value is another conversation, and I agree the 7th is way too low. As for the Patriots offense, I think you are being a bit irrational here. The Patriots were one of the best offenses last year - a good jump from everyone but GB, NO. You think it is logical for them to start making major changes? And how is it any more logical for defenses to "figure out" the two TE offense? You think people can some how slow down Hernandez and Gronkowski becuase they now - after two seasons - realize they will both be on the field at the same time? Moss and Welker were both consistant year to year (when healthy for the Patriots. I don't think there is any reason to think that Gronk and Hernandez can't be as well.
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Personally, I think every year and every roster is different. If the Pats DIDN'T want to make changes and upgrades, then they would not have signed Lloyd, Gaffney, and Stallworth and brought back Branch. And they wouldn't have tried to add Anthony Gonzalez and at least kick the tires on Plaxico Burress. That tells me that they ARE NOT going to simply feed the TEs to the extent they did last year. If they wanted to play the same style and were happy with the results . . . then why do what they did for this year?As I see it, Brady will look for the open guy and not try to force the ball to anyone if they are not open. Anyone thinking that the Pats will simply do what they did last year and all the other guys will get crumbs and scraps are missing out on the big picture. part of why they used the guys they used so much last year is they really had no other options. Branch did ok to start but then got dinged. Ocho did next to nothing. Beyond that they had no one. So they relied on 2 TE and Welker. As I see it, all 3 of those guys will lose targets and the presence of so many weapons will hurt everyone in the receiving game except Brady, who should put up insane numbers this year. The mnre legit receiving options a team has, the harder it is to cover them all.
 
'David Yudkin said:
'Concept Coop said:
'Ryan99 said:
'Concept Coop said:
Crazy to draft a guy in the 5th, who outperformed that draft spot last season? In a PPR format, Hernandez is well worth that. In 14 games he put up 79/910/7. There is a lot of talk about what Lloyd will do to the production of the TEs. My opinion: nothing. Lloyd will be the 4th option because Welker, Gronkowski, and Hernandez all provide bigger mismatches. The Pats were set on bringing in another pass catching TE this off-season as insurance, because they plan to keep using the TEs as they have been. And why does it matter that Hernandez is "2nd fiddle" in an offense that uses both extensively? Didn't last year show us how silly that term is, when applied to these TEs? The Pats are even using Hernandez at RB - they are going to get him the ball.
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Witten put up 79/942/5 and is going almost in the 7th, with Dallas losing their best second-half receiver from last year. People have been suggesting taking Hernandez in the 4th. The thing I worry about is that Hernandez will be boom or bust, and I'd like consistency out of my 4/5 guy. Also, teams are going to be ready for the 2 tight end Pats this year, which probably means Belichick will surprise them by doing something else. The only thing I ever count on from NE is that Brady will be amazing. I'm not saying you're crazy for drafting Hernandez in the 5th (wait, I did say that, sorry), but I think he's a lot less of a lock than people think. If Belichick can follow up a Randy Moss season of 98/1493/23! with 69/1008/11 (Brady hurt) and 83/1264/13, I don't see how anyone can every be confident in any Pats player other than the Golden Boy.
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Witten's value is another conversation, and I agree the 7th is way too low. As for the Patriots offense, I think you are being a bit irrational here. The Patriots were one of the best offenses last year - a good jump from everyone but GB, NO. You think it is logical for them to start making major changes? And how is it any more logical for defenses to "figure out" the two TE offense? You think people can some how slow down Hernandez and Gronkowski becuase they now - after two seasons - realize they will both be on the field at the same time? Moss and Welker were both consistant year to year (when healthy for the Patriots. I don't think there is any reason to think that Gronk and Hernandez can't be as well.
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Personally, I think every year and every roster is different. If the Pats DIDN'T want to make changes and upgrades, then they would not have signed Lloyd, Gaffney, and Stallworth and brought back Branch. And they wouldn't have tried to add Anthony Gonzalez and at least kick the tires on Plaxico Burress. That tells me that they ARE NOT going to simply feed the TEs to the extent they did last year. If they wanted to play the same style and were happy with the results . . . then why do what they did for this year?As I see it, Brady will look for the open guy and not try to force the ball to anyone if they are not open. Anyone thinking that the Pats will simply do what they did last year and all the other guys will get crumbs and scraps are missing out on the big picture. part of why they used the guys they used so much last year is they really had no other options. Branch did ok to start but then got dinged. Ocho did next to nothing. Beyond that they had no one. So they relied on 2 TE and Welker. As I see it, all 3 of those guys will lose targets and the presence of so many weapons will hurt everyone in the receiving game except Brady, who should put up insane numbers this year. The mnre legit receiving options a team has, the harder it is to cover them all.
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How do you explain the Pats willingness to trade a draft pick for Kellen Winslow? If they were moving towards a traditional offense, why did they want a backup in the mold of Winslow? I think they wanted a guy that could split out - much like the other two often do - should an injury occur. And I am not suggesting they don't want to upgrade - of course they do. But upgrading is much different than revamping their offense; and using Gronk and Hernandez differently, or less, is a huge revamp to an offense not needing one. Why do you suggest the Patriots used Gronk and Hernandez becuase they didn't have other options? I think it is clear they used them becuase they - along with Wes Welker - created huge mismatches and playmaking targets for Tom Brady. The top 3 recieving options were on pace for 1,000 yards each - their top 2 with 1,300 each. What change is needed? What major revamp?All 3 of the Pats leading targets are better equipped to secure targets in the Patriots offense. Lloyd will provide a more fluid deep threat than they Pats had last year, but he won't be a major threat to the other 3.Lloyds only big seasons (1.5) have come on teams with little else in the way of options. He isn't a target hog, outside of that setting.
 
What about drafting in the 11 or 12 spot, passing on rbs like murray, mathews ect and going with Graham and Gronk as your first two picks? Especially when you get 1.5 per reception and can flex a tight end?

 
'nikshatnt said:
What about drafting in the 11 or 12 spot, passing on rbs like murray, mathews ect and going with Graham and Gronk as your first two picks? Especially when you get 1.5 per reception and can flex a tight end?
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It's too much risk, for my tastes. Drafting a flex option that high will leave you very thin elsewhere. You would still need to draft QB/RB/RB/WR/WR starters - all outside of the 1st two rounds.
 
'Concept Coop said:
How do you explain the Pats willingness to trade a draft pick for Kellen Winslow? If they were moving towards a traditional offense, why did they want a backup in the mold of Winslow? I think they wanted a guy that could split out - much like the other two often do - should an injury occur. And I am not suggesting they don't want to upgrade - of course they do. But upgrading is much different than revamping their offense; and using Gronk and Hernandez differently, or less, is a huge revamp to an offense not needing one. Why do you suggest the Patriots used Gronk and Hernandez becuase they didn't have other options? I think it is clear they used them becuase they - along with Wes Welker - created huge mismatches and playmaking targets for Tom Brady. The top 3 recieving options were on pace for 1,000 yards each - their top 2 with 1,300 each. What change is needed? What major revamp?All 3 of the Pats leading targets are better equipped to secure targets in the Patriots offense. Lloyd will provide a more fluid deep threat than they Pats had last year, but he won't be a major threat to the other 3.Lloyds only big seasons (1.5) have come on teams with little else in the way of options. He isn't a target hog, outside of that setting.
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BB has always been obsessed with TEs. Last year, they had no true tight end besides Gronk and that showed in the SB. Hernandez is much more a WR than a TE. Instead of Winslow, they signed Shiancoe, Fells, and Ballard. Part of that will be used as leverge against Hernandez in him re-signing with the Pats.I think people are really missing the boat on Lloyd. He has been a major contributor iin the McDaniels offense and that will likely continue in NE. He may not see the same number of targets as he did in DEN or STL, but he may not need to given that Brady is leaps and bounds better than any QB he's played with. I expect the Big 3 to become the Big 4 this year . . . and whoever the 5th guy on the field is at any time to see some relatively uncontested looks as well. Lloyd has been getting raves reviews as the best receiver in camp so far and has instant chemistry with Brady.Net result, compared to last year, I see Gronk, Hernandez, and Welker losing targets to account for Lloyd's arrival.
 
'David Yudkin said:
BB has always been obsessed with TEs. Last year, they had no true tight end besides Gronk and that showed in the SB. Hernandez is much more a WR than a TE. Instead of Winslow, they signed Shiancoe, Fells, and Ballard. Part of that will be used as leverge against Hernandez in him re-signing with the Pats.I think people are really missing the boat on Lloyd. He has been a major contributor iin the McDaniels offense and that will likely continue in NE. He may not see the same number of targets as he did in DEN or STL, but he may not need to given that Brady is leaps and bounds better than any QB he's played with. I expect the Big 3 to become the Big 4 this year . . . and whoever the 5th guy on the field is at any time to see some relatively uncontested looks as well. Lloyd has been getting raves reviews as the best receiver in camp so far and has instant chemistry with Brady.Net result, compared to last year, I see Gronk, Hernandez, and Welker losing targets to account for Lloyd's arrival.
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I am fine with him being more of a WR than a TE, so long as he is listed as "TE" in my leagues. I am fine with him being a hybrid, as long as that consists of WR skills in a TE's body. Lloyd was a major contributor in the McDaniels offense, in large part because he was one of the few healthy athletes on the roster capable of being an NFL contributor. Again, he is 4th in line. NE will use him and he is an upgrade over 85/Branch - but he will inhabit their roles. And, at 31, it's not impossible that he starts slowing down, either. To be cliché, I guess we'll see. From my point of view, I am looking to invest in the most talented and proven cogs in the offense. To me, that is Gronk, Welker, and Hernandez, in that order.
 
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