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I have heard he has some sort of a knee injury. I do not know the extent of it. Obviously it is not an injury that prevents him from playing or practicing. I have not really noticed any hitch steps or stuff like that when watching him play. But perhaps there is something to this that is making Hill less comfortable running the ball.
Because Gio can't withstand 25+ touches a game and the Bengals are winning doing what they're doing now.
Just look at last year, Gio just can't stand up to that kind of punishment and it will affect his performance. He was averaging like 4.0 yards per carry with that kind of work load and then got hurt. This is the role he is built for, average about 12 to 15 touches a game, he will give you a higher YPC that way and he is a major asset in the passing game.T with T said:
This isRenegadeRoy said:
is there something magical about touch 25 that causes Bernard to turn into a pumpkin and get injured?
I forgot about that, his knee got twisted (which may have been why he fumbled in the first place).
Because the depth chart is irrelevant. Who cares which guy in the nominal starter?T with T said:
Every single post I bumped was a criticism of my posts. Every single one. I didn't come back to poke fun at your bad calls. I watched you guys tap dance and declare victory while I stayed true to my opinion. If you're embarrassed that you were mocking me for liking freeman over hill, that's on you.
Here's me quoting your post, where you mocked me for liking freeman over hill and told me how I was wrong by (ALL CAPS) a couple orders of magnitude. I made a post which is almost entirely correct, and you couldn't respond to it with respect. You had to call it irrelevant. Wait, no, monstrously irrelevant.Less than 1%And all of that will be monstrously irrelevant if Hill's situation (carry distribution in the RBBC) doesn't remain EXACTLY the same next year as it was in the first 13 games of his rookie season, with no possibility of an uptick in usage if he proves the better pure runner to Bernard (who can get more receptions as a touch equalizer).
* If you were talking about Freeman, he has less than a 1% chance of ever being a 1,600 yard rusher. That was close, though, only off by about a COUPLE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.
Here you are, looking for negative things. Again. Because that's what you do. You constantly attack people who disagree. Shameful.
This was the "monstrously irrelevant" post about freeman btw.
Yes!
Maybe you guys should got to Rotoworld and put Hill's name in the box in the upper right corner and hit "return". You'll then get all the news and latest updates you want. This is a message board where people have discussions and sometimes they take twist and turns and occasionally you'll see two people going back and forth on some disagreement they had. And then you'll see people that come in and whine about how they don't like what those people are talking about and ask for people to talk only about what they want to talk about - seems kind of selfish but so it goes. Sometimes these "back and forths" get a little personal and should probably be reigned back a bit, but sometimes there's actually good disucssion and different philosophies and strategies to be gleamed from them.
There is a difference between healthy debate and I told you so. Lastly, Rotoworld for quality information? Seriously? Lol.
What kind of touches they had in college doesn't matter. While some of those guys will play in the NFL most won't. Bernard's body could handle the punishment of college, not the NFL. Bernard also went to LSU, and I don't watch a lot of college football, I am pretty sure the they use multiple backs in there system. Well, not right now because they have that Fournette guy.This isRenegadeRoy said:
Bernard averaged 23 touches/game in college and exceeded 25 touches in a game 9 out of 23 games played.
Bernard has only had over 25 touches in an NFL game once. Week 2 of 2014 where Bernard had 27 rushing attempts 90 yards 1TD 5 receptions for 79 yards.
Jermey Hill averaged 15 touches/game in college and exceeded 25 touches in a game 5 out of 24 games played.
Hill has over 25 touches four times in the NFL. Those games were against Jacksonville, Saints, Cleveland and the Steelers. The first 3 were games where the Bengals blew the other team out. The Bengals lost the game to the Steelers in the last week of the 2014 season.
Buf best run stopper is supposed to be out for this game.
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you cut off the bolded when you quoted me. Just to make clear, I think it's fine to go back and highlight your good calls and discuss them more. It's good to look at what other people said at the time and understand the context. What I haven't done is gone back and looked for negative things to say about you. That's what you just spent over an hour of your weekend doing. When people asked us to stop arguing, I posted my thoughts on the game this weekend. You came back with more personal bickering.
You're welcome. Sorry to get the thread off track.
Read what you replied to again, slowly...then see your LOL "response" and try and see if it was warranted or applicable to what was actually written.
I don't think the size has anything to do with a players ability to maintain endurance and play at the same level after 20 touches as they did on the first touch.What kind of touches they had in college doesn't matter. While some of those guys will play in the NFL most won't. Bernard's body could handle the punishment of college, not the NFL. Bernard also went to LSU, and I don't watch a lot of college football, I am pretty sure the they use multiple backs in there system. Well, not right now because they have that Fournette guy.This isRenegadeRoy said:
Bernard averaged 23 touches/game in college and exceeded 25 touches in a game 9 out of 23 games played.
Bernard has only had over 25 touches in an NFL game once. Week 2 of 2014 where Bernard had 27 rushing attempts 90 yards 1TD 5 receptions for 79 yards.
Jermey Hill averaged 15 touches/game in college and exceeded 25 touches in a game 5 out of 24 games played.
Hill has over 25 touches four times in the NFL. Those games were against Jacksonville, Saints, Cleveland and the Steelers. The first 3 were games where the Bengals blew the other team out. The Bengals lost the game to the Steelers in the last week of the 2014 season.
Look at the size difference too.
Bernard 5'9 205
Hill 6'1 235
Bernard's body just can't take that kind of punishment, it doesn't mean he isn't a good player, he just isn't a every down player. Maybe Hill isn't either.
I think you misunderstand my tone. I was really thanking you. Lol.
How is it bad coaching? Bengals are 5-0. It obviously is better for them if hill comes online. Why give Gio 25 carries and run him into the ground if there is no need
You bring up Payton and Sanders as guys that are roughly the same size as him. They played in a different era, guys weren't as big back than. I will give you Forsett, but some guys can't take the punishment. Maybe Gio is one of them.
it's bad coaching when your FF player isn't getting enough run. NFL team win loss records are irrelevant.
in this thread.
