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This is similar to a ceiling projection for possible rushing attempts for Austin in some of the projections I have done.
This is just silly. Sproles played RB, with 300 carries and 2000 yards in a single season in college. Not only that, sproles is thicker being both heavier and shorter. If you want to consider his carries, look at Cobb. (hint: 10). Or harvin as a rookie (hint: 15).
As someone who grew up in a UT family, then married into a family of UT diehards, I've watched/forced to watch a lot of UT games, and Goodwin was absolutely under utilized. The play calling he went through was awful, and he never had a chance to show what he can do with the likes of Garrett Gilbert and David Ash throwing to him.JMHO here but I think Goodwin was terribly underutilized in college. I don't think his lateral elusiveness is on par with Austin but I do think he's as, if not more explosive and I think his ball skills are as good. The guy can catch the football. Doug Marrone made some revealing comments about how he sees Goodwin as a comparable talent to Austin. I think the Bills reached a round or two early for Goodwin relative to media consensus because Marrone is high on him. I also think they're going to use Goodson exactly like the Rams will use Austin. KR/PR, slot WR, bubble screens, reverses, wheel routes... Line him up all over looking for mismatches.good point about goodwin's longer term, bigger payoff horizon being "baked in", he has cheaper acquisition cost...
i don't have him in same tier as wheaton or woods (more complete receivers, in my book)...
definitely not austin...
it isn't just about pedigree or opportunity...
goodwin was used as more of a strictly one dimensional deep threat in college...
MAYBE he can become a more complete WR, and develop a more well rounded game?
but to me that isn't a given (not to be confused with givens)... i think it is with austin... i think he has demonstrably outstanding hands... he didn't run anything resembling complete NFL route trees in the air raid passing attack at west virginia, however, i have seen him run short and intermediate as well as deep routes... i've seen goodwin blow by CBs with world class speed, but austin could be more versatile in his ability to be elusive in the middle of the field, in close quarters, with make-you-miss-in-a-phonebooth ability...
but if goodwin is a close approximation of austin (which i am sceptical of, for pedigree, opportunity and scouting reasons), no question he will represent far better value, and will be a coup for his owners...
i might go further and say, even if he isn't a close approximation of austin, he could still represent pretty good value in dynasty...
maybe i am having a hard time looking past my bias... i can't recall a lot of sprinters (long jumper, too, in his case) with limited use in college who hit it big...
who would his comp be? that might be instructive... who with either similar physical tools, skill set or college resume has had a high level of NFL success?
jacoby ford kind of comes to mind for me, as a somewhat undersized sprinter... there was a time i thought he might develop into more with OAK, but hard to disentangle possible injury causes for his inability to break out in recent years, or what would be a more damaging indictment, chalked up to more fundamental flaws in his overall game?
The main difference is I think Austin will see more offensive snaps to start the season, but that dynamic can and will shift fast after Goodson makes a couple splashy plays and will also be offset somewhat by Buffalo's up tempo style. My spidey sense is blaring the horns that this guy is Marrone's secrect weapon. We'll find out tomorrow.
Not to get off topic but I suspect Cobb's carries only increased because the lack of production in the typical running game and the Oline problems. If those prove to be problems with the Rams I could see Austin's carries increase later in the season
In case people are suspicious of fans of a program saying "x player is really good", I am not a fan of Goodwin or Texas but I thought he was horribly used last year as well.As someone who grew up in a UT family, then married into a family of UT diehards, I've watched/forced to watch a lot of UT games, and Goodwin was absolutely under utilized. The play calling he went through was awful, and he never had a chance to show what he can do with the likes of Garrett Gilbert and David Ash throwing to him.JMHO here but I think Goodwin was terribly underutilized in college. I don't think his lateral elusiveness is on par with Austin but I do think he's as, if not more explosive and I think his ball skills are as good. The guy can catch the football. Doug Marrone made some revealing comments about how he sees Goodwin as a comparable talent to Austin. I think the Bills reached a round or two early for Goodwin relative to media consensus because Marrone is high on him. I also think they're going to use Goodson exactly like the Rams will use Austin. KR/PR, slot WR, bubble screens, reverses, wheel routes... Line him up all over looking for mismatches.good point about goodwin's longer term, bigger payoff horizon being "baked in", he has cheaper acquisition cost...
i don't have him in same tier as wheaton or woods (more complete receivers, in my book)...
definitely not austin...
it isn't just about pedigree or opportunity...
goodwin was used as more of a strictly one dimensional deep threat in college...
MAYBE he can become a more complete WR, and develop a more well rounded game?
but to me that isn't a given (not to be confused with givens
but if goodwin is a close approximation of austin (which i am sceptical of, for pedigree, opportunity and scouting reasons), no question he will represent far better value, and will be a coup for his owners...
i might go further and say, even if he isn't a close approximation of austin, he could still represent pretty good value in dynasty...
maybe i am having a hard time looking past my bias... i can't recall a lot of sprinters (long jumper, too, in his case) with limited use in college who hit it big...
who would his comp be? that might be instructive... who with either similar physical tools, skill set or college resume has had a high level of NFL success?
jacoby ford kind of comes to mind for me, as a somewhat undersized sprinter... there was a time i thought he might develop into more with OAK, but hard to disentangle possible injury causes for his inability to break out in recent years, or what would be a more damaging indictment, chalked up to more fundamental flaws in his overall game?
The main difference is I think Austin will see more offensive snaps to start the season, but that dynamic can and will shift fast after Goodson makes a couple splashy plays and will also be offset somewhat by Buffalo's up tempo style. My spidey sense is blaring the horns that this guy is Marrone's secrect weapon. We'll find out tomorrow.
If healthy, I expect a nice little bump from rushing yardage totals, too. Maybe another 150-200.
He's getting more action than a lot of people thought, Arizona is playing really good defense even if the score doesn't show it. They've been on top of him before he has time to make a move on every touch.
Right, an end-around isn't really what I had in mind when I was talking about going in motion. It's an effective way to shake up the coverage and get a head start off the line when you're running a route. An end-around is a generally antiquated and unimaginitive way to get the ball into your WR'a hands.
Agreed. All the "we haven't shown our hand yet" stuff looks like bull#### to me. Just another slot guy, but looked good doing his thing. We'll see if they kick up the creativity at all.
Thats all hes gonna be good at is bubble screens and gadget plays. Sure he'll bust one every once in awhile to increase his YPC but theres gonna be a whole lotta games like Sunday with a 6.83 YPC.he was very involved in the offense. Not sure anyone can complain after week 1. Lets just hope they dial up more big plays later in the season.
I don't believe he was involved in any bubble screens or gadget plays, actually. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about.shadyridr said:Thats all hes gonna be good at is bubble screens and gadget plays. Sure he'll bust one every once in awhile to increase his YPC but theres gonna be a whole lotta games like Sunday with a 6.83 YPC.Bucky86 said:
LMAO relax. I didnt watch the game. Im trying to figure out how a guy with a 6.83 YPC isnt involved in any screen passes? By definition, the furthest his passes could have traveled was 6 yards. And I did see he was involved in a toss back reverse which he lost a yard. I consider that a gadgetI don't believe he was involved in any bubble screens or gadget plays, actually. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about.shadyridr said:Thats all hes gonna be good at is bubble screens and gadget plays. Sure he'll bust one every once in awhile to increase his YPC but theres gonna be a whole lotta games like Sunday with a 6.83 YPC.Bucky86 said:
Relax? I'm just correcting your misconceptions, since you didn't see the game. I've never heard a reverse referred to as a gadget play, but alright.LMAO relax. I didnt watch the game. Im trying to figure out how a guy with a 6.83 YPC isnt involved in any screen passes? By definition, the furthest his passes could have traveled was 6 yards. And I did see he was involved in a toss back reverse which he lost a yard. I consider that a gadgetI don't believe he was involved in any bubble screens or gadget plays, actually. So I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about.shadyridr said:Thats all hes gonna be good at is bubble screens and gadget plays. Sure he'll bust one every once in awhile to increase his YPC but theres gonna be a whole lotta games like Sunday with a 6.83 YPC.Bucky86 said:
This.
I know it's off-topic, but Cook may be the biggest mis-match in the league. There isn't a linebacker or safety that can dream of matching him in speed. Bradford would wait, let him outrun the defender, and then throw him the ball. As a Titans fan it makes me sick, as he was completely mis-used in Tennessee.
I hate to tell you, but your head coach is Jeff Fisher. He ran Daryl Richardson 20 times, when other coaches around the league were giving up on the run early. Fisher will run the ball, and the OC will too.
And when there isn't a Patrick Peterson locking down Givens and he is available to add even more diversity to the offense, there will be all sorts of "pick your poison" to this team.
de-nile, it ain't just a river in Egypt, something tells me your an ownerflysack said:
It is a pretty reasonable statement considering that Wilson and Miller barely had over 70 rushing attempts last season. There was no evidence to justify them being valued as highly as they were around here. Similarly with Austin who is a rookie and will likely not be as useful of a player in 2013 as he will be in 2014 and forward.
It definitely wasnt a standard reverse
