Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Unless he has off seasons surgery and then we realize he was hurt whole year, I'll never draft again.
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Jimmy just dropping balls not giving a ####.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
#### you Graham
Buffaloes
Footballguy
that one play the ball looked like it hit him in stride and he kept his hands at his hips. didn't even bother to make an attempt from what it looked like.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Steeler
Footballguy
was just coming in to post this. How ####ed up is it that we would be better of playing nobody than playing this ####### #####.LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
This guy is so soft. This guy single-handedly ruined a lot of people's playoffs this year.
Is he a black ginger?
Is he a black ginger?
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I don't think really anything he does the last two weeks changes the fact that he was overdrafted in likely every league.
His value is really around the 3/4 round and he likely went in the 1st in every league. I will be shocked if he is on any team of mine next year unless somehow he becomes a Packer or Patriot.
I still need him for one more week in our 2 week championship format.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Had him all year and he cost me. Played against him today and he cost me.
GoBirds
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
He's not overrated. He was just drafted by those who took him too early. He's still a beast. I'm guessing his shoulder injury was worse than what the team let be known. As a Saint fan I considered him with the 10th pick this year, but I passed due to how my team looked in mocks. TE shouldn't be taken in the first. Even Gronk.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think we'll see in the offseason that Jimmy is quite injured. I'm expecting a rotator cuff surgery or some such. Still the second best TE in the game behind Gronk.
shadyridr
Footballguy
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
And your view isn't biased? He's 1 of the top 2 TEs in the league who was hurt most of the second half of the season. How exactly is he overrated?
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Sorry you spent a 1st rounder on him.
GoBirds
Footballguy
looks like you know the answer......not worthy of where he was drafted or close to it.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I said that a few posts up. Neither he or Gronk are worth a first round pick. Maybe you'll figure out the difference in who to draft in the 1st round and what overrated is.
How can someone say he isn't overrated? Is he not rated as a 1st round pick or very early 2nd for pretty much every format?
Average PPR by Month week 1-16 (2011 to 2014):
September - 20.6
October - 14.7 (seems to be the month Graham is always getting injured making for short games)
November - 17.5
December - 14.0
I just don't see him worth the price tag next year and I will be forced to pass on him in likely every league as he will be over-drafted in my mind in the first 2 rounds.
Average PPR by Month week 1-16 (2011 to 2014):
September - 20.6
October - 14.7 (seems to be the month Graham is always getting injured making for short games)
November - 17.5
December - 14.0
I just don't see him worth the price tag next year and I will be forced to pass on him in likely every league as he will be over-drafted in my mind in the first 2 rounds.
CalBear
Footballguy
Gronkowski is #9 with 97 VBD points (probably #10 after Monday Night, Demaryius Thomas); he absolutely was worth a first-round pick. He's provided more value than Dez Bryant, Aaron Rodgers, or Jamaal Charles.
Jimmy Graham is currently #25 with 52 VBD points, which isn't great for a first-round pick but is actually better than most. He's provided more value than 6 players taken in the first round (McCoy, Charles, Peterson, C.Johnson, Manning, AJ Green), so he's an above-average first-round pick, even with the injury. The only better first-round picks were Forte, Lacy, Bryant, Rogers, and possibly Thomas.
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Overrated: "have a higher opinion of (someone or something) than is deserved."
He is overrated - people have a higher opinion of where he should be drafted than deserved:
NFL.com - 1st round - http://fantasy.nfl.com/research/rankings?leagueId=0&statType=draftStats
ESPN - 1st round - http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/page/FFLranks14top300/2014-fantasy-football-rankings-preseason-top-300
CBS - 1st round - http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/rankings/points-per-reception/yearly
Yahoo - 1st round - http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2014-fantasy-rankings--top-150-204748821.html
FootballGuys - 1st round - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/draftlist.php?t=1&ppr=0&viewpos=all
MyFantasyLeague ADP - 1st round - http://football.myfantasyleague.com/2014/adp
Do you think he is one of the 10 best players? Doesn't sound like it from your post so hence that means he is overrated as he is rated pretty much across the board as a 1st round pick.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Wow someone doesn't understand what overrated means.
Oh let me guess you got him in the 4th round you shark you?
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I understand what overrated is. I stand by my comment that he isn't. I also stand by my comment that he isn't worth a 1st rounder. I don't use other peoples rankings. I had the chance to take him @ 10 in my $$ league this year. I took Dez instead. JG went right after my pick. Unless Jeremy Hill scores 36 tonight I take the championship with the best record and total point in the league (Dez, Julio, Leveon were my first 3 picks). I will never take a TE, even Gronk, or QB with my 1st pick. I have seen that I never like the way my teams turn out.
I do have Jimmy in both of my dynasty leagues. Got him with my 5th round rookie pick in each when he came into the league. :sharkmove:
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I don't know how to say this without being a Richard but since when is overrated, underrated, busts, and breakouts based off SproutDaddy's rankings? The whole concept of a discussion on if someone was overrated is based on the general consensus of fantasy experts.
For instance one player I thought was overrated was Brandon Marshall and that is the reason I did not take him in a single draft. My rankings had him down in the 4th round. When I talk about him being overrated I am talking about him from the perspective of the general consensus rankings not my own personal views.
Faust
MVP
Jimmy Graham: 'A pretty good year for other people is a bad year for me'
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24917963/jimmy-graham-a-pretty-good-year-for-other-people-is-a-bad-year-for-me
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24917963/jimmy-graham-a-pretty-good-year-for-other-people-is-a-bad-year-for-me
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
I think his injury is the biggest factor as to why the Saints missed the playoffs. He couldn't take over and dominate games and he dropped a lot of balls that he normally would catch routinely. That and the fact that the Saints had Rob Ryan running the defense. Will people stop hiring him already, he is not his brother.
lod01
Footballguy
I expected the off-season procedure. A less valuable (to his team) TE probably would have been put on IR. Now let's not wait until June to do this procedure.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
I would IR him now since the season is over for the Saints and all thats left is a meaningless game with a bad team.
jeaton6
Footballguy
Brees is the biggest stat whore I've ever seen. That's not gonna happen.
Faust
MVP
Jimmy Graham on injury: 'A battle every game'
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000449555/article/jimmy-graham-on-injury-a-battle-every-game
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000449555/article/jimmy-graham-on-injury-a-battle-every-game
Faust
MVP
Saints need better health, bigger impact from Jimmy Graham:
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/12733/saints-need-better-health-bigger-impact-from-jimmy-graham
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/12733/saints-need-better-health-bigger-impact-from-jimmy-graham
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
That looks like pretty solid production considering how often RBs suck and get injured also. Graham in the 1st round this year woulda been better than quite a few guys.
