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Did something happen today? Yes he's probably 3rd behind gio and Mixon.
Garbage statement. I don't own the guy anywhere, but to say this shows that you sorely lack knowledge of the game.
He's at $12.1M right now. Another FT would put them at $14.5M, more than twice the next RB, and at that price they may as well go multi-year and get a discount for it. He'll also be nearly two years clean by that time if nothing in the interim, which clears him of the NFL Drug Policy escalations as well. If he has no behavioral/drug pop up I think they give him a full deal next year.
The only garbage is you thinking hill does ANYTHING on a football field better than mixon.Casting Couch said:
Have you seen Hill's TD numbers in the 3 years he's been in the league? Even if you threw out the fact that he was a good and productive RB in his rookie year, he still is one of, if not THE, most effective redzone running backs in the league in terms of scoring. That is why, unfortunately for Mixon owners this year, I don't think Hill will lose that particular job this year unless he starts fumbling again.
Read my post Craig, did I compare him to Mixon in anyway what-so-ever ?
Yeah, thats no a shark move. Nothing I hate more than hyperbole to defend a fantasy talking point. Is Hill the greatest? No, is he worthy of touching the ball multiple times for an NFL team in a football game? Yes. To say he shouldn't be rostered is a reach of major proportions.
It's actually possible that Hill does not dress on game-days if Mixon does beat him out for the starting job (which isn't a given of course). Assuming Gio is the preferred option to Hill due to his versatility and the Bengals only dress 4 RBs on game-day (which includes FB Ryan Hewitt and is a pretty common practice) it's likely that Cedric Peerman could be the active RB3 since he plays on special teams and Hill does not. They may dress 5 RBs though.
There's a difference between being on the team's roster and being on their game-day active roster. I posted above why Hill just may not be active every week, and I think it's a valid position to take.
I do not think its valid. Maybe if he is hurt sure, but not letting him on the active roster because of a rookie and a guy coming back from a late knee injury is not a valid position to take.
If they don't dress hill and he's healthy they'll almost certainly trade him. Even if it's for a late, contingent pick.
That's ok - not everyone can know how roster construction works.I do not think its valid. Maybe if he is hurt sure, but not letting him on the active roster because of a rookie and a guy coming back from a late knee injury is not a valid position to take.
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If they consider themselves a contender, he's cheap (rookie contract) insurance in case Mixon or Gio get hurt. I'm also not ruling out the possibility that he earns a major role in the offense either. I just don't think it's ludicrous that he could end up inactive some games.
They spent a second round pick on that rookie. Is your position, that they aren't going to use him? I'm not ruling out the possibility that he just doesn't perform well enough to earn a significant role, but it's a pretty disingenuous position to try and act like a rookie couldn't keep a mediocre veteran off the field as if that has never happened.I do not think its valid. Maybe if he is hurt sure, but not letting him on the active roster because of a rookie and a guy coming back from a late knee injury is not a valid position to take.
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Interesting side note, they were all selected in the second round of their respective drafts
The issue the Bengals might face if they got to a point of wanting to trade him is that what he brings back in return won't even amount to what they might get as a compensatory pick. And he's for sure got value to the team as a cheap durable proven option at a minimum.
I'm of the opinion he'll enter camp with his role as we've known it as his to lose so to speak and lose it he may but while Mixon is vastly more talented but he's not getting anointed, he'll have to take the job. Having said that I don't think it's ludicrous at all to think that if all 3 RB's are healthy and Mixon has officially passed Hill on the depth chart that Hill would be game day inactive because he does not offer much on special teams.
Fair point. Forget about the late pick, but if a team like the Raiders need a rb (ie lynch ineffective or injured) and Hill isn't contibruting, I think they trade him. But then I'm not including them as a contender right now. (I could easily be wrong about that)
While possibly true, that comp pick wouldn't be until 2019. I don't think Marvin gives a rat's ### about two years from now when he may no longer be coaching the Bengals. If they keep him, it's as insurance against injury. They could also trade him for help elsewhere. The last thing they are thinking about though is a comp pick.
LOL, I aint got time to waste on people trying to deflect the conversation. It goes to "do I think they wont play Mixon" because I say that "Hill will not be deactivated." Are you a politician with all that spin? They spent a second on Hill and Bernard, but whatever.
You are correct, guess thats why you think they will deactivate a RB because Mixon is all they need.
Marvin is not the GM. Mike Brown cares about the future and if he's not the one calling 100% of the shot's it Duke Tobin. Neither of those are people worried about job security. I don't think any team, even one with GM/coach with little job security, would say the last thing they are thinking about is a comp pick, I think it absolutely factors into the decision making process. And in cases like this yes you have to wait an extra year for the pick versus a trade but you also get the services of the player for 2017.
As a Hill dynasty owner, I have not completely given up on Hill, and I think he is a (dynasty) buy low at the moment. Hill has looked pedestrian and is running without the power and fire he exhibited as a rookie; nonetheless, I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that Mixon renders Hill worthless. Given the likely deficiencies on the Cincinnati Offensive line, it will be imperative that the RB be able to make key reads and blitz pickups, and that is an area rookies often falter. If Hill can regain his confidence and get back to running downhill, he should at least carve out a role as a short-yardage and goal-line back, and last time I checked, fantasy leagues award points for those TDs. While his yardage totals will not approach those of 2014, his TD totals may not suffer much, and he has been good for 9-11 TDs per season.
Hill had a lowkey decent year in 2016. He averaged more standard ppg than Crowell. He finished as the kind of last tier of startable RBs. He has competition now with Mixon, but rookies don't always jump right in, even at RB. Gio had the knee injury. For the round 10-12 price Hill is going, he's a guy I will likely end up drafting in a few spots.
I did a break down of how he compiled stats, got into heated debates ... bottom line a large percentage of his stats were compiled against some of the worst defenses in the league under ideal conditions for him. He has nor ever will show us anything past that imo.
Its kinda crazy to me how many people seem to be trying to kick dirt on this guy's grave already. He looked great in his rookie year. Not as good the last two but (like you said) not a complete stiff, either. While he's certainly been TD dependent at times, he's got 29 in 47 career games (including at least one long rushing TD each season to his credit (74, 38, 85)). He's 24, and I think he's got more ability than he's currently being given credit for. I know...Mixon. But I don't think Hill is as dead as a lot of people seem to think.
IIRC, David Johnson and Zeke Elliot had two of the most favorable schedules for RB last season. Players typically do better when they are playing the lesser defenses and worse when they consistently face tough ones. No real revelation there. That is why we take SOS into consideration, isn't it?
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