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It's cool, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some larger point.
Agree with this all around.
there are two different arguments...austin's greater college success than ginn doesn't guarantee success... the point was, ginn's lack of productivity should have been a red flag... and it was... it probably didn't escape your attention that many people called ginn a reach... i'm not sure if i heard any scouts say that about austin (maybe the draft countdown guy)... quite the opposite, there was a near unanimous consensus that austin was the most explosive skill position weapon in his class (was that the case with ginn?)... observers like mayock and mcshay have said he might be the quickest prospect they have ever scouted...
, and austin's combined 1,932 receiving/rushing yards were smoked by bailey's 1,622 receiving yards (plus 13 rushing)... only on TDs is your point taken (25 to 15 combined)...
If you didnt know he was a RB in high schoolI am excited to see how often they run the ball with Austin (even if it isn't much). What he truly loves to do.
i think austin is being drafted as a WR3...it is possible austin and goodwin will both be third best receiving options on their respective team...
Yup I was reading about that. I just found it interesting how highly he was ranked as a RB also considering they have many criteria in their ratings that are not really strong suits of his. He was still rated very close to even the top RB prospects from that recruiting class.If you didnt know he was a RB in high schoolI am excited to see how often they run the ball with Austin (even if it isn't much). What he truly loves to do.
In the link there is a 7 minute or so podcast interview with Austin talking about how he always wanted to be a RB.
Maybe not uncoverable by top CB's or double teams, but they have a couple mis-match possibilites.
People need to remember, the Rams COULD have drafted RG3. They knew they had a good QB in Bradford. As a Skins fan, I am so glad they moved the pick, we got a franchise super star, but the Rams are looking pretty good for the future too!
Maybe long-term. But this year, he'll be the team's fifth WR and hardly get on the field.
Respectfully disagree. I see both players being used almost identically by their respective teams as all purpose monsters.
One of the biggest trades in NFL history...and both teams benefited greatly. A thing of beauty.
Exactly this. As a Rams fan, I find it funny when 'Skins fans spout off about how they fleeced us. It's possible for a trade to be a win/win. Whether the Rams did well in the trade has less to do with the picks they got as it is their evaluation of Bradford being a viable franchise QB.
me, too... though admittedly I don't follow BUF as closely as some other teams...
don't expect this to happen, but hypothetically, if bradford were to play well enough without becoming a star, several of other trade components become pro bowlers, and STL wins the next three super bowls, most would say it was a succesful trade for the rams...they added a LOT of players through the trade (in some cases by additional trade downs being parlayed into even more picks)... some of those picks appear to have wisely spent, like brockers, jenkins, ogletree (and they still have 2014 1st as you noted)... jury still out on pead...
expected to be punt returner...kick returner still being hashed out (about three competing, pead keeps fumbling), PROBABLY not austin, perhaps he could be used selectively in this capacity, if rams need a big play?
I think it was. The Hershel Walker deal was intentionally bad because Mike Lynn was leaving management of the team at that time. Jerry Burns the HC of the Vikings at this time did not want Walker. He was still sending the plays in with a RB every down which is the way they communicated plays to the QB at that time before installing communications in the QB helmet. Point being the Vikings purposefully had a 4RB rotation for this purpose as well as other parts of their game plan.
Bills fan here. If Goodwin is third on the team in receptions at the season's end, I'll be surprised. Johnson, Spiller, and Woods will be ahead of him. Plus the Bills are breaking in a rookie QB and a new offense while the Bradford knows the ropes and has been in this offense for a year already.
I do think the comparison of Goodwin is worth considering from a dynasty value stand point.
For further context go to the thread. This is only the draftable players. The rest I consider to be on watch list.
)... i think it is with austin... i think he has demonstrably outstanding hands... he didn't run anything resembling complete NFL route trees in the air raid passing attack at west virginia, however, i have seen him run short and intermediate as well as deep routes... i've seen goodwin blow by CBs with world class speed, but austin could be more versatile in his ability to be elusive in the middle of the field, in close quarters, with make-you-miss-in-a-phonebooth ability...
IIRC Honey Badger did pretty well against him in their one college meeting and some have suggested in AZ that they might have Mathieu cover Austin one on all over the field
JMHO here but I think Goodwin was terribly underutilized in college. I don't think his lateral elusiveness is on par with Austin but I do think he's as, if not more explosive and I think his ball skills are as good. The guy can catch the football. Doug Marrone made some revealing comments about how he sees Goodwin as a comparable talent to Austin. I think the Bills reached a round or two early for Goodwin relative to media consensus because Marrone is high on him. I also think they're going to use Goodson exactly like the Rams will use Austin. KR/PR, slot WR, bubble screens, reverses, wheel routes... Line him up all over looking for mismatches.good point about goodwin's longer term, bigger payoff horizon being "baked in", he has cheaper acquisition cost...
i don't have him in same tier as wheaton or woods (more complete receivers, in my book)...
definitely not austin...
it isn't just about pedigree or opportunity...
goodwin was used as more of a strictly one dimensional deep threat in college...
MAYBE he can become a more complete WR, and develop a more well rounded game?
but to me that isn't a given (not to be confused with givens
but if goodwin is a close approximation of austin (which i am sceptical of, for pedigree, opportunity and scouting reasons), no question he will represent far better value, and will be a coup for his owners...
i might go further and say, even if he isn't a close approximation of austin, he could still represent pretty good value in dynasty...
maybe i am having a hard time looking past my bias... i can't recall a lot of sprinters (long jumper, too, in his case) with limited use in college who hit it big...
who would his comp be? that might be instructive... who with either similar physical tools, skill set or college resume has had a high level of NFL success?
jacoby ford kind of comes to mind for me, as a somewhat undersized sprinter... there was a time i thought he might develop into more with OAK, but hard to disentangle possible injury causes for his inability to break out in recent years, or what would be a more damaging indictment, chalked up to more fundamental flaws in his overall game?
The point is that Sproles does his damage in a jack of all trades role, not an every down back.
